Tongue tie proceedure at Blackrock Clinic

jlm29

Beanybabog wrote: »

I went to Siun and it was €300 total I think- €200 was covered by health insurance. We went when she was 8
Days old. Those public waiting lists are a joke. By the time you see someone it's too late- like most tongue ties are mild but interfere with breastfeeding only. I have one myself that was never cut. It's not even that expensive- I mean new parents might not have the money but it's not as if it would be a massive cost to the HSE to facilitate it early enough to actually make a difference to breatfeeders

It's turning into an industry though, and it's not in the interests of the professionals who have the expertise to be any more efficient in the public system, because it would have a massive effect on their private enterprises

Beanybabog

Perhaps but it's still awful. My LO was referred to the hospital for a test. After 6 months waiting I called and the waiting list was still another 15 months. I went private and discovered I didn't have to pay a penny as I had insurance. Someone once told me insurance is unnneccessary for babies as the public system for kids is great but that hasn't been my experience so far

Beanybabog

Also the HSE can't promote breastfeeding while failing to provide the one little operation that's so commonly needed but has a massive impact on a woman's ability to feed. Waste of time having posters and leaflets for breastfeeding if they're sending us home with babies we can't feed

jlm29

Oh I totally agree, and it's so wrong. But I don't think it will ever change, because the people who should be pushing it, are the very ones who make €€€ from the current system

waterfaerie

Beanybabog wrote: »

Also the HSE can't promote breastfeeding while failing to provide the one little operation that's so commonly needed but has a massive impact on a woman's ability to feed. Waste of time having posters and leaflets for breastfeeding if they're sending us home with babies we can't feed

The paediatrician in the hospital told me he didn't "believe in the whole tongue tie issue". He also said, "Even if there is something there, it's not interfering with her ability to take a bottle, so there's no problem." If I hadn't got a private IBCLC, I wouldn't be breastfeeding now.

They should just stop pretending they support breastfeeding. It's a farce. They're all "supportive" until there's a problem.

The IBCLC told me that, apparently, it used to be routine for the midwives to check for ties and give them a quick snip with a scissors there and then as soon as the babies were born. It stopped happening sometime in the 70s or 80s when there was a big push for formula feeding and they deemed that it wasn't necessary anymore.

Bacchus

waterfaerie wrote: »

The paediatrician in the hospital told me he didn't "believe in the whole tongue tie issue". He also said, "Even if there is something there, it's not interfering with her ability to take a bottle, so there's no problem." If I hadn't got a private IBCLC, I wouldn't be breastfeeding now.

They should just stop pretending they support breastfeeding. It's a farce. They're all "supportive" until there's a problem.

The IBCLC told me that, apparently, it used to be routine for the midwives to check for ties and give them a quick snip with a scissors there and then as soon as the babies were born. It stopped happening sometime in the 70s or 80s when there was a big push for formula feeding and they deemed that it wasn't necessary anymore.

We were actually told that it was still the norm and tongue tie was on our radar as the plan was to breastfeed and this was flagged as a common problem. So of course we assumed all was well except there were awful problems with feeding until finally we went to a lactation consultant... one look and she said, yeah she has tongue tie, that's why you've had so many problems. We've since learned to trust our gut and get a second opinion if we think the first one was wrong.

LirW

The nurse in my GP practice went do Dr Murphy too; she said she paid 450 for her twins because they both had a tongue tie.
My girl struggled a lot with breastfeeding and I had to give up, but it seems like it's the upper lip that's actually tied. Does anyone know if Dr Murphy also does good work with lip ties since that's a bit more complicated than a tongue tie?

I'm on the public waiting list to be seen in Temple street but I'm worried that it could have influence on her teeth. It's very discouraging.

Digs

@LirW your daughter sounds like my first girl. I felt hugely let down by the system on her. Zero help with feeding and only by my own research before having my second daughter realised a lip and tongue tie are what caused huge huge hassle for feeding on #1 etc
When my second daughter was checked out the LC at the time looked at my older girl and said she had a lip and tongue tie. Her teeth have grown with huge gaps we were told it can be hereditary which is interesting as my husbands teeth are very gappy too.

My second daughter had her lip and tongue lasered by Dr Murnane which fixed all feeding issues and her teeth have grown absolutely perfectly.

I know plenty children with lip ties don't have teeth issues but in our case I can't help but feel guilt over my first daughter.

ETA: Dr Murnane is actually a dentist, hence all the talk about teeth.

LirW

I already have a boy and there were no issues, and I didn't understand why she gained no weight. And honestly I got teared apart by the PHN that my baby isn't getting enough from me, it was so disheartening.
When I told the PHN that I suspect a tied lip she asked me how I found out and good job. I just thought "isn't that your job you moron?"

I just hope for her own sake that this gets fixed soon, I'm trying to get onto everyone I can. May I ask how much you paid at Dr Murnane?

Digs

Of for gods sake Lirw, that is just not good enough from your PHN, how annoying for you. I felt we were just left to our own devices completely. Even on my second daughter who's 14 months old I had to hire a private LC and sought out ever ounce of support myself I could. I get the hospital are understaffed but if they want to claim they are pro BF they need to cop on hugely. Otherwise our BF journey would have been out the window

Dr Murnane is €250 with health insurance. I THINk it's €350 without. We went down only thinking it was a tongue tie, he found the lip tie and he lasered both for the same cost. He is extremely pro breast feeding so he and his nurse helped us there. Lasered her, I had to latch her then and wait a while to see how things went.

His follow up was exemplary also. Emails and phone calls and insisted I contact him day or night if we had an issue.

LirW

Thank you so much, I'll definitely wait for a response from Dr. Murphy and might engage contact with him then!

Sienaa

Digs wrote: »

@LirW your daughter sounds like my first girl. I felt hugely let down by the system on her. Zero help with feeding and only by my own research before having my second daughter realised a lip and tongue tie are what caused huge huge hassle for feeding on #1 etc
When my second daughter was checked out the LC at the time looked at my older girl and said she had a lip and tongue tie. Her teeth have grown with huge gaps we were told it can be hereditary which is interesting as my husbands teeth are very gappy too.

My second daughter had her lip and tongue lasered by Dr Murnane which fixed all feeding issues and her teeth have grown absolutely perfectly.

I know plenty children with lip ties don't have teeth issues but in our case I can't help but feel guilt over my first daughter.

ETA: Dr Murnane is actually a dentist, hence all the talk about teeth.

Sorry for bringing up an old tread, but Digs, I had a big gap between my front teeth due to the lip tie when I was a kid. It was released when I was about 10 or 11, new teeth were already in place. And the gap closed afterwards on its own, no need for braces. It not to late for your daughter.

mirrorwall14

Bumping an old thread here but I’m bottle feeding my three week old but I’ve noticed a few things that google tell me may be tie related - milk blister on lips; white on his tongue; Clicking when sucking;

He’s reflux’y and windy so I’m a little concerned if there is a tie that it’s contributing.

Does anyone know how this works if I’m a bottle feeder? I don’t have a lactation consultant and my PHN wasn’t great tbh. Can I self refer to one of these consultants to get properly checked for tongue/lip?

swervring

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Bumping an old thread here but I’m bottle feeding my three week old but I’ve noticed a few things that google tell me may be tie related - milk blister on lips; white on his tongue; Clicking when sucking;

He’s reflux’y and windy so I’m a little concerned if there is a tie that it’s contributing.

Does anyone know how this works if I’m a bottle feeder? I don’t have a lactation consultant and my PHN wasn’t great tbh. Can I self refer to one of these consultants to get properly checked for tongue/lip?

Hi mirrorwall,

My GP referred my daughter to Dr. Siun Murphy, I know she will only accept a referral from PHN/GP/LC but not sure if its the same for others who do the procedure. I was also bottlefeeding her at the time but was trying to get to breastfeeding.



I do think my daughter has a lip tie that was never checked for or noticed by even the specialist who snipped the tongue tie so if make sure to mention that too.

DublinCJM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Does anyone know how this works if I’m a bottle feeder? I don’t have a lactation consultant and my PHN wasn’t great tbh. Can I self refer to one of these consultants to get properly checked for tongue/lip?

Not sure if there's any difference with bottle / breast regarding tongue tie, somebody else might know. But I posted this last year, and I guess it would be an option for you if you can afford the fee. He will only do the procedure if he thinks it's necessary....

"We got our baby done privately in Camden Medical Clinic by Alan O' Reilly who came recommended by the midwife in Holles Street. http://tonguetieclinic.ie/

It costs €180, which is basically €80 to do an assessment, as he won't do the procedure unless he thinks it's required. If it's required and he performs it, it's another €100 on top. So, €180.

That was with a scissors, and it took about 30 seconds for the procedure, and we were in an out within 15 mins. He'll give you exercises to do with your baby for 4 weeks afterwards.

Our little one was fine 10 mins after it was done (stuck her on the boob), although she was a lot younger than yours (she was only about 6 or 8 weeks old).

Good luck"

mirrorwall14

DublinCJM wrote: »

Not sure if there's any difference with bottle / breast regarding tongue tie, somebody else might know. But I posted this last year, and I guess it would be an option for you if you can afford the fee. He will only do the procedure if he thinks it's necessary....

"We got our baby done privately in Camden Medical Clinic by Alan O' Reilly who came recommended by the midwife in Holles Street. http://tonguetieclinic.ie/

It costs €180, which is basically €80 to do an assessment, as he won't do the procedure unless he thinks it's required. If it's required and he performs it, it's another €100 on top. So, €180.

That was with a scissors, and it took about 30 seconds for the procedure, and we were in an out within 15 mins. He'll give you exercises to do with your baby for 4 weeks afterwards.

Our little one was fine 10 mins after it was done (stuck her on the boob), although she was a lot younger than yours (she was only about 6 or 8 weeks old).

Good luck"

Thanks for the recommendation, I assume I still need a referral for him?

DublinCJM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Thanks for the recommendation, I assume I still need a referral for him?

No, we just got a recommendation from the midwife in Holles St, but not an official referral.

ally_pally

Hi mirrorwall. We went to Alan O'Reilly as well and I'd definitely recommend him. My GP gave us his name but we didn't need a referral, just contacted him directly and made a booking. If you've any concerns at all, definitely get them checked out.

Bobsammy

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Bumping an old thread here but I’m bottle feeding my three week old but I’ve noticed a few things that google tell me may be tie related - milk blister on lips; white on his tongue; Clicking when sucking;

He’s reflux’y and windy so I’m a little concerned if there is a tie that it’s contributing.

Does anyone know how this works if I’m a bottle feeder? I don’t have a lactation consultant and my PHN wasn’t great tbh. Can I self refer to one of these consultants to get properly checked for tongue/lip?

We got our little girl's snipped by Dr Neville Wilson in Maynooth which I think might be the right area for you. We got it done in September when she was two and a half weeks old. We got a referral from the hospital but I'm sure you could just phone up.