No Mercy (Raw PPV) Thread

martyos121

Don't think they could've booked a worse finish than that if they tried. When Reigns takes the belt off Brock at Mania next year and is still being booed out of the building, there won't be a single credible star to step up to him. I guess that's what Vince wants though, the fool.

Angron

chris20 wrote: »

Best match of the night was the tag match

Yeah, I thought it was the best one of the night too, and fair play to Cesaro for gutting it out.

Rjd2

Angron wrote: »

Yeah, I thought it was the best one of the night too, and fair play to Cesaro for gutting it out.

girls the second best as it was a fun little match. Twas a decent B PPV up until the last hour, but those 2 basic main events and Enzo "wrestling" really dragged it down sadly.

Angron

Rjd2 wrote: »

girls the second best as it was a fun little match. Twas a decent B PPV up until the last hour, but those 2 basic main events and Enzo "wrestling" really dragged it down sadly.

Yeah, the women's match felt like one of the better multi-women matches they've had on the main roster. Everyone got a chance to look strong, at least for a bit.

Rjd2

Anyway as others have said, what's souring people on the final hour is not just the matches, but the reality is we are getting Roman kicking out of 17 f5's at Mania, I and others called it ages ago, but there was a naive small part of me that thought they may switch it up for a little while before that.

Oops.:eek:

Angron

Rjd2 wrote: »

Anyway as others have said, what's souring people on the final hour is not just the matches, but the reality is we are getting Roman kicking out of 17 f5's at Mania, I and others called it ages ago, but there was a naive small part of me that thought they may switch it up for a little while before that.

Oops.:eek:

Yeah, one of my friends was going mad trying to book it in his head. He settled on Heyman turning on Brock, Braun winning, Brock going away for a while before returning to get a rematch at the Rumble.

HandsomeBob

Multiple results that fans are going to hate.....business as usual really. I hope that means a heel turn for Enzo at least.

The Nal

chris20 wrote: »

I'm a big lesnar fan but I think it's time he lost the belt

Strowman is the issue. A big angry guy with two moves. Seen that guy 100 times before.

Loughc

The Nal wrote: »

Strowman is the issue. A big angry guy with two moves. Seen that guy 100 times before.

As opposed to Reigns who is a big angry good guy with two, possibly three moves.

The Nal

Loughc wrote: »

As opposed to Reigns who is a big angry good guy with two, possibly three moves.

Terrible aswell yep.

Last nights PPV was about as good as an episode of WCW Thunder.

Angron

The Nal wrote: »

Terrible aswell yep.

Last nights PPV was about as good as an episode of WCW Thunder.

I wouldn't go that far. Up until the last hour or so, I thought it was pretty good, especially for a "B" PPV.

Lord TSC

The Nal wrote: »

Strowman is the issue. A big angry guy with two moves. Seen that guy 100 times before.

And yet is one of the most over guys on Raw

The result wasn't my issue with the match. It was just poorly laid out. Didn't have the intensity that it needed at all, and you could hear the crowd wilt when they realised what direction the match was going in.

Someone referenced the other day too....how many torches does Reigns need to be given before they realize that angle isn't going to work?

Loughc

Lord TSC wrote: »

And yet is one of the most over guys on Raw

Someone referenced the other day too....how many torches does Reigns need to be given before they realize that angle isn't going to work?

Infinite. Vince seems so damn stuck on the Reigns Experiment to the detriment of the product. He will not stop until he is number one and crowned champ at WM.

The Nal

Lord TSC wrote: »

And yet is one of the most over guys on Raw

Hes good in short bursts. A spot here and there but terrible in proper matches. The main event was 8 minutes long last night and it dragged which is all you need to know.

Lord TSC wrote: »

how many torches does Reigns need to be given before they realize that angle isn't going to work?

Its not even going to work when he beats Lesnar clean at Mania. Vince needs a new Cena now hes off for a bit. Someone to do the corporate appearances, the charity stuff etc.

SlickRic

This can't be said enough - never in the history of professional wrestling has a guy been pushed to the degree that Reigns has, despite pretty much every metric showing that he's not the guy.

Never. Not one guy has been pushed like this.

Vince pre-owning American wrestling would have even given up 2 years ago.

Let's look at what they've tried..

He's kept strong as fúck as the mysterious, kick-ass Samoan in the Shield.
He gets to keep the cool music when they split AND continues to come to the ring through the fans.
He sets the record for most eliminations in a single Rumble.
He wins the Rumble the next year, while being endorsed by The Rock.
He fights toe-to-toe with Lesnar, arguably the company's biggest attraction, in the WM main event, and only loses to an all-time great cash-in.
He gets into a feud with HHH, the díck boss who becomes champion, with the díck wife. He beats him for the title, while giving Steph comeuppance (which nobody ever gets to do).
He gets to take out Vince at one stage too.
He beats Undertaker at Wrestlemania, in what is likely to be his last match.
He beats Cena in a 'passing of the torch' match.

They have used every trick imaginable to give the guy credibility, and to give the fans a reason to get behind him.

It will never happen Vince. You blew it. Just move on. It's not going to happen.

DM_7

Have no clue what WWE are thinking.

The Reigns match was awful ****e.

Braun is also awful. Crowd did not care about him after first two minutes and he was in there with Brock.

The so called great heel got cheered, as he can't work a decent match to back up his great talking.

Good womens match, WWE do the mutli person bout very well. Glad to see bliss and contiue to defy odds. She is like a female Edge.

Great tag match and easily best match of the night with the four best regular performers featured.

Finn needing Bray to talk him into a match made Finn look terrible. Decent bout but this match summed up how WWE booked each guy badly.

The Nal

DM_7 wrote: »

Finn needing Bray to talk him into a match made Finn look terrible. Decent bout but this match summed up how WWE booked each guy badly.

Vince has tried that Wyatt character 4-5 times now. As far back as Skinner, Mideon etc. The only one who sort of worked was Gangrel.

Bray is a jobber. Therefore both looked sh1te.

sky88

i think the problem with wwe and reigns is they see him as getting the cena reaction of boos from the adults and cheers from the kids but in reality cena was the most over guy in the company when they strapped the rocket to him and then he was forced down our throats and reactions changed.

Reigns has never been the most over guy in the company and never will be he was over huge in the shield but that was due to the three of them and they were used right

The Nal

sky88 wrote: »

i think the problem with wwe and reigns is they see him as getting the cena reaction of boos from the adults and cheers from the kids but in reality cena was the most over guy in the company when they strapped the rocket to him and then he was forced down our throats and reactions changed.

Reigns has never been the most over guy in the company and never will be he was over huge in the shield but that was due to the three of them and they were used right

He does big money for them though. Sells more merch than anyone in the company aside from Cena and he gets the biggest crowd reaction of anyone.

ERG89

Whenever a PPV has happened I'm always so glad I stopped staying up for them long ago considering how little people on here seem to enjoy them.




My favourite match graphic in some time. :pac:

Lord TSC

Favorite comment from Reddit.

"Reigns has had so many torches handed to him, he could run his own white supremacist rally!"

J. Marston

I think they might have crossed a line with the finisher kickouts last night.

In the tag match, leaving aside heels/faces/whatever, that White Noise/Powerbomb double move should've ended the match 100%. The kickout wasn't a "Wow!" moment, it was more of a "Seriously?" Even the crowd seemed taken out of the moment briefly when Ambrose kicked out.

And Reigns, what was it? 3 or 4 normal AA's and a super AA. I mean come on....

Neil3030

Very simple solution to the Reigns problem -> give him the cruiserweight treatment. Don't boo him, go for nachos. Or file out of the arena if he's the main event. The push will be dead within a month.

SlickRic

The Nal wrote: »

He does big money for them though. Sells more merch than anyone in the company aside from Cena and he gets the biggest crowd reaction of anyone.

The merch sales aren't really true though.

He doesn't blow the next best out of the water or anything (like Cena would have), and there is more of Roman's merch than anyone else.

Anecdotally I've heard many stories of there being hundreds of boxes of Reigns stuff at events, but if you ask for other wrestlers' stuff, there's barely anything in comparison.

Jerichoholic

It's not the crowd reaction they are looking for though. It's f*ck off heat. Last night was pathetic. Cena pretending on Raw Talk was a new low for him. I was turning the corner on Cena but that complete pack of lies he was saying showed me why I never liked him. A complete corporate yes man.

Sickening.

ricero

Went to bed just before the womens match with the intention of watching the rest of the ppv today.

After reading the results i wont bother. Shocking booking. Not putting the title on strowman reeks of the time they didnt pull the trigger on ryback

The Nal

ricero wrote: »

Went to bed just before the womens match with the intention of watching the rest of the ppv today.

After reading the results i wont bother. Shocking booking. Not putting the title on strowman reeks of the time they didnt pull the trigger on ryback

Another angry big guy with 2 moves. Can't get a gig since he left WWE.

cian68

J. Marston wrote: »

I think they might have crossed a line with the finisher kickouts last night.

In the tag match, leaving aside heels/faces/whatever, that White Noise/Powerbomb double move should've ended the match 100%.

Neither of those are finishers though.

PTH2009

Will John Cena get the 'Leave the memories alone' treatment tonight on Raw ???

Can image Reigns being the last guy to come out and hug him

I loved it to be honest. The ending of the Brock/Strowman match was a bit out of nowhere and I'd have preferred to see Strowman get the win but I thought it was a great PPV. I loved the Cena/Reigns match but my match of the night was actually the womens match.

Rock Lesnar

As if we didnt know already, but at least now we know anybody pointing to the WM sign from Raw after the rumble wont be in the main event, ha

Rock Lesnar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I loved it to be honest. The ending of the Brock/Strowman match was a bit out of nowhere but I thought it was a great PPV. I loved the Cena/Reigns match but my match of the night was actually the womens match.

Hello Vince,

Loughc

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

Hello Vince,

Pffft Vince wouldnt have rated the women's match so highly.

Plus he would have mentioned Reigns way more.

Rock Lesnar

Loughc wrote: »

Pffft Vince wouldnt have rated the women's match so highly.

Plus he would have mentioned Reigns way more.

I know

kopite386

That's Cena gone until Royal Rumble where he will enter as a 'suprise' entrant ~ question is will he be a raw or smackdown participant

Insect Overlord

Just watched this over the last few hours.

Miz v Jordan was a good opener.

The tag team match was class. Poor Cesaro though! The image of him turning to face Sheamus and pointing at his mouth will stay with me!

The women's match was also very well done.

Everything that I could say about Cena/Reigns has already been said. Just stupid, utterly stupid.
Neville losing like that made no sense. He was the heel in that match. Weird story-telling.

I didn't have a problem with Brock winning. It was a similar kind of story to the last Goldberg match though, not much new.

Furious-Red

Still laughing at Cole "This is the biggest moment in Reigns's career". You would think beating Taker at WM and retiring him in the same night

Mr.Nice Guy

I thought it was a decent show overall. The tag match was very good and I feel for Cesaro losing his teeth like that.

The Miz's wrestling was so bad in his match and this is why I don't get why people want him to be elevated higher than he is.

I liked that Brock won but I think they should have protected Strowman better. Let him kick out of one or two F-5s.

Cena giving Reigns the treatment that Rock gave Cena was too phony. At least the feud with Rock had gone on a long time whereas this was only a few weeks of a feud. I couldn't buy into that at all.

I thought Finn got a good match out of Bray. Alexa winning was the right call (Bayley is so dead as a character now it's extraordinary).

Enzo winning the title feels like it will hurt the Cruiserweight division unless he's going to lose it back immediately at 205 Live.

The Legend Of Kira

I used to watch Wwe/wrestling on a weekly basis up until 2007 , since 2007 I only look at video clips on youtube now & again, I honestly don,t get why they keep pushing Roman Reigns despite people booing him, years ago if a fellow was getting a push if Vince saw it wasn,t working out he always knew when to pull the plug on it.


In the early 1990s after Hulk Hogan left they tried to push Lex Luger as the next big thing it didn,t work out Vince pulled the plug on his push, they tried to push Kevin Nash Aka Diesel for a year when they gave him the title his push didn,t quite work out Vince pulled the plug on his push, in 2004 they turned Randy Orton face & tried to push him as best as they could Ortons push didn,t quite work out Vince pulled the plug on  Ortons push & he turned heel after a few months, however with Roman Reigns they booked him in a match with Triple H, booked him to beat the undertaker & lately booked him to beat John Cena, despite different things they have done over the last few years he,s not getting over with the audience & yet they don,t pull the plug on his push, I just don,t get it .

The Nal

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I liked that Brock won but I think they should have protected Strowman better. Let him kick out of one or two F-5s.

Finished him like a mid carder who just got lucky early in the match. Months of pushing Strowman undone. He looked terrible and theres no reason for a rematch. Not that anyone would want one anyway.

Loughc

The Nal wrote: »

Finished him like a mid carder who just got lucky early in the match. Months of pushing Strowman undone. He looked terrible and theres no reason for a rematch. Not that anyone would want one anyway.

But man think of how good the pay off is going to be when Reigns kicks out of 10 F-5 and conquers Brock Lesnar.

HandsomeBob

J. Marston wrote: »

I think they might have crossed a line with the finisher kickouts last night...

They crossed the line with that a long time ago to be honest. I think once AJ kicked out of an avalanche AA after having already kicked out of a normal one that was me done with those type of finishes.

Laziest way imaginable to build drama and they use it in spades.

The Nal

HandsomeBob wrote: »

They crossed the line with that a long time ago to be honest. I think once AJ kicked out of an avalanche AA after having already kicked out of a normal one that was me done with those type of finishes.

Laziest way imaginable to build drama and they use it in spades.

Best way to put someone over with a kick out is having some sort of interference and then having them kick out. Like HBK superkicking Taker in the HHH Mania match. Or The Rock kicking out of Stunners with Vince and Austin ganging up on him.

The AA must be the most kicked out of move ever by a top guy though. Its a sh1t move too.

Rock Lesnar

HandsomeBob wrote: »

They crossed the line with that a long time ago to be honest. I think once AJ kicked out of an avalanche AA after having already kicked out of a normal one that was me done with those type of finishes.

I think when Cena lifted Alberto del Rio off the matt while in Del Rio's arm bar submission hold a few years ago had me done, He then done it to Rusev shortly after to, finishers are pointless now in my opinion, the fact that i nearly expect a kick out then a pin now says it all.

Ali Bomaye

That show was so disappointing, even though the undercard delivered. I had high hopes given the decent build and decent Raw's the last few weeks but the big matches were really underwhelming. That tag title match was amazing, loved the call back to the SummerSlam match. Cesaro is a beast, continuing to work the match after having those teeth knocked out was top class. The tag divisions on both brands in WWE this year have been amazing.

I actually thought the Jordan/Miz match was decent. The Miz getting cheered while Jordan was putting in a valiant babyface effort really didn't help things. They've really made a mess of Jordan. The best thing now would be to send him back to SmackDown and forget this Kurt Angle storyline ever happened. Going by that awful promo after the match, I'd guess we'll be getting a Jordan heel turn?

The women's match was pretty good, for a 5 way. Nia did a great job taking bumps in the match. Somehow, they continue to find new ways to make Bayley look like even more of a loser everytime she appears. It'll be interesting to see if they have Asuka challenge for the title straight away, and also how they handle her undefeated streak.

Bálor/Wyatt was fine I guess. I don't watch anything to do with Wyatt on Raw so I didn't care anyway. Bálor did a lot better with him than Orton managed anyway. I wonder what they have planned for Bálor next, they've been keeping him very strong in the booking since he returned without putting him in any major storylines.

I hated Enzo beating Neville. I think Neville has been the best wrestler in WWE this year and then the have him drop the title to this geek. Hopefully he wins it back quick like with Tozawa. Also, I hated Enzo's appearance on RawTalk. He went on complaining about how ugly the title is and continuing to make hideous remarks about Neville's appearance which nobody called him out on.

Reigns/Cena was so dull. The first few minutes of Reigns throwing a few slow punches and then a ridiculous looking closing stretch. Reigns has failed in his two big moments this year with Undertaker and Cena. I was hoping this would be a big match workrate Cena performance, but this was more like his effort against Corbin than against Styles.

The main event was so disappointing. It started out alright with Strowman throwing Lesnar around, but then just turned into another boring generic Lesnar match, with minimal effort given. All that build for Strowman over months only to beaten by a few suplexes and one F5.

It looks like Lesnar will continue to hold the belt until his inevitable rematch with Reigns at 'mania so. I wish they'd have had Reigns just win that match at 'mania 31 instead of having to with three years for the rematch, with the awful 'mania main events for Reigns in between.

HandsomeBob

Combine that with the low blow and surely they're turning him.

J. Marston

According to this...

http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/cesaro-visiting-dental-surgeon-expected-back-week-243441

Cesaro didn't have his teeth knocked out. Instead, the impact drove them up through his gums.

Gross.

Lord TSC

Oh man, that sounds even worse :S

Angron

Oh wow, that sounds frigging horrible.

Agent Coulson

I bet Seth is glad the injury came by way Ambrose and not him or the whole Rollins doesn't protect his opponents stuff would start again.