Does the old IRA still exist? (Mod warning in op)

end of the road

hurler32 wrote: »

Often wonder why people bothered with the 100 year celebrations of 1916.....i'm sure Pearse , Connolly etc wouldnt be too pleased that over a 100 years later we still couldnt manage to get a United Ireland???

A three quarters free Ireland is some fudge for the last 90 years ...why should a person in County Clare live under an Irish Government as opposed to a person in County Tyrone....??

there will be a UI eventually. it is coming. we will all be under an irish government soon free from britain, a 32 county republic as is meant and supposed to be.

Chester Copperpot

dd972 wrote: »

The PIRA in the North had the means and capacity to wipe out Loyalist sectarian murder gangs so why didn't they do it? Especially between 1988 and 1993 when there were lots of instances of innocent Catholics being killed, they were such an abhorrent and corrupt organisation that I suspect they allowed these murders to continue to increase the Nationalist communities dependency on them. People like Scappaticci and Denis Donaldson sum them up.

Surely people like Donaldson and scappaticci sum up the British security services

A Little Pony

Bambi wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

To defeat terrorists who went against the legitimate state and agreement.

Much like The Provo's did, The Irish Army spout this sillyidea that they are descended from the War of Independence IRA.

They are of course descended from the National Army, which had more of the British Army in rank and file then the old IRA.

No comparison between the legitimate army of the Republic and all the terrorist groups from early 20th century to the 70s terrorists.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

munsterlegend wrote: »

It was the army of the Irish people back in 1919. An election saw Sinn Fein candidates overwhelming returned. The army in 1919 fought the war how it needed to be won. It would have been pretty silly to have direct engagement.

As for the provisional movement it wasn't backed by a mandate from its people or community. One could argue on occasions it did given the election of known activists such as Sands etc but it was a world away from the war of independence IRA but that just is more an indication of the basket case Northern Ireland had become and still is.

The majority of Sinn Fein voters in 1918 did not vote for war. Even many members of the first Dail were opposed to the war. The IRA largely did what it wanted and ignored the Dail.

I'm not saying that were wrong by the way. I'm saying that the effort to draw a strong line between them and the provos is largely ahistorical.

Ipso

Is An Poblacht still on the go? Like Fox News in print form turned up to 11.

sligojoek

"I always thought the IRB were the IRA's second team." Ross O Carroll Kelly.

Arsemageddon

A Little Pony wrote: »

No comparison between the legitimate army of the Republic and all the terrorist groups from early 20th century to the 70s terrorists.

.... and how pray tell, do you think the Republic of Ireland and the Irish Defence Forces came to be established?

Arsemageddon

timthumbni wrote: »

And everyone of them are complete losers and cocksuckers to boot....

So you think Micheal Collins et al were 'cocksuckers'!? Sounds like homoerotic wishful thinking on your part.

Considering the War of Independence led to the establishment of an Irish Republic your `losers' comment is factually incorrect.

MadDog76

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many IRA's are there?

Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Old IRA
The IRA
I Can't Believe it's Not the IRA

etc etc...

Is that you Patrick Kielty?

retalivity

end of the road wrote: »

there will be a UI eventually. it is coming. we will all be under an irish government soon free from britain, a 32 county republic as is meant and supposed to be.

Hopefully not. And i say that as an irishman with no nationalistic tendencies. Trying to incorporate the tens of thousands of absolute head-the-balls who are anti-everything irish north of the border will be a disaster. They can have their little statelet

end of the road

retalivity wrote: »

Hopefully not. And i say that as an irishman with no nationalistic tendencies. Trying to incorporate the tens of thousands of absolute head-the-balls who are anti-everything irish north of the border will be a disaster. They can have their little statelet

no . it must reunify with the republic, it will reunify with the republic. it's what britain wants, it's what the EU want and it's what the irish ultimately want. the fleggers can easily be dealt with now that they have no support from the BA and british government.

Ken.

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uck51js9zml2yt

Anyone who thinks the (P)IRA have miraculously gone away no doubt also believes in the Flying Spagetti Monster.

munsterlegend

Arsemageddon wrote: »

So you think Micheal Collins et al were 'cocksuckers'!? Sounds like homoerotic wishful thinking on your part.

Considering the War of Independence led to the establishment of an Irish Republic your `losers' comment is factually incorrect.

Have to laugh that one of the people thanking him for that comment was 'hidinginthebush'.

riffmongous

A Little Pony wrote: »

No comparison between the legitimate army of the Republic and all the terrorist groups from early 20th century to the 70s terrorists.

'the Republic'.. you mean Ireland right?

A Little Pony

riffmongous wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

No comparison between the legitimate army of the Republic and all the terrorist groups from early 20th century to the 70s terrorists.

'the Republic'.. you mean Ireland right?

No, the Irish Republic. If I meant Ireland I would have said Ireland. As for the EU, the EU can go to hell. Most true Irish Nationalists don't believe in the EU or what it stands for unless you are happy to relinquish your sovereignty.

A Little Pony

end of the road wrote: »

retalivity wrote: »

Hopefully not. And i say that as an irishman with no nationalistic tendencies. Trying to incorporate the tens of thousands of absolute head-the-balls who are anti-everything irish north of the border will be a disaster. They can have their little statelet

no . it must reunify with the republic, it will reunify with the republic. it's what britain wants, it's what the EU want and it's what the irish ultimately want. the fleggers can easily be dealt with now that they have no support from the BA and british government.

I know plenty of Irish people who don't, myself being one, along with hundreds of thousands like me.

LordSutch

New IRA developed new kind of under car bomb!

http://news.sky.com/story/new-ira-develops-new-kind-of-bomb-northern-ireland-police-say-11016168

Wonderful, just what we need for unification.

More policemen, judges & security personnel with fewer legs and/or dead. Grieving relatives, more bitterness, anger, retaliation, extra security, frustration & deep sadness, yeah, way to go New IRA - you're soooo cool - NOT.

Are Am Eye

They're not an army of any description.
Cowards skulking miles away, where they're safe, while their bomb goes off. Usually killing primarily civilians.

If a one of them could fight like a man then they could have some claim to calling themselves soldiers. But they don't so they can't.

McMurphy

Are Am Eye wrote: »

They're not an army of any description.
Cowards skulking miles away, where they're safe, while their bomb goes off. Usually killing primarily civilians.

If a one of them could fight like a man then they could have some claim to calling themselves soldiers. But they don't so they can't.

Ratchet up your outrage meter. , because they kinda sounds like the Americans too so?

The United States has admitted that at least 105 Iraqi civilians were killed in an air strike it carried out in Mosul in March

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timthumbni

end of the road wrote: »

no . it must reunify with the republic, it will reunify with the republic. it's what britain wants, it's what the EU want and it's what the irish ultimately want. the fleggers can easily be dealt with now that they have no support from the BA and british government.

Good luck with that chum. You seem to to always stand up for the travellers as all round decent folk. So I will take your opinion with a pinch of salt to be honest.

Btw we are leaving the eu so their opinion is meaningless. And unlike yourselves we will hopefully have the balls 🏀 to go through with it. No second votes to make sure we get the right answer like certain others.

Atoms for Peace

Rick Shaw wrote: »

Ratchet up your outrage meter. , because they kinda sounds like the Americans too so?

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The US bombing was in support of Iraqi forces retaking the city from IS. I think we can all agree mosul is a better place without those bastards.

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

No, the Irish Republic. If I meant Ireland I would have said Ireland.

You're confused. At this stage you should know that the Irish Republic was the unilaterally declared all-Ireland state that existed between 1916 and 1922/23. In 2017 the Irish Republic remains unfulfilled. The state you call the Irish Republic is, in fact, known by only one name in the English language: Ireland. This has been so since 1937. Since 1949 this state has been described as the Republic of Ireland. Name versus description. A fairly remedial distinction.

Irish Republic

v.

Republic of Ireland

A Little Pony

A Little Pony wrote: »

As for the EU, the EU can go to hell. Most true Irish Nationalists don't believe in the EU or what it stands for unless you are happy to relinquish your sovereignty.

Alternatively 'most true Irish nationalists' know exactly what the EU stands for and therefore strongly support it: a bulwark against the re-emergence of British power over the Irish and Ireland. Which of course is precisely why you and your fellow unionists resent it. As long as Ireland remains in the EU your "British Isles" pipedreams cannot be fulfilled again.

timthumbni

I see fuenarch just posted and then removed immediately a post stating that any true republican would never support the eu.

Saying as sf were originally against the eu and now appear to have flippity flopped to be their biggest fans I found this most amusing. Any comment fuenarach????

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

I see fuenarch just posted and then removed immediately a post stating that any true republican would never support the eu.

I never posted that, so stop lying.

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

Alternatively 'most true Irish nationalists' know exactly what the EU stands for and therefore strongly support it: a bulwark against the re-emergence of British power over the Irish and Ireland. Which of course is precisely why you and your fellow unionists resent it. As long as Ireland remains in the EU your "British Isles" pipedreams cannot be fulfilled again.

I can barely believe you have just posted that. See my previous post. In one second you have changed your stance from being anti eu (a post you removed) to being pro eu. What a joke.

Fanny Wank

end of the road wrote: »

it's what the irish ultimately want.

I'd have said the vast majority of people from south of the border are apathetic about Northern politics at best

LordSutch

Why are the British isles even being mentioned in this context?

Doesn't matter what political allegiances NI or Scotland have, doesn't matter whose independent or not, we'll all still be part of this group if islands, which "geographically speaking" is the British Isles or (these islands).....

Unfortunately the latter term also pertains to at least five other groups of islands around the world.

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

And everyone of them are complete losers and cocksuckers to boot....

The irony of a Brexit-loving, EU-hating British unionist like yourself condemning another group for being "complete losers" is entertaining.

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

The irony of a Brexit-loving, EU-hating British unionist like yourself condemning another group for being "complete losers" is entertaining.

So let me get this clear. Are you currently pro or anti eu? You change like the wind. Either that or this site is getting mixed signals..

I don't hate the eu btw. I think it's a joke but I don't hate it. The British are just the first to try to bail off the sinking eu ship. Considering your "revote " a few years back I don't expect you lot to be one of the pioneers. You will do what you are told.

uck51js9zml2yt

How did we go from asking about our home grown terrorist organisation to discussing brexit and the EU?

timthumbni

Back on track. The current Irish republicans who want to bomb and murder their way to a so called "united" Ireland can kiss my arse.

Just like the Gerry Adams version they are doomed to fail. The modern version have succeeded in blowing the legs off of a catholic GAA playing policeman. Not much else. Very much like the provies when you think about it.. not bid fans of democracy...

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

Good luck with that chum. You seem to to always stand up for the travellers as all round decent folk. So I will take your opinion with a pinch of salt to be honest.

Btw we are leaving the eu so their opinion is meaningless. And unlike yourselves we will hopefully have the balls 🏀 to go through with it. No second votes to make sure we get the right answer like certain others.

Ah yes, the tyranny of the majority..... Hold on, 56% of NI voted to stay.....

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yes, the tyranny of the majority..... Hold on, 56% of NI voted to stay.....

The vote was a uk wide one. By your argument didn't one of your counties vote against gay marriage???

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

The vote was a uk wide one. By your argument didn't one of your counties vote against gay marriage???

An electoral constituency actually. They tend not to be recognizable governable entities so your comparison is a bit silly. Conflating a democratic decision with a right decision is fundamentally flawed. If Brexit turns out to be a f*ck up, you wouldn't want to reverse it because 'the majority' has spoken and we must abide by that decision regardless?

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

The vote was a uk wide one.

Hilarious. Seeing as you're suddenly into UK-wide votes to determine the future of the Six Counties, can we take it that you'd be keen on having a UK-wide vote on whether that last remnant of Britain's Irish colony should remain under British rule?

Ken.

Mod-This is turning in to a political thread. Get back on topic please or it will be moved or locked. Thank you

average hero

I detest any and all of those groups. This absolutely includes the groups on the loyalist side including the UDA, UVF, RHC, etc. who are all still very active (particularly in drug distribution and criminality) in their local communities.

Unfortunately, if there ever was a United Ireland, that would mean that those head-the-balls would be in our country.

A United Ireland is probably more likely now than ever. As has been previously stated, the EU wants it, Britain wants rid of Norn Iron (£8 billion noose around it's neck every year) and other interests want it too. Let's just hope that when it comes, it comes smoothly!

With regard to the old republican groups exist, the networks are probably still there but as has been written, they are not on an operational footing. Also a lot of the members will be quite a lot older and will have retired. They would not be encouraging their children into physical force resistance but more into the politics and legal side of things.

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

Hilarious. Seeing as you're suddenly into UK-wide votes to determine the future of the Six Counties, can we take it that you'd be keen on having a UK-wide vote on whether that last remnant of Britain's Irish colony should remain under British rule?

No you are hilarious with your sf flip flops re the eu position. Are you sure you support the eu or did you have to google what the current sf position was? Lol.
NI will remain as part of the uk until the majority wish otherwise. You may not like that but no one up here really gives 2 ****s about your opinion man...

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

So let me get this clear. Are you currently pro or anti eu? You change like the wind. Either that or this site is getting mixed signals.

At the most basic level (to put it mildly), that you cannot distinguish between my quoting another poster (A Little Pony) saying 'As for the EU, the EU can go to hell. Most true Irish Nationalists don't believe in the EU or what it stands for unless you are happy to relinquish your sovereignty.' and my saying that is worrying. That's about as kind as I can be.

timthumbni wrote: »

I don't hate the eu btw...The British are just the first to try to bail off the sinking eu ship.

Having failed to sink the EU with decades of bitter Europhobia and xenophobia, the British have decided to sink themselves. And that's your definition of progress?

timthumbni wrote: »

Considering your "revote " a few years back I don't expect you lot to be one of the pioneers. You will do what you are told.

Make absolutely no mistake here: by the end of this process, you'll all be on your knees doing as you're told, desperate to dress up EU legal and court jurisdication and subscription to EU norms and standards as something other that the massive defeat it is for Brexiters/Tory rightwingers. This is blindingly obvious.

Brexit's "compromise" will ultimately be like your Vauxhall cars: we all know it's a German Opel but they're still called Vauxhall to give you an illusion of Britishness.

Lastly, so this Brexit vote must stand because there is only one vote on the EU and this one is sacrosanct. Good job the Brexit vote wasn't a "revote" on the EU either - oh wait, it was.

1975: UK embraces Europe in referendum


Once again, your democratic credentials are not exactly shining through here.

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

NI will remain as part of the uk until the majority wish otherwise.

The same majority that decided Brexit, or do your have a different majority for that? Of course unlike Brexit which a majority in the Six Counties opposed, you want that "majority" to be decided by a special "majority" just for the Six Counties only. As I said, your "democratic" credentials are hilarious.

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

The same majority that decided Brexit, or do your have a different majority for that? Of course unlike Brexit which a majority in the Six Counties opposed, you want that "majority" to be decided by a special "majority" just for the Six Counties only. As I said, your "democratic" credentials are hilarious.

I'm sure democratic credentials like blowing up wee boys in Warrington for example say everything that needs to be said about Irish republicanism...

A lovely bunch, to be sure....

Yeah_Right

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

A more interesting question would be does the IRB still exist?

They rebranded as World Rugby a couple of years ago.

A Little Pony

Deleted User wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

As for the EU, the EU can go to hell. Most true Irish Nationalists don't believe in the EU or what it stands for unless you are happy to relinquish your sovereignty.

Alternatively 'most true Irish nationalists' know exactly what the EU stands for and therefore strongly support it: a bulwark against the re-emergence of British power over the Irish and Ireland. Which of course is precisely why you and your fellow unionists resent it. As long as Ireland remains in the EU your "British Isles" pipedreams cannot be fulfilled again.

This is nonsense. Irish Nationalists had a long tradition of being against the EU, it's capitalist model of which it is built upon. Maybe you should go read the writings of Irish Nationalists on the EU not more than 10 years ago and further back. Irish nationalism has always had a deep skepticism of the EU.

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm sure democratic credentials like blowing up wee boys in Warrington for example say everything that needs to be said about Irish republicanism...

A lovely bunch, to be sure....

Good luck with making the hunter gatherer based post Brexit economy work for the people of NI Tim......

timthumbni

Deleted User wrote: »

Good luck with making the hunter gatherer based post Brexit economy work for the people of NI Tim......

Yes. Because leaving the European Union really means that we will all go back to prehistoric times. What a snowflake you must be...

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

Yes. Because leaving the European Union really means that we will all go back to prehistoric times. What a snowflake you must be...

So you're admitting things are going get worse under Brexit, but you want leave anyway.

Ken.

Mod-Timthumbni and 17-pdr, do not post in this thread again. Failing to follow mod instruction to drop the political sh!te

padd b1975

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

joeguevara wrote: »

Republicanism is very strange....especially down south....as an ex owner of a bar in Carlow, I was always amazed at who tried to demand do my door....for example, my father is from Donegal and he invited a great band (similar to the Wolfe tones) to sing...three days before a Sinn Fein councillor came in and demanded 10% of the takings as the pub was making profits off the sinn finn struggle...my father asked him was he in castlrea or portlaoise, he stuttered and wasn't long being told to leave...I have never seen as many armchair republicans as I have seen being an owner of a bar...people being associated with gangs, parties and especially people...I love songs and history, and I cannot stand bully's..I especiallly cannot stand people who try and make money off others..

A SF Cllr attempted to shake down your pub?

Christ, the type of people we have serving in public office in this country.

At least they didn't waterboard him.