Mother Teresa - 20 years ago

Doltanian

20 years ago on this day we said goodbye to a champion of Humanity Mother Teresa of Calcutta. She devoted her life to helping the poor and destitute, often her care was the only attention they received on their death bed. Her order of nuns continue to do great work in India and worldwide today. Her death was overshadowed by the media circus surrounding the death of Lady Diana at the time.

Two great women of charity and who had the best at heart for the poor and destitute.

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jojofizzio

"Candle in the wind" followed shortly by "Sandals in the Bin"....I know I know ,I'll burn in hell for all eternity for that..

Working class heroes

She was worse than Hitler. There, I said it.

Roger Hassenforder

Doltanian wrote: »

Two great women of charity and who had the best at heart for the poor and destitute.

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Which one is which?

Arsemageddon

This week 20 years ago I was getting seriously fvcked up in Amsterdam.

I am certain this is how Mother Theresa would like me to have marked her passing.

RayM

I have a vague memory of the British press trying to imply that she died of a broken heart as a result of Diana's death.

tupenny

Yeah she was a ****.
We know.
Were you wanting a debate?

Jim Bob Scratcher

Working class heroes wrote: »

She was worse than Hitler. There, I said it.

Condoms are worse than aids

PirateShampoo

A lovely woman who believed "The sick must suffer like Christ on the cross"

Working class heroes

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Condoms are worse than aids

You're doing it wrong.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Working class heroes wrote: »

You're doing it wrong.

Lead the way almighty one

Working class heroes

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Lead the way almighty one

Abstain baby, abstain till your wedding night or burn in hell.

Irish Praetorian

I believe Christopher Hitchens wrote a fairly scathing assessment of her work in the late 90s, sadly the name of the book escapes me.

the_pen_turner

she was probably one of the worst people to ever walk the planet and should be remembered as such

Miss Demeanour

the_pen_turner wrote: »

she was probably one of the worst people to ever walk the planet and should be remembered as such

Ah Diana wasnt that bad.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I believe Christopher Hitchens wrote a fairly scathing assessment of her work in the late 90s, sadly the name of the book escapes me.

I believe it was called The Missionary Position :pac:

Ipso

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I believe Christopher Hitchens wrote a fairly scathing assessment of her work in the late 90s, sadly the name of the book escapes me.

Was it The Missionary Position? I think he described her as a friend of poverty, not of the poor. She was also a bit pally with a Caribbean dictator (Duvalier?)

bob50

Terrible the way Mother Teresa is spoken about here

She was a saint to a lot of people in Calcutta

And was she given the freedom of the city here when she was last here?

EPAndlee

Can't believe Stewie let her over dose in the back of the car

Seth Brundle

"Mother Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross"
This and many other facts about her lack of concern for the sick and dying are detailed here...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

Fr_Dougal

She had a massive coke habit.

bob50

I was just checking

I see Mother Teresa is now known as Saint Teresa of Calcutta

i remember when she and lady Diana died The outpouring of mass hysteria and Grief when Lady Di was killed in car crash in England And Mother Teresa a few days llater the difference in media coverage of both women was totally one sided and both were were known worldwide

road_high

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I believe Christopher Hitchens wrote a fairly scathing assessment of her work in the late 90s, sadly the name of the book escapes me.

This Missionary Position!! Also there's a tv program on YouTube- I could listen to him for hours, blows the love in that is the Theresa Cult to smithereens

road_high

bob50 wrote: »

Terrible the way Mother Teresa is spoken about here

She was a saint to a lot of people in Calcutta

And was she given the freedom of the city here when she was last here?

She was a conniving fundamentalist cow...and that's the mild version of what I think of her. People here speak the truth. Vampire of Calcutta would be far more appropriate for that cretin

the_pen_turner

bob50 wrote: »

Terrible the way Mother Teresa is spoken about here

She was a saint to a lot of people in Calcutta

And was she given the freedom of the city here when she was last here?

How about posting something good that she did.

freedom of cities and being a saint mean nothing.


she would fly around in private jets , stay in 5 star villas and eat insanely expensive food, get top of the range million dollar medical treatments all while the poor and needy were starving in her hospitals, her staff would reuse needles on hundreds of patients until they could not be used anymore,
she would deny patients with insane amounts of pain any kind of pain killers .
she believed that she should lock away the sick and let them suffer in the name of religion.

Wake up to the reality of it.

kylith

Working class heroes wrote: »

She was worse than Hitler. There, I said it.

bob50 wrote: »

Terrible the way Mother Teresa is spoken about here

She was a saint to a lot of people in Calcutta

And was she given the freedom of the city here when she was last here?

She left the poor to die on palliasses without proper medication, sanitation or access to pain relief, and needles were reused until blunt. Meanwhile she pumped millions upon millions of dollars in donations (in one case that she knew to have been stolen and refused to return) into building more convents.

If I knew where her grave was I'd be sorely tempted to piss on it.

missgeri

she was a vile and evil woman who only truly cared about herself and her church.

an absolute...insert 4 letter word being with c and ending in t.

Kalimah

I saw her grave earlier this year in Calcutta. It's a very nice marble tomb in the Mother House. I thought it sat very badly with the way the people in her "hospitals" were treated. I call her the Ghoul of Calcutta. I think Christopher Hitchens might have called her that in one of his books. Or maybe it was someone else?
I have zero time for her.

lazybones32

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

KKkitty

lazybones32 wrote: »

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

As if the downtrodden in society aren't having life hard enough you have to use the phrase "dirtied their hands". Whatever anyone who is downtrodden is going through anyone that helps them shouldn't see it as dirtying their hands to assist them they see it as being a normal human being helping out another when they need it the most. If you were at your lowest point in life would anyone that helps you be dirtying their hands? Simple answer is no. Mother Teresa was put up on a pedestal. She sure as hell has been knocked off it now with the revelations of what exactly went on in her missionaries.

markodaly

The keyboard warriors are strong on this thread. All mouth, no trousers as they say in Scotland.

Irish Praetorian

markodaly wrote: »

The keyboard warriors are strong on this thread. All mouth, no trousers as they say in Scotland.

lazybones32 wrote: »

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

Yeah, before you know it we'll have novices who couldn't tell you what a stethoscope is going off on Harold Shipman...

Annasopra

lazybones32 wrote: »

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

Rejects of society? Is that how you view people?

kylith

lazybones32 wrote: »

Her work and her self is being criticised by people who probably haven't dirtied their hands with the rejects of society.

You can bet your ass that if I was being given millions to take care of the sick and dying I'd, at the very least, actually use the money to, y'know, look after them rather than let them die in slightly less squalor and not allow their family to come visit them.

Joeytheparrot

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Rejects of society? Is that how you view people?

Do you just pop up on threads all the time just for the sole purpose of getting offended :pac::pac::pac::pac:

KKkitty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you just pop up on threads all the time just for the sole purpose of getting offended :pac::pac::pac::pac:

If he is offended he has every right to be. FFS it's a horrible term to use towards a fellow human being. No one is perfect but being deemed as a reject is deplorable.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Enjoy

markodaly

RobertKK

She is such a good singer.

gctest50

Ah yes, Agnes Gonxha - the Serpent of Calcutta :

[Dr Robin Fox, editor of The Lancet, visited and reported on Mother Teresa's Calcutta work in 17 September 1994:]

'There are doctors who call in from time to time but usually the sisters and volunteers (some of whom have medical knowledge) make decisions as best they can.
I saw a young man who had been admitted in poor shape with high fever, and the drugs prescribed had been tetracycline and paracetamol. Later a visiting doctor diagnosed probable malaria and substituted chloroquine.
Could not someone have looked at a blood film? Investigations, I was told, are seldom permissible.

How about simple algorithms that might help the sisters and volunteers distinguish the curable from the incurable? Again no.

Such systematic approaches are alien to the ethos of the home. Mother Teresa prefers providence to planning; her rules are designed to prevent any drift towards materialism: the sisters must remain on equal terms with the poor.

Finally, how competent are the sisters at managing pain? On a short visit, I could not judge the power of the spiritual approach, but I was disturbed to learn the formulary includes no strong analgesics.

Along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia marks Mother Teresa's approach as clearly separate from the hospice movement. I know which I prefer.'

Your Face

Some very self-righteous comments on this thread.

Tokyo

I lived in Calcutta about 7 years ago, and volunteered with the Mother Teresa Organisation there, for six months. While there's no doubt they do good work, they certainly have the most international funding, and cherrypick how they spend it and on who. There are better organisations in Calcutta, doing a lot more with a lot less.

Donald Trump

So is it people's opinions then that it was some manifestation of Darwin's laws that a shower of thickos made the conscious decision to go to one of her hospitals or institutions when there were all these world-class alternative options that they could have gone to?

Or maybe it was the power of the Catholic Church that railroaded them into the institutions? I mean (according to wikipedia there are 0.88% Christians in Calcutta...that's without even breaking it down into Catholic/Protestant/whatever)

If you want to help great. If you don't help then that's your choice. But don't sit on your hole and belittle or scorn the people who are trying to help, regardless of whether they are doing it correctly or not, just to make yourself feel better.

lazybones32

KKkitty wrote: »

As if the downtrodden in society aren't having life hard enough you have to use the phrase "dirtied their hands". Whatever anyone who is downtrodden is going through anyone that helps them shouldn't see it as dirtying their hands to assist them they see it as being a normal human being helping out another when they need it the most. If you were at your lowest point in life would anyone that helps you be dirtying their hands? Simple answer is no. Mother Teresa was put up on a pedestal. She sure as hell has been knocked off it now with the revelations of what exactly went on in her missionaries.

Yeah...and the three words used to describe working in a calcutta slum is the greatest injustice faced. Talk is cheap.

LordSutch

the_pen_turner wrote: »

she was probably one of the worst people to ever walk the planet and should be remembered as such

Pleas explain!

My memories of her from the TV would all be very positive, helping the sick and infirm, so what's all this negative stuff about her in this thread?

Seth Brundle

LordSutch wrote: »

Pleas explain!

My memories of her from the TV would all be very positive, helping the sick and infirm, so what's all this negative stuff about her in this thread?

Read up on her.
She welcomed donations for the poor but felt the sick and dying would prefer to suffer rather than be given proper medicine.

valoren

If you preach that the sick must suffer as Christ suffered but when you yourself become gravely ill you actively seek out the best medical treatment charity money can buy to ease your suffering it negates your core message entirely. To that end, she is a hypocrite, her message an insult to Christ.

Practice what you preach and when you don't, don't be surprised when opinions towards you does a complete 180.

kylith

LordSutch wrote: »

Pleas explain!

My memories of her from the TV would all be very positive, helping the sick and infirm, so what's all this negative stuff about her in this thread?

Her 'homes for the dying' are just that; places you go to die.

That in itself wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that there is no attempt to diagnose or treat people who can be treated. If you go there with something that just needs a course of antibiotics, tough; you're still going to die. And in pain, because they don't give out painkillers and any medications they do give are injected with needles reused until they're blunt and not properly sterilised. People lie on beds on the floor which they are not allowed to leave, their families cannot visit them. The toilet facilities are a bucket in a corner; this in a place where many people have diarrhoea. Patients with TB are not isolated. People are pressured to convert to Christianity, and will be baptised without consent.

She accepted money which she refused to return when it was revealed to have been embezzeled from UK pensions. She had ties to Papa Doc Duvalier.

The woman herself said "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people".

She glorified suffering that she could have relieved with the millions which were donated to her.

Ineedaname

LordSutch wrote: »

Pleas explain!

My memories of her from the TV would all be very positive, helping the sick and infirm, so what's all this negative stuff about her in this thread?

Well for a start she was a total hypocrite. She expected the poor to suffer in the name of God. It was revealed in her letters after her death that she hadn't felt close to God for most of her adult life.

osarusan

It's hard to believe that after so many years, and so much information available about it, that people still seem ignorant of what went on in her 'hospitals' and how the money was used.

Ineedaname

osarusan wrote: »

It's hard to believe that after so many years, and so much information available about it, that people still seem ignorant of what went on in her 'hospitals' and how the money was used.

What's even more sinister is how the church broke pretty much every rule in the book to make her a saint.