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Living in a Van. Am I mad?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Love all the comments about Irish weather, our weather is perfect of living in a van, as long as the van doesn't leak.
    We don't get extremes, too hot a climate would be worse, aircon would need to be on all the time. Cold weather isn't a problem as long as you are wrapped up inside the van.

    OP, its more than do-able, but it depends on if you can do it, rather than if it can be done. Parking, toliets, insurance, wifi are all problems that you can resolve in advance but can you stick it out, I think I could do it, but I also know many more people that would crack up after a few days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    The main thing for me would be the fact that you are living in a place with no natural light. If you have ever lived in a basement flat, you will no that the lack of natural light is a bummer. OP will be living in a van with no natural light, in a tiny space.

    OP - if your parents house has an attic/a garage with no windows, try hanging out there for 10 hours, and and see if you feel more favourable towards a flatshare afterwards.

    Or see if know someone living in Dublin who would be amenable to letting you park a motorhome in their front garden for a few months; that would be much more liveable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    The main thing for me would be the fact that you are living in a place with no natural light. If you have ever lived in a basement flat, you will no that the lack of natural light is a bummer. OP will be living in a van with no natural light, in a tiny space.

    OP - if your parents house has an attic/a garage with no windows, try hanging out there for 10 hours, and and see if you feel more favourable towards a flatshare afterwards.

    Or see if know someone living in Dublin who would be amenable to letting you park a motorhome in their front garden for a few months; that would be much more liveable.

    I've yet to see a motorhome without any windows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Gravelly wrote: »
    I've yet to see a motorhome without any windows.

    From the title of the thread: "Living in a Van. Am I mad?"

    - she then goes into great detail about finding discreet places to park her van, the pros and cons of living in a van, etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    From the title of the thread: "Living in a Van. Am I mad?"

    - she then goes into great detail about finding discreet places to park her van, the pros and cons of living in a van, etc

    .........which she says she is converting into a motorhome......


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Gravelly wrote: »
    .........which she says she is converting into a motorhome......

    Fair enough - but if she proposing to go undercover camping around the Dublin suburbs, I imagine that any windows she has will be quite small/covered in opaque material.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,953 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    I would contact campsites and see how much it would be to be a long term
    tenant


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    Fair enough - but if she proposing to go undercover camping around the Dublin suburbs, I imagine that any windows she has will be quite small/covered in opaque material.

    Could always install a few rooflights.


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭danmanw8


    Bathroom trips and the cold in the winter would worry me... doesn't sound like a terrible idea otherwise. How are planning on showering? Parking near public toilets maybe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Could always install a few rooflights.

    Or a skylight?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Senna wrote: »
    Or a skylight?

    Are those two things different?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Are those two things different?

    One's likely LED powered (rooflight) and one uses natural light via a glass covered cavity.

    Even cheaper is Solar-Bottle-Light which uses 'water refraction' to increase illumination distribution/angles. Ideal for sheds.

    Fill a translucent bottle with water, add a splash of bleach to prevent algae from growing in the bottle, and cut a hole in your roof—then slip the bottle through the opening. Make sure you seal up any cracks to prevent the roof from leaking, and let the sun shine in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Immaculata


    I think if you want to try it, good luck to you.

    FWIW I lived in a (self-converted) VW van for a long while in Ireland and around Europe, but I was travelling, not trying to study at the time, so I had it easy compared to you. I'd say from my experience that it's very hassly and surprisingly expensive to acquire a van, and convert it enough to live in and then - the hard part - get the tax, insurance, and so forth sorted out. Possibly the first thing I suggest you check is your driving license, if you haven't already. The class of driving license you have dictates the maximum weight and body capacity of the vehicles you can drive, plus whether or not you can pull a trailer (in case you decide to go for a caravan). You might not be legally qualified to drive the vehicle you want to drive.

    Actually carrying out a simple conversion is straightforward. I made a bed base from wood, put a mattress on it, got a friend to put a small counter up with a camping sink in it that drained out the bottom of the van, and a camping cooker screwed to it, put some curtains up, and used oil lamps and candles for light. I didn't have any heat but I don't really feel the cold as much as normal people, so when I was in Poland in winter and it got subzero, I used to just go to bed earlier. I didn't have any washing facilities apart from the sink, which I had to haul water to, but that didn't matter as I used to shower at friends' houses or campgrounds or gyms or jump in a river. I didn't have any electricity (apart from the driving electrics) but that didn't matter to me at the time. I had a great time on my van adventure but the things that made it doable for me were that I was on holiday so I had all morning to figure out where to shower, all day to get water, all day find a new stealth parking space, including once in the customer's car parking space at a VW dealership in Belgium, and so on. I'm sure that it would be stressful if I were trying to do the same thing now with a student's schedule. Looking back, to save money I should have installed a woodburner for cooking and heating instead of the gas camping stove, and should have installed insulation. But live and learn. You can cut down on the stress of not having standard 'house' facilities a lot by doing a much fuller conversion than I did, but you have to have the space, time, and money, and the larger the vehicle, the less stealthy.

    I remember it was a challenge to get a van that was taxed as a commercial re-taxed as a campervan. I tried to do this when I got back to Ireland with a view to keeping the van longterm, but it was such a faff to organise and changing tax categories (at the time - it might be different now) involved paying a chunk of the market value of the vehicle as a tax, just for the privilege of getting it re-categorised, not counting the actual year's motor tax on top. So I'd suggest you check the vehicle's documentation carefully and maybe ring the motor tax people to see if it's going to be expensive to get it taxed the way you want. Getting the van into the tax class you want may or may not be a prerequisite for getting campervan insurance, so it would be wise of you to double check all this before purchasing. That's especially important if you're importing a vehicle as there could very likely be significant import duties to pay. (Unless you had the vehicle where you were domiciled elsewhere and moved back - my aunt moved back to Ireland and didn't have to pay any import taxes as a result).

    A lot of the problems such as heating and washing and laundry and so forth that you're going to come up against if you carry out your plan, could be solved by making a private arrangement with a farmer to park on their land, use their facilities, and pay for it with a set number of hours per week of babysitting or sheepshearing or whatever, and/or a small amount of weekly rent. There are farms near enough to Dublin that would be glad of the help if you were to devote some time to approaching them and discussing it.

    Or, come to think of it, you could sign up for WWOOFing or for HelpX or Workaway and do the exact same thing, except staying in your host's accommodation and saving all the 'getting a van' part of the challenge. Be warned, though, that my little brother did WWOOFing in a Wicklow farm and was given accommodation above the stables, and woke one morning to find a goat nibbling thoughtfully on his toes. So there you go, it's a jungle out there. Even in Wicklow. But unconventional living arrangements can work - this guy lived in a tent to save rent money while studying, inevitably, astrophysics, for example. Could you put a caravan or a mobile home or a yurt in some relative's back yard or on some amenable farmer's land? The main thing about vans is that to pass the road worthiness state tests (depending on the vehicle and its registration papers, either the DOE or the NCT), they have to have money spent on them, plus tax plus driver's insurance, and you have to drive them around at least once a week to keep them ticking over. A mobile or a caravan are easier to maintain, have no state standards to be worrying about, and being simpler structures, have less that can go wrong. They do have the advantage of being drivable, and in fact they have the security advantage over caravans or any other temporary structure, that if you feel threatened, you can get into the driving seat and go, without having to exit the vehicle. I think it's a lot safer for a single person staying in a van than many think. Once you shut the door, to the outside world, there could be six serial killers and a chainsaw in there.

    Having said that, I think if you have plans to go travelling in your van or stay living in it once your studies are done, it would be worth the time and expense of getting a good van set up the way you want. It would be an investment in your future, really. It depends on what your plans are, and from your original post, if you're aiming to make the van into a home, it could be a worthwhile project. If you haven't already, have a look at ukhippy.com's Nomadic Living section. It's a wholly different way of life, and although I only lived that way for a year, it was probably the best year of my life. So far. :o

    I wish you all the best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Slanty




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Theres a mobile home park near swords .each unit has water supply and esb supply.
    i cant remember the adress as i was there about 3 years ago.
    they might allow you to park there for a fee.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4749114/Couple-convert-old-POST-van-mobile-home.html
    re internet acess. wifi is free in all librarys in dublin.
    or google tiny homes how to build


  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭novarapid


    living in a van fulltime and trying to study would be very difficult thing to do. much different doing it on holidays or when you have no deadlines to meet. as others have said a caravan/ mobile home on a farmers land would be much more practical and comfortable.
    have you tried becoming a house guardian, see what camelot have on their website often places in Dublin to become a guardian of a house.
    good luck with your decision and fair play for thinking of alternatives.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Camelot have a website, you live in a house in ireland and pay a low rent ,
    to make it more secure.
    students in america have been known to live in mobile homes or vans
    to save on rental cost.
    http://ie.cameloteurope.com/


    http://ie.cameloteurope.com/rooms


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OP have you fully or close to fully costed any of the options and spec you're considering

    The anti-conformist posters here might be well fit to clap you on the back on a message board, that costs them nothing and is easy to do, but it's cheap noise.

    I'd think very hard about all you'd be giving up and the difficulties you'd be introducing in a student life and I'm far for convinced you'd save much money versus finding the right houseshare.

    All well and good to start the thread looking for encouragement, but encouragement towards a bad idea is a very funny kind of positivity.

    Can you set out hard, finalised and thorough decisions and demonstrate that when honestly costed this is a money saver?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 kevmbyrne


    Too dangerous in my opinion, for man or woman.
    I'm a carpenter in Dublin and over the last 10 years I've had several vans stolen or broken into for tools or whatever, I would hate to think of what might happen to a person sleeping in a van that gets broken into by a bunch of scumbags in the early hours of the morning.
    Don't do it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jcon1913


    mariaalice wrote: »
    And marinas allow all year round living on a boat do they if that is the case it could be a solution to the op issue.

    For marina moored boat
    Cheap to get into. Prob buy a liveable boat for <€10k
    Secure if moored at Poolbeg / Dun Laoghaire
    Easy get your money back by reselling the boat
    Costs approx €2-3k per year to tie up the boat at a marina
    Toilet/shower/kitchen facilities right there
    No moving around/being moved on by security etc

    Against
    You dont have transport to get home at the weekend
    You may not get a mooring close to college
    Space-wise a boat is very small /claustrophobic


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    A lot of people have mentioned the free spirit element of it, specifically with reference to travelling.

    I've travelled a lot, staying everywhere from hostels to tents, by car, train and bike, and I loved it. But, the element of living out of a backpack is not an enjoyable element, it's a necessity and the various means of accommodation were primarily for social or leisure purposes. Living out of a static van while trying to carry our your 9-5, to me, seems to corner the market of all the negatives while offer little in terms of the positives. It's less "doors open, camp fire flaming, stary night" and more "pissing rain, knackers throwing stones at your fan, struggling to find a place to ****"

    Living out of a van sounds great, if that van is one that moves country to country, or even state to state. But car park to car park within one city? There's no adventure in it, and little advantage. I doubt it's all that much cheaper either.

    I think it's damn cool that the OP is as open minded as she is to think outside the box, but the realities of coming home alone to cold a van, where every basic task becomes a monumental chore, would quickly hit home. There's merit in the idea, but the idea doesn't belong in the suburbs of Dublin


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Slanty wrote: »

    I admire your bravery OP but **** me that looks grim. It's like a really really bad bedsit before they were banned.
    Why is the whole thing covered in a weird type of curtain, sheet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭shaunr68


    ongarite wrote: »
    I admire your bravery OP but **** me that looks grim. It's like a really really bad bedsit before they were banned.
    Why is the whole thing covered in a weird type of curtain, sheet?

    Agreed, it's a horrible, tatty, grubby looking conversion and way overpriced for what is basically an old van with 217K on the clock, with a mattress and a basic kitchen unit, there are much better available out there. The ad states that it has been reclassified as a motorhome on the papers, yet this doesn't seem to meet many of the basic requirements for a conversion.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056286278

    For a good example of a great conversion done on a DIY basis, albeit on a small van that might not have some of the facilities for full time living, check out this thread

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057770094


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    We have mild weather ,its cold here maybe from november till march.
    it depends where you park the van,
    is it sheltered in a corner from the wind .
    Is it properly insulated .


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 marielovesstea


    OP have you fully or close to fully costed any of the options and spec you're considering

    The anti-conformist posters here might be well fit to clap you on the back on a message board, that costs them nothing and is easy to do, but it's cheap noise.

    I'd think very hard about all you'd be giving up and the difficulties you'd be introducing in a student life and I'm far for convinced you'd save much money versus finding the right houseshare.

    All well and good to start the thread looking for encouragement, but encouragement towards a bad idea is a very funny kind of positivity.

    Can you set out hard, finalised and thorough decisions and demonstrate that when honestly costed this is a money saver?

    Hi.

    Yes well to be honest I thought my post was going to get lost in cyberspace , i really wasn't expecting such a response and I'm just trying to convey (maybe not very clearly!!) that I appreciate all the advice and the time people are taking to share and write such detailed responses. Obviously I'm going to like more encouraging, open minded response to the ones that plain out think its an idiotic, ill informed bad idea.

    Also, I am actively researching and gathering as much information about this as possible. If i thought it was a bad idea I would have stopped looking into this at this stage. This isn't an idea i pluck out of thin air yesterday. I've spent hours and hours researching every aspect of the van conversion what I need and what I can do without. I've spoken to van conversion specialists, i know the layout, I know what type of van I need (fiat ducato/ Renault Master LWB high roof incase anyone wants to know) I know all the types of insulation use- their pros and their cons, the different types of fridges, have looked into solar panels for electricity, following blogs, read books etc etc... basically I'm covering all angles and make an informed decision, well as much as I can before I get the van to make sure this isn't a bad idea for me. To the people concerned about the weather- Ireland is relativately mild in comparsion to other countries, its just the rain.. as long as the van is well insulated and ventilated and waterproof, no leaks I think I'm good. Even other aspects, like space for my stuff like my clothes - I've given away and donated 90% of my clothes. Stuff I thought I need, but turns out I didnt. Im thinking of the practicalities , i know I would be very limited in the amount of stuff I could fit into the van. My decision to go ahead with this will be my own and as much as i can an educated decision. I've enough people around me here in the real world trying to put me off as it is.

    I could spent 12k in renting/living expenses for 1 year living in Dublin, money I'll never see again. Or I could put that money to use with the van. By putting the money into the van i think there is potential to earn money from also it by documenting the conversion with a blog. Even if I wasn't to live in the van, say a year from now, if i got sick of it whatever, it could still be used for trips away down the country/out of the country. The van is not going to leave me stuck- rather it opens up more possibilities and opportunities.

    Look at the end of the day, i know this wouldn't be for everyone. Its a lifestyle choice and I think you have to be a certain type of person to do it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,579 ✭✭✭worded


    I usually dream of a camper van from Feb to April to try get through the winter here ... and I never do it.

    Winter will be tough OP BUT summer will be great and you can look forward to some very happy times travelling around then.

    Best of luck and research the insurance first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 marielovesstea


    also insurance wise. I wouldn't be looking to insure it as a commercial and only looking to insure it as a motor home once the work is completed. I would need to get the van inspected to ensure it meets the required standards and if its approved apply to have the classification of the vehicle changed from a commercial to a motorhome. Ive rang insurance companies like Dolman and Stuart insurance that provide insurance for motorhomes and they quoted me 350euro for the year. Tax would be just over 100 euro for the year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 marielovesstea


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Moonbeam wrote: »
    I would contact campsites and see how much it would be to be a long term
    tenant


    For 100 euro a month you can rent a parking space in the city centre.


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