"Book readers" - Season 8 - Speculation thread - Spoilers on thread from 15th Apr

Nody

Preempting the upcoming season by including some highlights from the charter.

This is ONLY about the last season! Information from any other non book source are allowed to be posted with SPOILER tags. Such information has to directly relate to the season however and be clearly marked as for example "DVD lore from Season X relating to matter Y"

Lore and conclusions go here

13th April
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Kunkka

Most of my predictions for this season have gone down the toilet , so not hoping for much here but here's a few!

Here is one wild one(I've read it somewhere but added to it)..... Bran is or is partly the Night King. When he was in the flashback at his creation he got stuck in the guy's body and now he is part of him. Hence why the Night King knew a dragon would come and why he's waited for so long as the Three Eyed Raven angle sees everything. The fact the show have mostly shown the Night King when Bran is in Warg mode gives me hope it could be true.

Jaime will end up with Brienne, but Jaime will kill Cersei at some stage near the end. Poor auld Tormond and Beric will be the first deaths in the final season.

The Hound will hook up with Sansa...but will also end up killing his brother after the great war.

We will see a flashback of the Battle of the Trident around the time Jon finds out about his parentage.

Brego888

Jon (Aegon) dies in the end. His son which is now in Danys belly is the prince that was promised.

Wailin

Tyrion betrays (or has betrayed) Danaerys. Reason for the strange look on his face at the end.

Dave_The_Sheep

Kunkka wrote: »

Here is one wild one(I've read it somewhere but added to it).....

Bran is or is partly the Night King. When he was in the flashback at his creation he got stuck in the guy's body and now he is part of him. Hence why the Night King knew a dragon would come and why he's waited for so long as the Three Eyed Raven angle sees everything. The fact the show have mostly shown the Night King when Bran is in Warg mode

gives me hope it could be true.

I've read and I'm in complete agreement with this theory.

I usually hate time travel in plots, but it might work properly here.

Wailin wrote: »

Tyrion betrays (or has betrayed) Danaerys. Reason for the strange look on his face at the end.

Maybe. If it happens, it'll be Dany getting pissy about it while Tyrion doesn't see it as a betrayal at all - similar to Cersei accusing Jamie of it. I presume it involves her potential child.

Daith

So a few theories

First half of the season will be the battle of the Dawn centred around the North.

First ep will feature a mirror of the first ever episode where the Queen/King meets the Lady/Lord of Winterfell

Bran is revealed to be the Night King.
Dany gives birth
Dany and Drogon die while battling the Night King and Viserion
Jon/Rhaegal defeat the Night King

Skirmishes around the North, Meera reappears for a scene


Sansa is kidnapped and taken to Kings Landing as a hostage to prevent the North attacking the South

Maybe Arya/Cersei or Hound/Mountain

heebusjeebus

Kunkka wrote: »

Here is one wild one(I've read it somewhere but added to it)..... Bran is or is partly the Night King. When he was in the flashback at his creation he got stuck in the guy's body and now he is part of him. Hence why the Night King knew a dragon would come and why he's waited for so long as the Three Eyed Raven angle sees everything. The fact the show have mostly shown the Night King when Bran is in Warg mode gives me hope it could be true.

My thinking is that the Night King is/was a Stark, so has a similar ability to Bran.
He was able to see that Jon had made an alliance with Dany.
It would explain why he waiting it out on the lake, knowing that the dragons were on the way.

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Dany will dump Jon in the first episode.
Poor Dany, she's used to experienced men like Daario and Drogo.
Ont night with awkward Jon is enough for her. Dont forget, he's had a few goes on Ygriette, and then nothing for years. He fails to satisfy her, and she leaves him for Tyrion, a man of experience

Conall Cernach

Cersei will try to attack the North while they are busy with the White Walkers.
Howland Reed tries to prevent the southern army getting into the North. He is killed but Meera survives.
Jamie will kill Cersei and then die tragically.
Hound and Mountain battle it out.
Melisandre returns and confirms Jon as Azor Ahai. He fights the NK from aboard a dragon. Both die.
Beric dies in the final battle. Tormund is found at the end by Brienne atop a pile of the dead, grinning like a maniac.
Bran raises the wall again and somehow wargs into it in case the threat ever returns.
Arya and Gendry team up. He is legitimised by Dany and granted the Stormlands.
Sansa remains Lady of Winterfell.
Sam is released from his NW oath and becomes lord of Horn Hill.
Dany gives birth to a son who will rule in both Westeros and Essos.

leggo

Said it before but I'll say it here:

Dany and Jon die in the end, fighting off the White Walkers successfully (the bittersweet ending GRRM speaks of), having claimed the Iron Throne already (maybe via Jaime taking out Cersei). They set in place a succession plan for democratically elected leaders following them, which Tyrion wins. Tyrion ends the show on the Iron Throne with Varys as his hand.

Reason being: it's really cheap if Dany and Jon have a baby after all the talk of Dany not being able to, it sells that whole aspect out completely. "Remember we established that early on as a major plot point for Dany? Yeah it was just BS..." Dany and Jon are heroes, but they aren't rulers. Dany couldn't keep the peace in Mereen and Jon needs Sansa to keep the Northern lords in line. Tyrion, though, it's been long established is quite good at ruling (war? Notsomuch). He fulfills Dany's break the wheel pledge as the series ends with Sam writing ASOIAF.

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HandsomeBob

Daith wrote: »

Sansa is kidnapped and taken to Kings Landing as a hostage to prevent the North attacking the South

Get the **** out of here Sansa is done with all of that. :P

The show seems to be playing it straighter than the books, so I'd like to think Jon and Dany will be King and Queen in the end. If one of them dies I hate to say it will be Jon, in the bitter he was saved by the Lord of Light to complete his ultimate purpose type of way.

Dany will carry his child and sit upon the throne, breaking the wheel by giving the 7 kingdoms greater autonomy. Sam will rule the South. Tyrion the West. Sansa the North. Not sure about the East. Jorah will be her new Hand.

Conall Cernach

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Get the **** out of here Sansa is done with all of that. :P

The show seems to be playing it straighter than the books, so I'd like to think Jon and Dany will be King and Queen in the end. If one of them dies I hate to say it will be Jon, in the bitter he was saved by the Lord of Light to complete his ultimate purpose type of way.

Dany will carry his child and sit upon the throne, breaking the wheel by giving the 7 kingdoms greater autonomy. Sam will rule the South. Tyrion the West. Sansa the North. Not sure about the East. Jorah will be her new Hand.

If the Night's Watch still exists at the end then perhaps Jorah will take the black and become Lord Commander.

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Daith

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Get the **** out of here Sansa is done with all of that. :P

She does reference how "safe" she is in Winterfell and if Cersei Lannister wants her as a slave, she'd have to come and get her.

HandsomeBob

What I mean is that Sansa has finally found her place after much trauma under the thumb of those who'd use her as a pawn. With 6 or 7 episodes left, I'd be unhappy to see her relegated to that of a pawn again at this stage.

Daith

HandsomeBob wrote: »

What I mean is that Sansa has finally found her place after much trauma under the thumb of those who'd use her as a pawn. With 6 or 7 episodes left, I'd be unhappy to see her relegated to that of a pawn again at this stage.

If you think this story has a happy ending, etc, etc.

I just think the show has been dropping anvils about this. I mean, I hope not but is she going to be sitting around Winterfell all season?

rossie1977

The original plan that GRRM had in 1993 was for Dany, Jon Snow, Bran, Arya and Tyrion to make it to the end of the story so that would assume Sansa is expendable in season 8 http://imgur.com/a/mrrK4

HandsomeBob

Sansa is expendable, and I wouldn't be surprised if she dies. I'm just saying making her a hostage of Cersei would be a step backwards.

Ms Doubtfire1

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Sansa is expendable, and I wouldn't be surprised if she dies. I'm just saying making her a hostage of Cersei would be a step backwards.

Sansa will die during the fight for winterfell me think once the walkers reach the stronghold.

duploelabs

Dario will turn up leading the golden company

Paddy Cow

rossie1977 wrote: »

The original plan that GRRM had in 1993 was for Dany, Jon Snow, Bran, Arya and Tyrion to make it to the end of the story so that would assume Sansa is expendable in season 8 http://imgur.com/a/mrrK4

I didn't read all that and stopped after he said it would be a trilogy. He has changed the story and number of books, a lot along the way. In the first book, they are all very young and apparently there was supposed to be a five year leap in the next book to age them up but that never happened. I read somewhere he also toyed with the idea of having Jon and Arya fall in love (yuk!).

Paddy Cow

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If the Night King is defeated, all the wights die and there is no longer any need for the Night's Watch, so Sam will be freed from his vows and can marry Gilly.

Paddy Cow

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Sansa will die during the fight for winterfell me think once the walkers reach the stronghold.

I think Sansa will end up as ruler of Westeros with Tyrion as her hand.

Tyrion has never actively sought power and when he had it as hand, he tried to improve the lives of the common people. Margery was loved by the poor but even she admitted it was a PR exercise. Sansa dreamed of being queen when she was a child but she has matured now and has no ambition to rule for the sake of power. Tyrion and Sansa both have the political smarts to be good rulers.

Jon is like Ned - a very capable commander but he doesn't have what it takes to survive in the political world and that would make him a disaster as a ruler.

Dany is irritating as fcuk. She harps on about her claim to the throne and I can't wait for her to find out that Jon's claim supersedes hers :pac: Tyrion had a very good point when he tried to talk to her about succession and she shot him down. What is the point in her taking the throne if the line ends with her?

I don't think Dany would be a particularly good ruler. She is obsessed with gaining the Iron Throne but has absolutely no plan what to do once she gets it. She had the same attitude in Essos. She sacked cities by force and then had no idea how to rule them afterwards. She has no real understanding of life in Westeros and without her dragons to put the fear of God in the other houses she would find it hard to keep her throne. In her mind she is the rightful heir but to others, she is a foreign invader with unsullied and dothraki savages.

Tyrion talks about breaking the wheel and maybe that means breaking the Targaryen rule once and for all. If even one of her dragons survives the fight against the NK and she returns to sit on the Iron Throne, then the wheel hasn't been broken, it has simply come full circle.

Paddy Cow

They also better do something about what the unsullied and dothraki are wearing. They are not dressed for winter and with 8,000 unsullied and 40,000 dothraki, that's a lot of people to kit out. Stannis lost the battle of Winterfell because of bad weather. His men and horses were dying from the cold and he ended up burning his daughter to try and appease the God's. His men weren't as badly dressed as Dany's army and yet we haven't heard it mentioned at all?????

HandsomeBob

Paddy Cow wrote: »

If the Night King is defeated, all the wights die and there is no longer any need for the Night's Watch, so Sam will be freed from his vows and can marry Gilly.

Wasn't the Night King defeated once before by Joramun and Brandon the Breaker? History would suggest that he'll come again, so there's still a need to repair the wall and for the Night's Watch.

Daith

Paddy Cow wrote: »

They also better do something about what the unsullied and dothraki are wearing. They are not dressed for winter and with 8,000 unsullied and 40,000 dothraki, that's a lot of people to kit out. Stannis lost the battle of Winterfell because of bad weather. His men and horses were dying from the cold and he ended up burning his daughter to try and appease the God's. His men weren't as badly dressed as Dany's army and yet we haven't heard it mentioned at all?????

Sansa will have made clothes for them in no times. It's her special power.

I think the Dothraki will be annihilated because of the cold. How good are horses in that weather? Have a feeling the Unsullied will do better.

podgemonster

I think the entire North will be lost early on next season and our heroes will be forced to retreat South and make there stand somewhere else in the other 6 Kingdoms, the Riverlands may be best as wights can't swim.

This will also increase the likelihood of a backstab from Cersei during or immediately after the battle.

We have seen the actions of the Night King have been methodical and without fault so far. Bran's story arc is key to his demise I feel his ability to link the past and present in the amazing Hold the Door episode will be revisited.

The threat from the Night King will be disposed of in Ep 5 and Ep 6 will be pure Game of Thrones "peace talks". Episode one to two will focus on Theon for awhile to close off the Iron Islands storyline, Euron is a now a minor villain and will be side-lined to give a bit of light to the darkness of the early episodes where the Night King makes wreck.

Ultimately I cannot see the Lannister twins surviving. I think Jorah will give his lift to save Dany or Jon. Another Stark is surely for the block and I cannot see the point of a 3ER once the NK is toast. The ending should be bitter sweet.

Paddy Cow

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Wasn't the Night King defeated once before by Joramun and Brandon the Breaker? History would suggest that he'll come again, so there's still a need to repair the wall and for the Night's Watch.

He wasn't fully defeated or he'd be dead now. He was pushed back and the Children of the Forest erected the Wall to keep him contained. At least that's my understanding of it.

Paddy Cow

podgemonster wrote: »

Another Stark is surely for the block and I cannot see the point of a 3ER once the NK is toast. The ending should be bitter sweet.

People are pretty meh about Bran and like you say, once the NK goes, Bran doesn't really have a purpose. Arya is a fan favourite so she should die over Sansa.

Fian

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/sep/01/game-of-thrones-final-series-how-it-can-satisfy-fans

In a flashback in season five, a young Cersei visited a sooth-saying witch who told her she’d marry a king, that the king would have 20 children while Cersei would have three, and that hers would die. All of that came true, which suggests the witch’s further prophecy that Cersei would have her crown taken by a younger, more beautiful queen is worthy of note. The witch also said Cersei would die at the hands of a “valonqar”, or “little brother”, which could either mean Jaime or Tyrion. But with an enemies tally longer than a list of Robert Baratheon’s love-children, almost anyone could kill Cersei. So, a war, with Jon and Dany pretending that awkward “thing” never happened and Jon honouring his bending of the knee to Dany and renouncing his claim. Cersei loses and Dany is crowned. Job done.

Or Jon marries Dany and she is queen at his side.

Paddy Cow

Fian wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/sep/01/game-of-thrones-final-series-how-it-can-satisfy-fans



Or Jon marries Dany and she is queen at his side.

That's not true. In the show the witch never said that Cersei would die at the hands of her brother. Skip to the 3 minute mark for their exchange.

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Paddy Cow

Daith wrote: »

Sansa will have made clothes for them in no times. It's her special power.

I think the Dothraki will be annihilated because of the cold. How good are horses in that weather? Have a feeling the Unsullied will do better.

Not very good. When Stannis marched on Winterfell he lost a lot of men and horses to the cold. That was before the wall fell and the NK started marching south. It's said in the books that it becomes even colder, unbearably so when the NK/wights are near.

rossie1977

If the season 8 spoilers online are true then it's a completely different ending than anyone predicted but GRRM said it would be very bittersweet

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rossie1977

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As a wrestling fan I am used to reading spoilers for shows that have taped in advance so for me at least it's nothing new.

We always rewatch stuff we like as well despite knowing the ending.

The spoilers could be complete bs too but will be interesting to see how much they got right when the time comes..I'll probably have forgotten everything by the time season 8 finishes anyway likely in 2019

HandsomeBob

Anyone read these supposed season 8 script leaks? I could tell they were bull from early on but I'm actually angry for having read them. ****ing bulling at the sheer terrible effort of making make believe.

Paddy Cow

rossie1977 wrote: »

If the season 8 spoilers online are true then it's a completely different ending than anyone predicted but GRRM said it would be very bittersweet

Can we please not have posts like this? I know this post doesn't have any spoilers in it but this is the speculation thread and I have speculated and I don't want to know that what I think is going to happen, definitely isn't going to happen.

I don't want to know what is happening in Season 8. I don't care if I end up with egg on my face because my predictions were way off but please can we keep this thread free of spoilerish speculation.

Sorry to be a killjoy.

KKkitty

When the big reveal happens and everyone knows exactly who Jon really is I hope Bran, Arya or Sansa don't treat him any different. I don't want to see their attitudes towards him change at all.

HandsomeBob

KKkitty wrote: »

When the big reveal happens and everyone knows exactly who Jon really is I hope Bran, Arya or Sansa don't treat him any different. I don't want to see their attitudes towards him change at all.

They won't. Arya wouldn't care. I actually thought Bran seemed almost bitter at the idea of Jon being a sand and seemed happy at Sam's revelation. Sansa would be happy as well, but she is the most politically astute. She would want to protect him.

KKkitty

HandsomeBob wrote: »

They won't. Arya wouldn't care. I actually thought Bran seemed almost bitter at the idea of Jon being a sand and seemed happy at Sam's revelation. Sansa would be happy as well, but she is the most politically astute. She would want to protect him.

Bran is almost robotic now though. Being the 3 eyed raven must be hard on the ol' brain for him. He could see anything and it's like his facial expressions are stuck on the same thing constantly.

RobbingBandit

Bran smirking in his chair couldn't wait to tell Jon his name was Jon Sand, not Jon Snow, how he will manage to prove his power and influence to the lords of the North will be interesting, Jon, Dany and even Varys should be very interesting reactions when the see what Bran can do. I am surprised we haven't seem wight Hodor yet, I am wondering how many if any prior characters will make a return as wights.

leggo

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Bran smirking in his chair couldn't wait to tell Jon his name was Jon Sand, not Jon Snow, how he will manage to prove his power and influence to the lords of the North will be interesting, Jon, Dany and even Varys should be very interesting reactions when the see what Bran can do. I am surprised we haven't seem wight Hodor yet, I am wondering how many if any prior characters will make a return as wights.

Not that many who've died already, just those who've died beyond the wall and weren't burned. Hideo is probably the only big character I can think of. But it's going to start taking those zombie movie traits on next season. For example, I can see Arya being forced to put down zombie Sansa.

ludite

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I've seen them on facebook without even clicking in :mad:

ludite

KKkitty wrote: »

When the big reveal happens and everyone knows exactly who Jon really is I hope Bran, Arya or Sansa don't treat him any different. I don't want to see their attitudes towards him change at all.

Bran already knows, Arya wouldn't care and I think Sansa might just be a little more respectful of him

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DaeryssaOne

leggo wrote: »

Not that many who've died already, just those who've died beyond the wall and weren't burned. Hideo is probably the only big character I can think of. But it's going to start taking those zombie movie traits on next season. For example, I can see Arya being forced to put down zombie Sansa.

I can't imagine it being Sansa but can definitely see Jon having to kill someone like Wight Tormund - which would be really sad, which is why it will probably happen!

theballz

I think the white walkers will actually bypass the north and head straight for kings landing. By the time daenarys arrives it will have been destroyed (house of the undying scene.)

rossie1977

Will be interesting to see how many they get right