Werewolf XVI - Star Trek

sullivlo

Digital Solitude wrote: »

If youwere a wolf, would you call that bluff?

Harsh words from digi

Jayop

sullivlo wrote: »

I found him irresistible after he learned how to post a gif.

I didn't know such skills are what the modern lady looks for.

quickbeam

Jayop wrote: »

No, read a lot of other werewolf boards games and not lynching night one is a very standard tactic and not seen as advantageous to Wolves at all.

Tell me, how does a villager like mick being dead help the village more than the Wolves?

Well, you know this game better than me. I only know it here. But that surprises me. For me a no-lynch is a waste of an opportunity to kill a wolf, even if you miss. As somebody else pointed out already, chances are in a lynch you'll miss more often than you hit anyway, but always worth the chance to take the shot.

Guffy

On grumpy. He was in my fa and the summary sums his role up pretty well. "Hi, not reading, bye". I think he's a red shirt and will be mod killed tomorrow so no point wasting our attention on him.

Will have a read through post lynch after work

sullivlo

Jayop wrote: »

I didn't know such skills are what the modern lady looks for.

Jayop

quickbeam wrote: »

Well, you know this game better than me. I only know it here. But that surprises me. For me a no-lynch is a waste of an opportunity to kill a wolf, even if you miss. As somebody else pointed out already, chances are in a lynch you'll miss more often than you hit anyway, but always worth the chance to take the shot.

Imagine this was actually real and you found a person in your village dead in the morning, do you think it would be a good idea to start hanging people immediately or would you hope to gather some evidence first

Really this is a better discussion to have out side the game thread.

quickbeam

Necrominus wrote: »

I just want him shot to be honest so we know one way or another.

Well, I'd like to know sooner rather than later too. But logic would dictate we save the bullet until we know for sure.

mahamageehad

y0sser, you didn't do an FFA, why did you vote for Sulli?

sullivlo

quickbeam wrote: »

Well, I'd like to know sooner rather than later too. But logic would dictate we save the bullet until we know for sure.

sullivlo

mahamageehad wrote: »

y0sser, you didn't do an FFA, why did you vote for Sulli?

He seemed to take a turn against me for no real reason. He said it was because I bandwagoned someone, but then corrected himself but still voted for me.

Drumpot

Digital Solitude wrote: »

If you were a wolf, would you call that bluff?

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

mahamageehad

Similar Q to Strawberry, you didn't have y0sser in your FFA, so why did you vote for him?

sullivlo

Drumpot wrote: »

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

CCTV from PJ's gaf:

Necro

Drumpot wrote: »

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

If you're a risk taker then you should be advocating the shot. Then, we'll know.

mahamageehad

Drumpot wrote: »

What do we learn from not Lynching anybody ? Nothing . . The risk now is way lower then it will be in a few days.

Some crew members can see patterns that hint at wolfy stuff before/during and after Lynchs. But with no Lynch it becomes a quiet night where we just wait for another villager to be skinned in the morning.

I am conscious that its in Q's interest that we always have a Lynch, but I think that becomes a problem later on when the odds are more in his favour. He needs only cosy up to a wolf and look dodgy after awhile so now we are more likely to get a wolf or villager who wouldn't be as risky as it will be in a few days.

Drumpot, you said this earlier, then went and voted for no lynch. What changed?

quickbeam

mahamageehad wrote: »

Sorry QB, you've just been pinging me wrong all day. Why did you single out Mick for the no lynch when plenty of others were down for it? Then you added trit even though he was *for* the lynch. Trit wasn't the only one to name a goodie list, so why single him out? Agree with you on the PJ part though.

Because Mick had the double scenario of both jumping on Barney's idea, and, even when Barney abandoned the idea, still persisting with the no-lynch idea. I don't believe anyone else did both those things. If they did, I missed it as I was AFK a lot of the day and had a lot of reading when I got back.

In hindsight, Yoss was a better option than Trit for my FFA, but when you're asked to come up with three, you scan the players and try to remember what stood out about them and Trit's good list (mick, guffy and pj) looked very contrived considering it was so early in the game, and two of those ended up in the top two in an FFA so weird for him to clear them so soon. But Trit's anti no-vote stance meant that he might have made my FFA but he was never (probably) going to make my lynch vote that night anyway.

Drumpot

Necrominus wrote: »

If you're a risk taker then you should be advocating the shot. Then, we'll know.

I'm talking about risking the entire game (on PJ being Q) , not taking out one crewmember . .

Digital Solitude

Drumpot wrote: »

Depends on how ambitious I was . . I am just saying, whether Party dies tonight or tomorrow, we can at least make them sweat . .

If Party is a baddy, what benefit is it to the wolves for him to survive until after the munch . .

I am a risk taker and would be all for the village voting for party now and leaving it to the wolves to mop up our mess (if that's what it is). Why would a villager claim Q unless they wanted to be shot or munched? It means they don't want to be lynched or they want to cause confusion or have some elaborate plan that I cant work out. .

Why would the village vote PJ if we think he's Q? I would never ever bite that if playing as a wolf. They have the upper hand in this game, there aren't negotiations or forced positions we can put them in, imo.

quickbeam

sullivlo wrote: »

CCTV from PJ's gaf:

He has gone suspiciously quiet alright!!

quickbeam

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Why would the village vote PJ if we think he's Q? I would never ever bite that if playing as a wolf. They have the upper hand in this game, there aren't negotiations or forced positions we can put them in, imo.

Do we still think he's Q though? I'm sorta convinced he's not now.

Necro

quickbeam wrote: »

Because Mick had the double scenario of both jumping on Barney's idea, and, even when Barney abandoned the idea, still persisting with the no-lynch idea. I don't believe anyone else did both those things. If they did, I missed it as I was AFK a lot of the day and had a lot of reading when I got back.

In hindsight, Yoss was a better option than Trit for my FFA, but when you're asked to come up with three, you scan the players and try to remember what stood out about them and Trit's good list (mick, guffy and pj) looked very contrived considering it was so early in the game, and two of those ended up in the top two in an FFA so weird for him to clear them so soon. But Trit's anti no-vote stance meant that he might have made my FFA but he was never (probably) going to make my lynch vote that night anyway.

Funnily enough that's exactly what I did with Mick. I put him forward on my FFA with little to no intention of voting for him. Particularly when he was so adamant about the no-lynch thing. The only person on my FFA I was ever voting for was PJ. I didn't have enough evidence for anyone else to solidly vote for them.

Lord TSC

Drumpot, I feel your plan is working on the assumption people can't change their votes once registered. Since they can, it's basically a bluff to say "make a mess and leave them to clean it up"....

Drumpot

mahamageehad wrote: »

Drumpot, you said this earlier, then went and voted for no lynch. What changed?

I got the vote time wrong (again) and thought I had until 10 to vote. I voted at 6.30 because I didn't have a target at that time (that I stated in a post but was afraid of missing the vote (in another universe I got a severe reprimand for missing a vote). I was reading posts casually at 9.10 thinking I had 50 mins to choose a target (that would of been PJ most likely) and got it wrong.

I wanted us to vote tonight and didn't see the benefit of publically asking for a vote only to try and "hide" in no lynch's.

The only note I had on Mick was that he foolishly (in my view) agreed with Barney's suggestion of a no vote. But he wasn't even on my radar to be honest . .

Digital Solitude

quickbeam wrote: »

Do we still think he's Q though? I'm sorta convinced he's not now.

I'm very bloody confused

I still think there's a chance, balls to the wall is a solid tactic imo. Double bluff to make him look Wolfy, therefore lynchable. That's a game plan I would consider as Q.

mahamageehad

quickbeam wrote: »

Do we still think he's Q though? I'm sorta convinced he's not now.

Let's just say he is Q.
There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None.
Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though.
They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Drumpot

Lord TSC wrote: »

Drumpot, I feel your plan is working on the assumption people can't change their votes once registered. Since they can, it's basically a bluff to say "make a mess and leave them to clean it up"....

Its not working on any assumption other then we vote for Party for tomorrows lynch and move on talking about other things until we lose another member in the morning .

sullivlo

You know the episode of friends where they all find out about Monica and chandler? They don't know that we know that they know that we know.

Well I'm having that kind of narrative in my head about pj/q. Is he calling our bluff? Did he panic and vote mick to gain some credibility with the village? Or did I just have too much coffee today?

Necro

mahamageehad wrote:

Let's just say he is Q. There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None. Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though. They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Yep. Agree with this. The shot needs to happen so we can move onwards. We have 5 wolves to find and kill.

Drumpot

mahamageehad wrote: »

Let's just say he is Q.
There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None.
Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though.
They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Unless they think the village has the stones (or idiocy) to go through with their threat . . Remember, our shooters can sit on the sidelines and let it happen .

I think we just vote pj and say f**k it.

quickbeam

mahamageehad wrote: »

Let's just say he is Q.
There is absolutely no reason for the wolves to attack him. None.
Yes, they need him dead to win. That doesn't need to happen til the end though.
They would keep him alive to cause havoc, while steering the evening vote away from him, and slyly convincing us to not shoot him. Creates a nice smoke screen for them.

Oh no they don't!

Which means your point about them having no reason to attack him even stronger.