Werewolf XVI - Star Trek

Drumpot

Digital Solitude wrote: »

If you were a wolf, would you call that bluff?

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

mahamageehad

Similar Q to Strawberry, you didn't have y0sser in your FFA, so why did you vote for him?

sullivlo

Drumpot wrote: »

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

CCTV from PJ's gaf:

Necro

Drumpot wrote: »

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

If you're a risk taker then you should be advocating the shot. Then, we'll know.

mahamageehad

Drumpot wrote: »

What do we learn from not Lynching anybody ? Nothing . . The risk now is way lower then it will be in a few days.

Some crew members can see patterns that hint at wolfy stuff before/during and after Lynchs. But with no Lynch it becomes a quiet night where we just wait for another villager to be skinned in the morning.

I am conscious that its in Q's interest that we always have a Lynch, but I think that becomes a problem later on when the odds are more in his favour. He needs only cosy up to a wolf and look dodgy after awhile so now we are more likely to get a wolf or villager who wouldn't be as risky as it will be in a few days.

Drumpot, you said this earlier, then went and voted for no lynch. What changed?

quickbeam

mahamageehad wrote: »

Sorry QB, you've just been pinging me wrong all day. Why did you single out Mick for the no lynch when plenty of others were down for it? Then you added trit even though he was *for* the lynch. Trit wasn't the only one to name a goodie list, so why single him out? Agree with you on the PJ part though.

Because Mick had the double scenario of both jumping on Barney's idea, and, even when Barney abandoned the idea, still persisting with the no-lynch idea. I don't believe anyone else did both those things. If they did, I missed it as I was AFK a lot of the day and had a lot of reading when I got back.

In hindsight, Yoss was a better option than Trit for my FFA, but when you're asked to come up with three, you scan the players and try to remember what stood out about them and Trit's good list (mick, guffy and pj) looked very contrived considering it was so early in the game, and two of those ended up in the top two in an FFA so weird for him to clear them so soon. But Trit's anti no-vote stance meant that he might have made my FFA but he was never (probably) going to make my lynch vote that night anyway.

Drumpot

Necrominus wrote: »

If you're a risk taker then you should be advocating the shot. Then, we'll know.

I'm talking about risking the entire game (on PJ being Q) , not taking out one crewmember . .

Digital Solitude

Drumpot wrote: »

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

Why would the village vote PJ if we think he's Q? I would never ever bite that if playing as a wolf. They have the upper hand in this game, there aren't negotiations or forced positions we can put them in, imo.

quickbeam

sullivlo wrote: »

CCTV from PJ's gaf:

He has gone suspiciously quiet alright!!

quickbeam

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Why would the village vote PJ if we think he's Q? I would never ever bite that if playing as a wolf. They have the upper hand in this game, there aren't negotiations or forced positions we can put them in, imo.

Do we still think he's Q though? I'm sorta convinced he's not now.

Necro

quickbeam wrote: »

Because Mick had the double scenario of both jumping on Barney's idea, and, even when Barney abandoned the idea, still persisting with the no-lynch idea. I don't believe anyone else did both those things. If they did, I missed it as I was AFK a lot of the day and had a lot of reading when I got back.

In hindsight, Yoss was a better option than Trit for my FFA, but when you're asked to come up with three, you scan the players and try to remember what stood out about them and Trit's good list (mick, guffy and pj) looked very contrived considering it was so early in the game, and two of those ended up in the top two in an FFA so weird for him to clear them so soon. But Trit's anti no-vote stance meant that he might have made my FFA but he was never (probably) going to make my lynch vote that night anyway.

Funnily enough that's exactly what I did with Mick. I put him forward on my FFA with little to no intention of voting for him. Particularly when he was so adamant about the no-lynch thing. The only person on my FFA I was ever voting for was PJ. I didn't have enough evidence for anyone else to solidly vote for them.

Lord TSC

Drumpot, I feel your plan is working on the assumption people can't change their votes once registered. Since they can, it's basically a bluff to say "make a mess and leave them to clean it up"....

Drumpot

mahamageehad wrote: »

Drumpot, you said this earlier, then went and voted for no lynch. What changed?

I got the vote time wrong (again) and thought I had until 10 to vote. I voted at 6.30 because I didn't have a target at that time (that I stated in a post but was afraid of missing the vote (in another universe I got a severe reprimand for missing a vote). I was reading posts casually at 9.10 thinking I had 50 mins to choose a target (that would of been PJ most likely) and got it wrong.

I wanted us to vote tonight and didn't see the benefit of publically asking for a vote only to try and "hide" in no lynch's.

The only note I had on Mick was that he foolishly (in my view) agreed with Barney's suggestion of a no vote. But he wasn't even on my radar to be honest . .

Digital Solitude

quickbeam wrote: »

Do we still think he's Q though? I'm sorta convinced he's not now.

I'm very bloody confused

I still think there's a chance, balls to the wall is a solid tactic imo. Double bluff to make him look Wolfy, therefore lynchable. That's a game plan I would consider as Q.

mahamageehad

quickbeam wrote: »

Do we still think he's Q though? I'm sorta convinced he's not now.

Let's just say he is Q.
There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None.
Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though.
They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Drumpot

Lord TSC wrote: »

Drumpot, I feel your plan is working on the assumption people can't change their votes once registered. Since they can, it's basically a bluff to say "make a mess and leave them to clean it up"....

Its not working on any assumption other then we vote for Party for tomorrows lynch and move on talking about other things until we lose another member in the morning .

sullivlo

You know the episode of friends where they all find out about Monica and chandler? They don't know that we know that they know that we know.

Well I'm having that kind of narrative in my head about pj/q. Is he calling our bluff? Did he panic and vote mick to gain some credibility with the village? Or did I just have too much coffee today?

Necro

mahamageehad wrote:

Let's just say he is Q. There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None. Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though. They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Yep. Agree with this. The shot needs to happen so we can move onwards. We have 5 wolves to find and kill.

Drumpot

mahamageehad wrote: »

Let's just say he is Q.
There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None.
Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though.
They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Unless they think the village has the stones (or idiocy) to go through with their threat . . Remember, our shooters can sit on the sidelines and let it happen .

I think we just vote pj and say f**k it.

quickbeam

mahamageehad wrote: »

Let's just say he is Q.
There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None.
Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though.
They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Oh no they don't!

Which means your point about them having no reason to attack him even stronger.

Necro

Drumpot wrote: »

Unless they think the village has the stones (or idiocy) to go through with their threat . . Remember, our shooters can sit on the sidelines and let it happen .

I think we just vote pj and say f**k it.

And waste all of tomorrow on a certainty? Nope. Not on board with this at all. Shoot PJ and we might be able to look at other things tomorrow.

IE - the Mick voters.

mahamageehad

Necrominus wrote: »

Funnily enough that's exactly what I did with Mick. I put him forward on my FFA with little to no intention of voting for him. Particularly when he was so adamant about the no-lynch thing. The only person on my FFA I was ever voting for was PJ. I didn't have enough evidence for anyone else to solidly vote for them.

I would advocate not putting someone on your FFA that you're not really suspicious of. I think putting forward only 1 name you're suss of is better than adding 2 random picks from the air.

quickbeam

mahamageehad wrote: »

I would advocate not putting someone on your FFA that you're not really suspicious of. I think putting forward only 1 name you're suss of is better than adding 2 random picks from the air.

Well, you can be suspicious of somebody enough to have them on your FFA even if you've no intention of voting for them. Three on an FFA, only one on a lynch vote, so there's always going to be at least one you're more sure of than others.

Necro

mahamageehad wrote: »

I would advocate not putting someone on your FFA that you're not really suspicious of. I think putting forward only 1 name you're suss of is better than adding 2 random picks from the air.

It wasn't a random pick from the air. I had my doubts about Mick but not for the reasons of no lynch. I've mentioned this already.

I'm also very unsure about QB's loyalties still. There's a lot of to-ing and fro-ing going on re: PJ at the moment that I'm not liking.

mahamageehad

Necrominus wrote: »

Yep. Agree with this. The shot needs to happen so we can move onwards. We have 5 wolves to find and kill.

I think the shot should wait until after munch tomorrow. There's no harm, and we don't lose a day. There's no rush.

quickbeam wrote: »

Oh no they don't!

Which means your point about them having no reason to attack him even stronger.

Ah you're right, I assumed he'd have to be killed but rereading rules makes it look like he counts as a villager for parity. Interesting.

Necro

mahamageehad wrote: »

I would advocate not putting someone on your FFA that you're not really suspicious of. I think putting forward only 1 name you're suss of is better than adding 2 random picks from the air.

And... just to add. That 'Wolf Lean' tactic? Is doing the exact same thing as plucking random names from a hat.

mahamageehad

quickbeam wrote: »

Well, you can be suspicious of somebody enough to have them on your FFA even if you've no intention of voting for them. Three on an FFA, only one on a lynch vote, so there's always going to be at least one you're more sure of than others.

Necrominus wrote: »

It wasn't a random pick from the air. I had my doubts about Mick but not for the reasons of no lynch. I've mentioned this already.

I'm also very unsure about QB's loyalties still. There's a lot of to-ing and fro-ing going on re: PJ at the moment that I'm not liking.

Fair enough on both points. Ok, nightey night village, hopefully see you all tomorrow!

mahamageehad

mahamageehad wrote: »

Similar Q to Strawberry, you didn't have y0sser in your FFA, so why did you vote for him?

Because he was one of the 3 we were to choose from mamma. As per the rules of FFA.

Mick was very quiet which was unlike him. Perhaps he was a roled player trying out a new strategy.
PJ was too risky a move and I have this little niggle that I can't shake off right now saying he is good.
Yoss got my vote by process of elimination.

mahamageehad

Necrominus wrote: »

And... just to add. That 'Wolf Lean' tactic? Is doing the exact same thing as plucking random names from a hat.

It wasn't meant as a serious criticism, just wanted to point out that Mick won the FFA by quite a few and maybe people weren't as serious about him as others. Have we ever considered a weighted FFA? Now, off to bed for reals!

Necro

I'm so paranoid right now I trust absolutely nobody but myself. Off to bed myself now to re-energise for the morrow.

Barney92

mahamageehad wrote: »

It wasn't meant as a serious criticism, just wanted to point out that Mick won the FFA by quite a few and maybe people weren't as serious about him as others. Have we ever considered a weighted FFA? Now, off to bed for reals!

A weighted FFA? Giving more points to people put at the top of lists? Put surely that would sort of undermine the point of the FFA in a way. Wolves would be pretty sure who everyone would vote for. If you have to rank them 1-3 and that ranking actually means something you will put the person you are going to vote for as 1. Then wolves can pretty much work out who is going to get voted for.

quickbeam

Necrominus wrote: »

It wasn't a random pick from the air. I had my doubts about Mick but not for the reasons of no lynch. I've mentioned this already.

I'm also very unsure about QB's loyalties still. There's a lot of to-ing and fro-ing going on re: PJ at the moment that I'm not liking.

Not really.

Initially proposed a trial (which most people promptly ignored anyway) as I though he was Q.

Then Mahama had me convinced he probably wasn't Q. It'd be more sus for me to stick by my guns against a compelling argument, tbh.

Since then I've been pretty consistent in not shooting him.

I personally can't think of a reason why a goodie would claim Q, so I'm thinking most likely he's a baddie. I think shooting him before tomorrow's lynch will be a waste of a bullet. We can use it if he turns out to be Queen, but no point if he's not. The only advantage of using the bullet earlier is that it gets rid of him as a distraction (if he's not the Queen), but I think saving the bullet is more important.

But hey, it's the Vig's choice at the end of the day. Vig will have the village's best interests at heart so whatever he decides is fine by me. I just personally think it's better to wait.

Necro, I think you're a goodie too*, and your suggestions are your opinion on what's best for the village. Just because we have a different opinion on the use of our resources doesn't mean we're on opposite sides.

*Well, a neutral anyway, I'm still not going to put anyone on the definitive good side.

Lord TSC

Last thought before I hit my pillow.

The PJ situation needs resolving before we do anything tomorrow. Either through a wolf munch or through a shooting, I don't think we should be letting that cloud hang over our head all day.

On a personal note, I'd be curious as to why Patrick, who called heavily for the FFA all day today, then ignored it and voted for me. Why promote that idea so strongly, only to ignore the results? That can be aimed at a few people too, though I haven't had a chance to see what way others lined up. Someone mentioned earlier, it defeats the purpose of FFAs if they get ignored by some people.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. If I dream of clowns, I'm coming for some of ye in the morning

patrickSTARR

Necrominus wrote: »

And waste all of tomorrow on a certainty? Nope. Not on board with this at all. Shoot PJ and we might be able to look at other things tomorrow.

IE - the Mick voters.

As a non Mick voter. Its a bad idea. Maybe a wolf one.

PJ was as easy to jump on as mick was, so thats 4 more people we should look at so. Plus the lads and ladys who voted for no lynch too.

So basically thats a lot to pluck a name for.

I still dont like your attempt to lead the village, you and lord are still on my naughty list. Maybe the wolves, you and lord and others, all went with voting for someone else besides Mick.

patrickSTARR

And I flipped a coin on lord and necro, for thos wondering. Lord got my vote. Both seem wolfy to me

patrickSTARR

Lord TSC wrote: »

Last thought before I hit my pillow.

The PJ situation needs resolving before we do anything tomorrow. Either through a wolf munch or through a shooting, I don't think we should be letting that cloud hang over our head all day.

On a personal note, I'd be curious as to why Patrick, who called heavily for the FFA all day today, then ignored it and voted for me. Why promote that idea so strongly, only to ignore the results? That can be aimed at a few people too, though I haven't had a chance to see what way others lined up. Someone mentioned earlier, it defeats the purpose of FFAs if they get ignored by some people.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. If I dream of clowns, I'm coming for some of ye in the morning

I don't believe in killing men.I think are innocent. So I voted for you ya wolf

Necro

quickbeam wrote:

I personally can't think of a reason why a goodie would claim Q, so I'm thinking most likely he's a baddie. I think shooting him before tomorrow's lynch will be a waste of a bullet. We can use it if he turns out to be Queen, but no point if he's not. The only advantage of using the bullet earlier is that it gets rid of him as a distraction (if he's not the Queen), but I think saving the bullet is more important.

But don't you see that this will dominate discussion tomorrow if it isn't resolved? We have 5 wolves to catch and kill and wasting an entire day on this is only giving wolves more places to hide.
No data from a lynch vote. Probably no FFAs either. Given we've already lost one villager (probably) to a lynch, one to a munch and another tomorrow morning, this is giving the wolves a serious leg up. The clock is ticking on the recruiter too.

quickbeam wrote:

Necro, I think you're a goodie too*, and your suggestions are your opinion on what's best for the village. Just because we have a different opinion on the use of our resources doesn't mean we're on opposite sides.

It's not the difference of opinion that has me concerned. I'm quite happy to take different viewpoints on board. There's a couple of things that seem off about you and I can't quite figure out why or shake this feeling about you not batting for team village this time out.

* I know I'm good by the way :P

Necro

patrickSTARR wrote:

I still dont like your attempt to lead the village, you and lord are still on my naughty list. Maybe the wolves, you and lord and others, all went with voting for someone else besides Mick.

Pfft. Please. I'm not trying to lead the village at all. Necro trying to lead doesn't tend to work out so well. I'm merely putting across my viewpoints.

Or are you just picking on the fact that I'm a high poster again?

WerewolfGM

Captains Log Stardate 47451.6

It is reported that PartyJungle was spending his downtime relaxing in Ten Forward with an (illegal) drink of Antaran Brandy when a shadowy figure emerged from behind a bulkhead gripping a phaser. A Pew Pew noise rang out throughout the bar and PartyJungle slumped over the table, the beautiful ruby red brandy spilled on the floor.

This unknown assailant has not been identified however I have instructed our security team to investigate this fully and make a report to me at that time. I have also instructed the team to investigate the infiltration of illegal liquor.

PJ was

good

Drumpot

Necrominus wrote: »

I'm so paranoid right now I trust absolutely nobody but myself. Off to bed myself now to re-energise for the morrow.

Necrominus wrote: »

Pfft. Please. I'm not trying to lead the village at all. Necro trying to lead doesn't tend to work out so well. I'm merely putting across my viewpoints.

Or are you just picking on the fact that I'm a high poster again?

patrickSTARR

Necrominus wrote: »

Pfft. Please. I'm not trying to lead the village at all. Necro trying to lead doesn't tend to work out so well. I'm merely putting across my viewpoints.

Or are you just picking on the fact that I'm a high poster again?

Its like catchphrase....... I say what I see.



Your pushing shooting pj, what if hes not a wolf and a villager? You seem very eager to kill him

You still look anything but wolfy to me


I say hold our bullets for now. No rush to kill anyone.

Lord TSC

patrickSTARR wrote: »

I don't believe in killing men.I think are innocent. So I voted for you ya wolf

You didn't answer my issue btw. You spent hours pushing for aN FFA, you were the first to list three names, and then you utterly ignored the result to instead vote for someone who only had one vote. It's a bit of a hypocritical moment, and an inconsistency between what you say and how you're acting. Why push for a decision and then utterly ignore it?

Necro

I'm going to bed now. Or at least I was! What in the name of Jebus is going on??

Lord TSC

Well, that's that issue solved anyway...

patrickSTARR

So Necro, you got your wish.

If your a wolf, well played.

But if your not, then you possibly killed a goodie.

Necro

patrickSTARR wrote:

Your pushing shooting pj, what if hes not a wolf and a villager? You seem very eager to kill him

patrickSTARR wrote:

You still look anything but wolfy to me

He was dead anyways. Dragging it out was only delaying the inevitable.

patrickSTARR

Lord TSC wrote: »

You didn't answer my issue btw. You spent hours pushing for aN FFA, you were the first to list three names, and then you utterly ignored the result to instead vote for someone who only had one vote. It's a bit of a hypocritical moment, and an inconsistency between what you say and how you're acting. Why push for a decision and then utterly ignore it?

Pipe down wolf.

Maybe I.want to see who sussed who.

I had you on my ffa, I dont wanna be accused of being a wolfy bandwagoner like necro seems to be pushing.

I went with my gut. If I die..... people can follow my crumbs to necro and you

Necro

patrickSTARR wrote:

So Necro, you got your wish.

Hang on now just a sec there. I wasn't the only advocate for this course of action. I'm not the sole authority of the group or anything.

Why are you laying this solely at my feet?

patrickSTARR

Necrominus wrote: »

I'm going to bed now. Or at least I was! What in the name of Jebus is going on??

Why are you shocked? Very odd seeing as you pushed this pj shooting all night

patrickSTARR

Necrominus wrote: »

Hang on now just a sec there. I wasn't the only advocate for this course of action. I'm not the sole authority of the group or anything.

Why are you laying this solely at my feet?

I.didnt say you did. Did I ? But I do suspect you and lord tsc