Social housing offers for all ireland

pilly

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

There are places where a north Dublin accent will get you little or no service, either. And a Cork accent they'll probably pretend they cannot understand.

Especially if you've come down here taking the council house which we were hoping our <<insert adult-child's name>> would be after getting.

That's bullcrap. Doesn't happen. I've lived and worked in rural Ireland for years now.

Sleeper12

pilly wrote:

Foreign nationals are served everywhere I know of. Travelers I couldn't care less about tbh.

My point exactly. Thanks

riclad

I,M saying all the articles i see i the papers are along the lines of young people are paying high rents, they can,t save to buy a 200-300k
house. Its hard to save up a deposit if you are paying very high rent Note to media ,not everyone lives in dublin.Or in a urban area or a city.
You can still buy a house in rural area,s for 70-80k
i,m not saying anyone should be forced to move to any rural area.
There are some people that work and live in rural area,s.
Things will continue to get worse, there will be more people homeless ,
rents will rise,
unless the government makes a 10 year plan ,build 1000,s of social housing units .
Give money to housing co ops ,encourage self building with grants or tax breaks.
the whole area of finance and loans for housing charitys needs to be streamlined .
IS there some town in a rural area that has 1000,s if empty
council houses that no one will live in ?

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm guessing you are talking about Travelers & foreign nationals

Some Travelers & foreign nationals are homeless too & there are plenty on the housing list & there are plenty places in Ireland where they wont be served.

arent all traveller's in social housing or on the housing list

mikemac2

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

However this would cause lots of social problems: Irish towns typically don't like blow-ins, people don't want Dubs next door etc. Someone who accepted such an offer could well find themselves in a place where no publican or shop-keeper in town will serve them. So as well as it sounds in theory, I cannot see it working in practise.

Pure hysterical

Sure the rural resettlement scheme has housed over 700 families over the last two decades. Ok not huge numbers but I didn't hear of an apartheid regime in Clare where many of them went to. Though that's not just a local authority scheme

http://www.ruralresettlement.com

Ireland is small, you make it sound like rural Alabama

You remind me of the Ballyfermot taxi driver who complained his daughter couldn't afford a house in Palmerston as blowins were buying the houses. Blowins I asked? People like you he snapped!
I didn't know anyone from ninety minutes down the M7 was an immigrant :pac:

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote:

arent all traveller's in social housing or on the kist list

No. That's a racial /ethnic stereotype. People need to stop the "all travellers", "all blacks", "all foreign nationals" Plenty of travellers own their own homes. Some have built very large homes.

NIMAN

Sleeper12 wrote: »

No. That's a racial /ethnic stereotype. People need to stop the "all travellers", "all blacks", "all foreign nationals" Plenty of travellers own their own homes. Some have built very large homes.

....whilst officially being on the dole!;)

Sleeper12

NIMAN wrote: »

....whilst officially being on the dole!;)

And yet another racial/ethnic stereotype.

There are travelers that hold collage degrees, good jobs & pay tax.
Just sayin like

NIMAN

Sleeper12 wrote: »

And yet another racial/ethnic stereotype.

There are travelers that hold collage degrees, good jobs & pay tax.
Just sayin like

The wink was hinting at a joke.:rolleyes:

Sleeper12

NIMAN wrote: »

The wink was hinting at a joke.:rolleyes:

I get that & I'm not picking a fight. Just pointing out that the joke was a racial/ethnic stereotype joke

handlemaster

Sleeper12 wrote: »

No. That's a racial /ethnic stereotype. People need to stop the "all travellers", "all blacks", "all foreign nationals" Plenty of travellers own their own homes. Some have built very large homes.

I have never met a working traveller. Thats my experience. I dont know of any building own homes except for one massive one outside longford town.

Sleeper12

handlemaster wrote: »

I have never met a working traveller. Thats my experience. I dont know of any building own homes except for one massive one outside longford town.

If there is one then logic suggest that there are more. I've seen plenty myself.
Look I get it. I have met many, many travelers & many of them carry on the way people describe here but the point is not all of them behave this way. When we stereotype a group we become as dumb as the Nazis, KKK & white supremacists. Their tunnel vision allows them to believe that ALL Blacks, All Jews etc behave a certain way. An awful lot of what is said about travelers here is true of some or even most but I have problems with people suggesting ALL. That leads to hate imo

Many people have never met God but believe he exits. These people want to believe.

Gatling

Sleeper12 wrote: »

And yet another racial/ethnic stereotype.

There are travelers that hold collage degrees, good jobs & pay tax.
Just sayin like

But 85 % are unemployed
Barely 1% have a degree of some kind

Unfortunately it's a racial stereotype it's fact ,

Shouting down people cliams of using racial stereotypes is a pretty poor man's arguement

poolboy

pilly wrote: »

This idea doesn't make sense because if you do that every waiting list in the country has 100k people on it, far too much administration.

Also not everyone on a housing list is unemployed believe it or not so are they supposed to jack in their jobs.

With a ridiculous system like you suggest you could have someone from Dublin shipped down to Tipperary and someone from Tipperary sent up to Dublin. Where's the sense in that?

I'd absolutely jack in my job for the sake of a safe permanent home for my family and start looking for something near my new home.

myshirt

Gatling wrote: »

But 85 % are unemployed
Barely 1% have a degree of some kind

Unfortunately it's a racial stereotype it's fact ,

Shouting down people cliams of using racial stereotypes is a pretty poor man's arguement

Is it really that bad? Wow.

I would have thought more in the 30% bracket.

Rightwing

The aristocrats have messed up badly. They interfered with interest rates. These need to go back up and quickly.

Sleeper12

myshirt wrote:

I would have thought more in the 30% bracket.

85% is the percentage claiming social welfare I'd imagine. I would think 30 % not actually working is more accurate. Not that I condone social welfare fraud and I hear where Gatling is coming from.

80% of autistic adults are unemployed. I'd hate to see people describe all autistic people in the same way

Rightwing

Sleeper12 wrote: »

85% is the percentage claiming social welfare I'd imagine. I would think 30 % not actually working is more accurate. Not that I condone social welfare fraud and I hear where Gatling is coming from.

80% of autistic adults are unemployed. I'd hate to see people describe all autistic people in the same way

I'd have thought it higher than 85%. Where would they get a job?

gizmo81

Mrs O'Bumble someone is spinning you a yarn.

fg1406

I've seen someone mention the Choice Based Letting scheme. Is this a form of a "CAO" type application system? How does it work? Only that I've seen a fb friend (real life acquaintance) post a rant giving out yards about it. Neither he nor his partner work and never had in the 6 years I've known them and have 3 kids and another on the way later this month. They were offered a house 1 train stop up the line from where they are living (approx 15 mins away) and he said it was ridiculous to offer that house to a family with no car, and that they'd be in a hotel room soon if they weren't housed.
I am confused by the whole situation. As someone who has scrimped and saved and gone without over the past 3 years to save €55k to buy and furnish a house, a house that was far from being in my first estate of choice as it's quite a bit away from where I work, socialise etc but it was what I could afford. I don't get why this family are upset at being offered the opportunity of their "forever home" (a term I dislike in terms of social housing), as opposed to their HAP home which they are at risk of losing over non payment of rent.
So does Choice based letting work? Is it really that bad of a system? Could it be improved as the OP said by opening it to offers countrywide?

Sleeper12

Rightwing wrote:

I'd have thought it higher than 85%. Where would they get a job?

Not everyone in Ireland discriminates fortunately. Some travelers are collage educated. many have better educations than me and I've never been unemployed so why wouldn't they get jobs?
I really admire these. When you think that their parents were possibly illiterate and might not have believed in education. These kids might not have had any encouragement at all. It's a shame that it's still a small percentage but I take my hat off to the ones that are trying.

pilly

poolboy wrote:

I'd absolutely jack in my job for the sake of a safe permanent home for my family and start looking for something near my new home.

Why don't you so? People say this all the time when if in reality life on the dole was so amazing no-one would be working.

You also assume there are any jobs in rural Leitrim lets say.

poolboy

pilly wrote: »

Why don't you so? People say this all the time when if in reality life on the dole was so amazing no-one would be working.

You also assume there are any jobs in rural Leitrim lets say.

Life on the dole may be no picnic but if a safe permanent home is part of the deal it's better than living in a hotel in Dublin.

Rightwing

pilly wrote: »

Why don't you so? People say this all the time when if in reality life on the dole was so amazing no-one would be working.

You also assume there are any jobs in rural Leitrim lets say.

Yes, you caught him out there.

The reality is the dole is not a place to be. Vast majority of people don't want to be on it. It's for ultimate losers. People would get bored, become gamblers/alcoholics etc.

Mrs OBumble

pilly wrote: »

Why don't you so? People say this all the time when if in reality life on the dole was so amazing no-one would be working.

You also assume there are any jobs in rural Leitrim lets say.

If you really worked in the social housing area, you'd know full well that under the current regime there's no way the Leitrim (let's say) council will accept him onto their social housing list.

Which is a relief: thinking about it overnight, I was appalled that someone who is blatantly racist could have a job in the sector.

gabsdot40

There are 2 groups of homeless people in Ireland, Rough sleepers and families who have been forced out of the private rental accommodation.
These two groups are very different and shouldn't be lumped together.

All big cities will have rough sleepers and while we shouldn't forget about them, at the moment the bigger problem are families.

I know a woman who is living in a B&B in Dublin city centre with her daughter. There are about 40 families living in the B&B and most are women on their own with 3+ kids. I'm betting a lot of these families would be happy to move to other parts of the country.

Also I don't think council housing should be for life. You get the house for as long as you need it and then move on. I know a number of people whose kids have grown up and left home who are still living alone in 3 or 4 bed council houses. This is a total waste.

NIMAN

gabsdot40 wrote: »

I know a number of people whose kids have grown up and left home who are still living alone in 3 or 4 bed council houses. This is a total waste.

Well that shouldn't be.

Things like this need looked into.

But then again, when you give someone their 'forever home', can you take it back off them? They will have settled in the area, made friends, be part of the community etc.

Rightwing

gabsdot40 wrote: »

There are 2 groups of homeless people in Ireland, Rough sleepers and families who have been forced out of the private rental accommodation.
These two groups are very different and shouldn't be lumped together.

All big cities will have rough sleepers and while we shouldn't forget about them, at the moment the bigger problem are families.

I know a woman who is living in a B&B in Dublin city centre with her daughter. There are about 40 families living in the B&B and most are women on their own with 3+ kids. I'm betting a lot of these families would be happy to move to other parts of the country.

Also I don't think council housing should be for life. You get the house for as long as you need it and then move on. I know a number of people whose kids have grown up and left home who are still living alone in 3 or 4 bed council houses. This is a total waste.

How I see it is, beggars can't be choosers. If they get somewhere they have to take it, or else out in the streeets or in car if they have one.

Councils should be shut down, complete waste of money.

pilly

Mrs OBumble wrote:

Which is a relief: thinking about it overnight, I was appalled that someone who is blatantly racist could have a job in the sector.

I'm blatantly racist? Are you on drugs? You were the one saying that people wouldn't get served in local shops and pubs in rural Ireland and I pointed out how wrong you were.

What are you on about?

pilly

Mrs OBumble wrote:

If you really worked in the social housing area, you'd know full well that under the current regime there's no way the Leitrim (let's say) council will accept him onto their social housing list.

By the way the whole premise of the thread is should there be an all Ireland list. Have you read the title?