Dublin V Mayo .. opinions on the final

Doltanian

Joe McQuillan's appointment is unethical and he should have no involvement in any Dublin match or influence over a game where Dublin are likely to play the winners of it. The GAA would want to examine their own rules and code of conduct because they are breaking every rule of fair play by appointing Joe McQuillan as the referee, he lives and works in Dublin. He has been single-handedly responsible for Dublin winning the All-Ireland in 2011 and 2013 and in 2012 he done everything in his powers including playing over and above the injury time to try allow Dublin to equalise the match.

He has a conflict of interest and should not be involved in any match involving Dublin, he has also refereed Dublin team training sessions and would be familiar with this Dublin team. In any sport no official so closely related to a competing team in a fixture like this would be tolerated. It is totally unethical in my opinion.

C__MC

Doltanian wrote: »

Joe McQuillan's appointment is unethical and he should have no involvement in any Dublin match or influence over a game where Dublin are likely to play the winners of it. The GAA would want to examine their own rules and code of conduct because they are breaking every rule of fair play by appointing Joe McQuillan as the referee, he lives and works in Dublin. He has been single-handedly responsible for Dublin winning the All-Ireland in 2011 and 2013 and in 2012 he done everything in his powers including playing over and above the injury time to try allow Dublin to equalise the match.

He has a conflict of interest and should not be involved in any match involving Dublin, he has also refereed Dublin team training sessions and would be familiar with this Dublin team. In any sport no official so closely related to a competing team in a fixture like this would be tolerated. It is totally unethical in my opinion.

He also reffed Dublins only defeat to Donegal in 2014

Who do u want ? Conor lane was out of his depth last year, paddy neilan had a poor league final.

BonnieSituation

Doltanian wrote: »

Joe McQuillan's appointment is unethical and he should have no involvement in any Dublin match or influence over a game where Dublin are likely to play the winners of it. The GAA would want to examine their own rules and code of conduct because they are breaking every rule of fair play by appointing Joe McQuillan as the referee, he lives and works in Dublin. He has been single-handedly responsible for Dublin winning the All-Ireland in 2011 and 2013 and in 2012 he done everything in his powers including playing over and above the injury time to try allow Dublin to equalise the match.

He has a conflict of interest and should not be involved in any match involving Dublin, he has also refereed Dublin team training sessions and would be familiar with this Dublin team. In any sport no official so closely related to a competing team in a fixture like this would be tolerated. It is totally unethical in my opinion.

Gas.

Who was in the middle when Mayo beat us in 2012 and when Donegal beat us in 2014?

celt262

Joe McQuillan lives and works in Cavan.

Paulzx

Doltanian wrote: »

Joe McQuillan's appointment is unethical and he should have no involvement in any Dublin match or influence over a game where Dublin are likely to play the winners of it. The GAA would want to examine their own rules and code of conduct because they are breaking every rule of fair play by appointing Joe McQuillan as the referee, he lives and works in Dublin. He has been single-handedly responsible for Dublin winning the All-Ireland in 2011 and 2013 and in 2012 he done everything in his powers including playing over and above the injury time to try allow Dublin to equalise the match.

He has a conflict of interest and should not be involved in any match involving Dublin, he has also refereed Dublin team training sessions and would be familiar with this Dublin team. In any sport no official so closely related to a competing team in a fixture like this would be tolerated. It is totally unethical in my opinion.

The Mayo players living and working in Dublin should not be allowed play in the final. They are actually part of a secret Dublin espionage plan to steal the 2017 All Ireland away from Mayo and will secrtely wear blue g strings.

As part of this dastardly plan all ballboys for the All Ireland final have been secretly programmed with a special edition Baile Atha Chliath chip to ensure they hand special "Dublin" balls to Dublin players. O'Neills are part off this subterfuge also

mezzz

O great, an anti-mayo ref just been announced,

don't worry mayo you will be back next year

happyoutscan

No prob with the ref.

mezzz

happyoutscan wrote: »

No prob with the ref.

oh please, this is going to go down to a very controversial refs decision, it's written in stone

Slattsy

My mate works in a bookies and told me Joe McQuillan walked in earlier with a bag full of cash and put it all on Dublin to win.

Make of that what you will..

Donal55

Doltanian wrote: »

Joe McQuillan's appointment is unethical and he should have no involvement in any Dublin match or influence over a game where Dublin are likely to play the winners of it. The GAA would want to examine their own rules and code of conduct because they are breaking every rule of fair play by appointing Joe McQuillan as the referee, he lives and works in Dublin. He has been single-handedly responsible for Dublin winning the All-Ireland in 2011 and 2013 and in 2012 he done everything in his powers including playing over and above the injury time to try allow Dublin to equalise the match.

He has a conflict of interest and should not be involved in any match involving Dublin, he has also refereed Dublin team training sessions and would be familiar with this Dublin team. In any sport no official so closely related to a competing team in a fixture like this would be tolerated. It is totally unethical in my opinion.

LOL.
And there was I thinking it was all those €000,000s which were responsible for Dublin winning those games.

And all along it was Joe!

mezzz

Slattsy wrote: »

My mate works in a bookies and told me Joe McQuillan walked in earlier with a bag full of cash and put it all on Dublin to win.

Make of that what you will..

printing money

Donal55

mezzz wrote: »

oh please, this is going to go down to a very controversial refs decision, it's written in stone

I hope Connolly's involved.





And scores the free.

mezzz

Donal55 wrote: »

I hope Connolly's involved.





And scores the free.

that's not funny

cavan4sam

Doltanian wrote:

Joe McQuillan's appointment is unethical and he should have no involvement in any Dublin match or influence over a game where Dublin are likely to play the winners of it. The GAA would want to examine their own rules and code of conduct because they are breaking every rule of fair play by appointing Joe McQuillan as the referee, he lives and works in Dublin. He has been single-handedly responsible for Dublin winning the All-Ireland in 2011 and 2013 and in 2012 he done everything in his powers including playing over and above the injury time to try allow Dublin to equalise the match.

Doltanian wrote:

He has a conflict of interest and should not be involved in any match involving Dublin, he has also refereed Dublin team training sessions and would be familiar with this Dublin team. In any sport no official so closely related to a competing team in a fixture like this would be tolerated. It is totally unethical in my opinion.

Pure Sh1te

Fact 1.."Dublin Joe" lives in Cavan

Fact 2 "Dublin Joe" works in cavan

Fact 3 "Dublin Joe " is a nice lad that happens to referee Gaa matches in his spare time

Fact 4 "Dublin Joe" has not received one single all Ireland medal which is a travesty of justice considering he single handledly won the all Ireland in 2011 and 2013..

#justiceforjoe

Spare me the BS please ...Whoever is good enough will win the all Ireland

Donal55

cavan4sam wrote: »

Pure Sh1te

Fact 1.."Dublin Joe" lives in Cavan

Fact 2 "Dublin Joe" works in cavan

Fact 3 "Dublin Joe " is a nice lad that happens to referee Gaa matches in his spare time

Fact 4 "Dublin Joe" has not received one single all Ireland medal which is a travesty of justice considering he single handledly won the all Ireland in 2011 and 2013..

#justiceforjoe

Spare me the BS please ...Whoever is good enough will win the all Ireland

Wouldn't worry too much. Just some Mayo fans getting their excuses in first.

cavan4sam

Donal55 wrote:

Wouldn't worry too much. Just some Mayo fans getting their excuses in first.

In fairness they have plenty of practice

DoctaDee

Donal55 wrote: »

Wouldn't worry too much. Just some Mayo fans getting their excuses in first.

Yer doing the Mayo lads a disservice there .. that rant came from the south west

Donal55

DoctaDee wrote: »

Yer doing the Mayo lads a disservice there .. that rant came from the south west

Apologies.

Bonniedog

what a load of bullcrap about McQuillan.

He let Mayo kill the game through fake injuries and delayed subbings in 2012 when Dublin were over-running them towards the end.

And all because Horan had made false claims about him reffing Dublin training games. Not challenge games, but internal games.

mickmurray69

I'm not going to get into a debate about ref. All I'll ask is that he will be consistent. For Mayo to win we need to make Dublin play on our terms. Mayo must get a good start and get our tactics right and if we can score more goals (not own goals) than Dublin Sam will be heading out of the capital . Best of luck to both teams .

MayoAreMagic

Bonniedog wrote: »

what a load of bullcrap about McQuillan.

He let Mayo kill the game through fake injuries and delayed subbings in 2012 when Dublin were over-running them towards the end.

And all because Horan had made false claims about him reffing Dublin training games. Not challenge games, but internal games.

1. What players faked an injury? Anyone who went down, was subsequently substituted. Bit extreme for a guy faking injury to go as far as being subbed wouldnt you say?! Method play-acting?
2. Over-running, for about 15 minutes. If I hear about brogan's missed goal chance again I will gag, Jason Doherty, Michael Conroy and COC all missed goal chances in the same game. In fact doherty's chance was even better than brogans.
3. He did ref their in-house games. Gilroy brought him in in 2011 to do it. I believe he also wanted him to go through what was fair tackling and what wasn't. Pat McEneaney came out with a carefully worded statement the following season stating that McQuillan had 100% not reffed dublin in house games 'this year'. :rolleyes: About as subtle as a kick in the ar*e.

PARlance

Slattsy wrote: »

My mate works in a bookies and told me Joe McQuillan walked in earlier with a bag full of cash and put it all on Dublin to win.

Make of that what you will..

And that's why he's Dublin Joe.


Cavan Joe wouldn't carry a bag full of cash.

happyoutscan

mezzz wrote: »

oh please, this is going to go down to a very controversial refs decision, it's written in stone

Hes the best out of who was available to ref, so I'm not sure where the problem is.

We need to score more than Dublin to win.

Stoner

PARlance wrote:

Cavan Joe wouldn't carry a bag full of cash.

This is great, you'll have a bag of excuses ready to go now PARlance!!

I think Croke Park doesn't suit Parsons perm BTW.

big b

Split Dublin in two ( did we ever say that about Kerry, or Kilkenny in hurling?)

Combine small counties

Handicap Tiger Woods

No club outwith the big 4 will ever win the EPL again (until Leicester did)

Handicap Celtic


Or how about we recognise that sometimes a club hits a golden patch & wins a lot, but life - and sport - being what it is, it won't last forever.

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

This is great, you'll have a bag of excuses ready to go now PARlance!!

I think Croke Park doesn't suit Parsons perm BTW.

We've so many excuses, you could split them in two.

km79

Bonniedog wrote: »

what a load of bullcrap about McQuillan.

He let Mayo kill the game through fake injuries and delayed subbings in 2012 when Dublin were over-running them towards the end.

And all because Horan had made false claims about him reffing Dublin training games. Not challenge games, but internal games.

Horan was dead right to put it out there
Cute enough
Glad to see Rochford got the memo too
He has been far too diplomatic at times

Martina1991

I've no problem with the ref. I didn't think he did too bad in 2013.

The ref shouldn't even be a factor. This is just people stirring notions and having a pre-planned excuse.

As long as it's not Cormac Reilly I don't care. :pac:

BPKS

A big question is how Mayo will manage the 22 days between the replay and the final. Obviously they will get a chance to get the soft tissue injuries that were mounting up right, but will the momentum they had from playing so regularly be killed by the long break? Dublin peaked for their semi final last year and should have been beaten in the drawn final. They seem to be managing their run better this year but only time will tell.

A misfiring Kerry team scored 2-31 in the two games against Mayo. You would have to expect Dublin to reach at least 22 or 23 points in the final and its hard to see Mayo getting more than that, unless they score 2 goals or more.

MayoAreMagic

big b wrote: »

Split Dublin in two ( did we ever say that about Kerry, or Kilkenny in hurling?)
Combine small counties
Handicap Tiger Woods
No club outwith the big 4 will ever win the EPL again (until Leicester did)
Handicap Celtic
Or how about we recognise that sometimes a club hits a golden patch & wins a lot, but life - and sport - being what it is, it won't last forever.

Funny you mention golf. Amateur golfers do indeed carry a handicap. GAA is also amateur.

As for Leicester City. Just to clarify, you are giving an example of one non-money driven side winning something in 25 attempts... And this is supposed to support your argument? :P

So celtic have hit a golden patch and it wont last forever? So everyone just sits and waits for the spl to right itself then, while interest in it drop further and further off the face off the earth, right? Because that is the best thing for everyone involved. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

MayoAreMagic

BPKS wrote: »

A misfiring Kerry team scored 2-31 in the two games against Mayo. You would have to expect Dublin to reach at least 22 or 23 points in the final and its hard to see Mayo getting more than that, unless they score 2 goals or more.

The same misfiring Kerry team, minus O'Donoghue and Donaghy, beat Dublin in the league final, rattling over 20 points in the process...

MayoAreMagic

Martina1991 wrote: »

I've no problem with the ref. I didn't think he did too bad in 2013.

The ref shouldn't even be a factor. This is just people stirring notions and having a pre-planned excuse.

As long as it's not Cormac Reilly I don't care. :pac:

He isn't the worst ref out there. However, an issue Id have with 2013 was Dublin carried out a ridiculous amount of fouls in the game, yet f-all cards were handed out to them.
Again in the 2015 semi final, cooper and McMahon were let off the hook with straight red card offences in the drawn game. He needs to just call the rules and don't be worrying about who he is punishing.

squrm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

The same misfiring Kerry team, minus O'Donoghue and Donaghy, beat Dublin in the league final, rattling over 20 points in the process...

Well if we're using the league as a barometer can the 12 point defeat of Mayo by Dublin be included too?

PARlance

BPKS wrote: »

A big question is how Mayo will manage the 22 days between the replay and the final. Obviously they will get a chance to get the soft tissue injuries that were mounting up right, but will the momentum they had from playing so regularly be killed by the long break? Dublin peaked for their semi final last year and should have been beaten in the drawn final. They seem to be managing their run better this year but only time will tell.

A misfiring Kerry team scored 2-31 in the two games against Mayo. You would have to expect Dublin to reach at least 22 or 23 points in the final and its hard to see Mayo getting more than that, unless they score 2 goals or more.

The result will write those stories I suppose.

From a Mayo perspective, the 3 weeks is welcome. If it was played last weekend, we would have had 3 key players injured, they're just getting back this week so the break will help. I don't think anyone can be concerned about it, if they are, it could have been worse and 4 weeks.

Re Kerry misfiring and 23 points to win:
Dublin scored less in the final(s) than Kerry did this year, 3-24... both sets of matches had similar conditions. Dublin scored 23 against Tyrone and I would expect that Mayo will be able to restrict them to less. 2-9 & 1-15 was enough to draw and win the replay last year.

A final should be a tighter affair. The bookies have it at 36.5 points. 19 or so points should win it assuming it's a tight match. A couple of goals are needed from Mayo, we didn't get enough last year at all. A little more hopeful this year but we haven't came up against a defence anywhere near Dublin's standard.

MayoAreMagic

squrm wrote: »

Well if we're using the league as a barometer can the 12 point defeat of Mayo by Dublin be included too?

It can yes.
But then it is widely-known that mayo only look to maintain their D1 status in the league, due to the requirements on the squad for training etc.

PARlance

squrm wrote: »

Well if we're using the league as a barometer can the 12 point defeat of Mayo by Dublin be included too?

It felt worse than 12 points tbh.

Only thing you can say about that from a Mayo perspective is that there were about 4 or 5 players playing that most knew wouldn't feature come the championship. Tactics were all wrong too iirc, no sweeper or semi sweeper. And we had the likes of Keegan rushed back in to corner back to plug holes.

It was a hammering but not a result many will read into imo. A league Final is going to offer more insight but it is what it is at the end of the day.

BPKS

PARlance wrote: »

The result will write those stories I suppose.

From a Mayo perspective, the 3 weeks is welcome. If it was played last weekend, we would have had 3 key players injured, they're just getting back this week so the break will help. I don't think anyone can be concerned about it, if they are, it could have been worse and 4 weeks.

Re Kerry misfiring and 23 points to win:
Dublin scored less in the final(s) than Kerry did this year, 3-24... both sets of matches had similar conditions. Dublin scored 23 against Tyrone and I would expect that Mayo will be able to restrict them to less. 2-9 & 1-15 was enough to draw and win the replay last year.

A final should be a tighter affair. The bookies have it at 36.5 points. 19 or so points should win it assuming it's a tight match. A couple of goals are needed from Mayo, we didn't get enough last year at all. A little more hopeful this year but we haven't came up against a defence anywhere near Dublin's standard.

Good point about finals being a tighter affair. In their last 3 final appearances, Dublin have got 12, 11 and 16 scores so my reckoning that they will probably hit 22 or 23 point total could well be wide of the mark.

PARlance

BPKS wrote: »

Good point about finals being a tighter affair. In their last 3 final appearances, Dublin have got 12, 11 and 16 scores so my reckoning that they will probably hit 22 or 23 point total could well be wide of the mark.

The weather will be a big factor too. But given Dublin's complete dominance and fine shooting against Tyrone "only" resulting in 2-17, I do think the bookies have it about right.

Gael85

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

He isn't the worst ref out there. However, an issue Id have with 2013 was Dublin carried out a ridiculous amount of fouls in the game, yet f-all cards were handed out to them.
Again in the 2015 semi final, cooper and McMahon were let off the hook with straight red card offences in the drawn game. He needs to just call the rules and don't be worrying about who he is punishing.

And don't forget Cillian O'Connor elbow on Rory O'Carroll in that game and McQuillan failure to issue black card to Lee Keegan in Diarmuid Connolly red card incident

MayoAreMagic

Gael85 wrote: »

And don't forget Cillian O'Connor elbow on Rory O'Carroll in that game and McQuillan failure to issue black card to Lee Keegan in Diarmuid Connolly red card incident

You see, if you had just said 'when O'Connor threw his arm out when O'Carroll was grabbing onto him', instead of 'elbow' Id take you seriously.. I accept that was a yellow card incident, but it was no more.
As for keegan, that isn't a black card. It is a headlock, or 'chokehold' when someone does it to Connolly. When Connolly does it himself it is deemed a headlock again... Sad stuff.

Slattsy

Time to unfollow this thread for a while.

MayoAreMagic

Slattsy wrote: »

Time to unfollow this thread for a while.

Indeed.
Those passive aggressive back-seat modders can be a pain to listen to

Gael85

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

You see, if you had just said 'when O'Connor threw his arm out when O'Carroll was grabbing onto him', instead of 'elbow' Id take you seriously.. I accept that was a yellow card incident, but it was no more.
As for keegan, that isn't a black card. It is a headlock, or 'chokehold' when someone does it to Connolly. When Connolly does it himself it is deemed a headlock again... Sad stuff.

The Keegan incident started when he pulled Connolly in a headlock to the ground. Connolly retaliated when a couple digs and rightly sent off. Keegan should have got black. O'Connor threw a couple digs too in that incident. Could got line for third man in. O'Connor should got the line for O'Carroll incident but like last 3/4 years gets away with the sly elbows.

MayoAreMagic

Gael85 wrote: »

The Keegan incident started he pulled Connolly in a headlock to the ground. Connolly retaliated when a couple digs and rightly sent off. Keegan should have got black. O'Connor threw a couple digs too in that incident. Could got line for third man in. O'Connor should got the line for O'Carroll incident but like last 3/4 years gets away with the sly elbows.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/watch-fan-footage-perfectly-captures-diarmuid-connolly-and-lee-keegans-bust-up-37889

Obvious that isn't what happened. Keegan is guilty of cutting off his run but after that the two of them are at it until Connolly throws punches. Yellow and red - exactly what they both got. As for 'third man in', if that was applied across the entire game that day there would have been nobody left on the field.
Ive already addressed the other point.

Anyway, the cooper stamp and McMahon head-butt - you were saying?

Martina1991

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Obvious that isn't what happened. Keegan is guilty of cutting off his run but after that the two of them are at it until Connolly throws punches. Yellow and red - exactly what they both got. As for 'third man in', if that was applied across the entire game that day there would have been nobody left on the field.
Ive already addressed the other point.

Anyway, the cooper stamp and McMahon head-butt - you were saying?

Ah lads will ye quit. Lets look to the game at hand.

Paulzx

On thread bickering always seems to revolve around the same poster in this forum:cool:

C__MC

Thought myself mc quiallan gave colm Boyle a soft penalty for Mayo in 2015 draw

MayoAreMagic

Martina1991 wrote: »

Ah lads will ye quit. Lets look to the game at hand.

More than happy to. Ive no interest in that stuff. The conversation was on mcquillan and I referenced how he could have been better in previous meetings, which to my mind is relevant, and Im happy to keep things relevant.
However, nobody should have to suffer hearing biased propaganda about chokeholds and phantom elbows either.

djPSB

Barlett wrote: »

Agreed...Aidan O'Shea to score four goals in the first ten minutes from full back :D

Own goals again?

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

More than happy to. Ive no interest in that stuff. The conversation was on mcquillan and I referenced how he could have been better in previous meetings, which to my mind is relevant, and Im happy to keep things relevant.
However, nobody should have to suffer hearing biased propaganda about chokeholds and phantom elbows either.

Biased propaganda is bad all right. What's worse is inconsistent biased propaganda when the league matters one minute and is dismissed the next.