Would you consider these school shoes?

freshpopcorn

A lady rang up liveline saying her son got sent home from school for wearing these to school. He didn't want to wear black shoes because they were to old fashioned for him. The school policy stated he was meant to wear black leather shoes.
In my opinion these are runners and not shoes.

Skatedude

Er, they are not shoes, so no.

Benjamin Buttons

They're slippers in my book.

Gatling

Cheap looking runners

wakka12

Look like cheap penneys plimsoles/slip on runners, definitely not appropriate school shoes

antodeco

Happened with my daughter. Was told they needed to be black shoes. Got sent home and told they are not allowed. Told the school to go and sh1te.

She was also sent home because she was wearing a jacket that wasn't the school jacket. You're only allowed to wear the school jacket in her school. Costs €120. They were also told to go and sh1te

Gaelicmam

My daughter is wearing black leather adidas runners to school this year. She was wearing black fabric converse last year.
It all depends on how strict the school is.

myshirt

Does it really justify sending the kid home?

Tin Foil Hat

Whatever clown sent a kid home from school for wearing those shoes isn't fit for working in education. Power tripping cretin.

freshpopcorn

Gaelicmam wrote: »

My daughter is wearing black leather adidas runners to school this year. She was wearing black fabric converse last year.
It all depends on how strict the school is.

It depends on the schools policy to be honest some want black footwear and others want black shoes!

Poor Uncle Tom

Cloths snobs, they're perfectly presentable, or must everyone be dressed up like some mini clone from some teachers imagination of their own personal army?

freshpopcorn

myshirt wrote: »

Does it really justify sending the kid home?

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Whatever clown sent a kid home from school for wearing those shoes isn't fit for working in education. Power tripping cretin.

It's common from my area.(Has being for the past twenty years or so) If you wear your runners to school you get sent/driven home to get your shoes! It's only really the trouble makers who go against it.
In my opinion if you uniform consists of a pair of black shoes you wear them unless there's a really good reason.
I think it's similar to wearing a tracksuit pants that's the same colour as the school trousers.

One eyed Jack

myshirt wrote: »

Does it really justify sending the kid home?

Yes, IMO. It's really not that difficult -

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The school policy stated he was meant to wear black leather shoes.

They're runners, a completely different type of footwear to shoes.

judeboy101

it is called a uniform for a reason.

Skatedude

Skatedude wrote: »

Er, they are not shoes, so no.

However, I spent my childhood and teen years wearing school uniforms and the day I left school, I burnt it.
Even the idea of wearing any uniform again put me off many jobs that i would have otherwise considered back then, And a lot of classmates felt the same.

That said, I had friends from other schools who did not have a uniform, and they often said that wearing one for a job wouldn't bother them, some even liked the idea.

I personally would love to see public school uniforms abolished.

Cortina_MK_IV

They are black with a leather upper so whoever sent the child home was an officious twat.

freshpopcorn

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Whatever clown sent a kid home from school for wearing those shoes isn't fit for working in education. Power tripping cretin.

If he went into a work place that required black shoes he'd be sent home.
It's a fairly simple request to wear black shoes and not runners.

MilesMorales1

They're trainers them. I wouldn't be bothered myself if I were the head of that school, but they're not 'school shoes' no.

freshpopcorn

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

They are black with a leather upper so whoever sent the child home was an officious twat.

Are they shoes or runners tough?

rainbowtrout

Skatedude wrote: »

I personally would love to see public school uniforms abolished.

Schools have that option and I know our students and their parents were surveyed on it in the last couple of years and they voted to keep the uniform.

colm_mcm

Those socks must look hilarious with a school uniform

retro:electro

They're black runners. In my school we all had to wear Dubarry style deck shoes. They were so strict about our uniforms. Always had to have the ties on and blazers with the school crest. But sure look those are the rules. If you allow it to slide for one child you'll have trouble on your hands. Much easier to just lay down the law.

Surreptitious

I went into work one day with a stain on my chef top and the chef ( recently made boss) started shouting did I work in Mac Donalds or something. I had to drive an hour back home to get another one and go back to work. Total power trip. On topic, some kids can't afford the shoes but having a uniform usually means adhering to it.

colm_mcm

heres how you can get the look yourself

http://ie.sportsdirect.com/lonsdale-leyton-leather-junior-trainers-092197?colcode=09219703&src=google&gclid=Cj0KCQjwub7NBRDJARIsAP7wlT8HrQvYnIorv_UBaFtbMqJIYKCm9e6Mej3xLBNN1btqGD3U7Kz7UvEaAo6oEALw_wcB

Shpudnik

colm_mcm wrote: »

Those socks must look hilarious with a school uniform

They are popular and they are stupid. I cringe when I see people with them in school

IrishTerrier42

One eyed Jack wrote: »

myshirt wrote: »

Does it really justify sending the kid home?

Yes, IMO. It's really not that difficult -

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The school policy stated he was meant to wear black leather shoes.

They're runners, a completely different type of footwear to shoes.

‘runners’ technically are shoes by definition, so If they wanted  him wearing black oxfords or whatever then they should probably have specified that. 

 

Cortina_MK_IV

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Are they shoes or runners tough?

According to Sports Direct they are school court trainers in the school shoes section.

freshpopcorn

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

‘runners’ technically are shoes by definition, so If they wanted  him wearing black oxfords or whatever then they should probably have specified that. 

 

It's generally in the policy that runners or runner type footwear is band!

One eyed Jack

Surreptitious wrote: »

I went into work one day with a stain on my chef top and the chef ( recently made boss) started shouting did I work in Mac Donalds or something. I had to drive an hour back home to get another one and go back to work. Total power trip. On topic, some kids can't afford the shoes but having a uniform usually means adhering to it.

I'm sure you meant some parents can't afford the shoes, but even for those parents there's the back to school clothing and footwear allowance of €125 for primary school, and €250 for secondary school -


Back to School Clothing and Footwear Allowance


Why the parent went on Joe Duffy to announce their annoyance at something that was completely their own responsibility, is quite frankly beyond me tbh. It's not as if they could claim they weren't told.

Surreptitious

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm sure you meant some parents can't afford the shoes, but even for those parents there's the back to school clothing and footwear allowance of €125 for primary school, and €250 for secondary school -


Back to School Clothing and Footwear Allowance


Why the parent went on Joe Duffy to announce their annoyance at something that was completely their own responsibility, is quite frankly beyond me tbh. It's not as if they could claim they weren't told.

You know exactly what I meant. I'm hardly expecting kids to be working.

freshpopcorn

By the way anybody talking about financial issues should know the mother was on holidays in Portugal at the time.

The shoes are black like it's not like they are massively distracting
Can't believe someone was sent home over it

freshpopcorn

bluewolf wrote: »

The shoes are black like it's not like they are massively distracting
Can't believe someone was sent home over it

The problem is tough they weren't shoes they were runners/trainers which weren't allowed.

wordofwarning

antodeco wrote: »

Happened with my daughter. Was told they needed to be black shoes. Got sent home and told they are not allowed. Told the school to go and sh1te.

She was also sent home because she was wearing a jacket that wasn't the school jacket. You're only allowed to wear the school jacket in her school. Costs €120. They were also told to go and sh1te

And when she is in a job and they ask her to wear a uniform. Do you think that attitude will fly?

Schools enforce this rule over the fact that generic uniforms make it easier for everyone. Jordan and Chantella will not be demanding the latest and most expensive shoes as everyone has them, if they are generic fugly black shoes.

Most schools have a school jacket rule. 99.9% don't have an issue if you remove the jacket going in the door of the school. Likewise Im sure the policy is stop children demanding expensive North Face and Canada Goose jackets off parents.

Ask any teacher about a non-uniform day. It is a ****ing nightmare for most, as the child have petty issues over what their friends are wearing. That is not an issue if everyone is wearing the same thing...

One eyed Jack

Surreptitious wrote: »

You know exactly what I meant. I'm hardly expecting kids to be working.

I do know exactly what you meant, that's why I said it. I wouldn't blame the child or the school for this situation at all, it's entirely the parents responsibility to adhere to the school policy of the school in which they chose to enrol their child.

Boom_Bap

you'd find them in the sportsware/trainers/runners section of a shop. You wouldn't find them in the old fashioned outdated uncomfortable school shoe section of the torture shop.

Technically not shoes, but why the f*ck would a school complain about them.

One eyed Jack

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

‘runners’ technically are shoes by definition, so If they wanted  him wearing black oxfords or whatever then they should probably have specified that. 

 

Be as 'technical' as you want about it. It's obvious to most people that there's a difference between shoes and runners - one is a walking shoe, the other is a running shoe, two completely different types of footwear for two completely different activities.

antodeco

wordofwarning wrote: »

And when she is in a job and they ask her to wear a uniform. Do you think that attitude will fly?

Yes. If your job requires you to wear a uniform then you are entitled to either have one provided, or you are entitled to claim it back under flat rate expenses.

"Work clothes" are different to a uniform

freshpopcorn

Boom_Bap wrote: »

you'd find them in the sportsware/trainers/runners section of a shop. You wouldn't find them in the old fashioned outdated uncomfortable school shoe section of the torture shop.

Technically not shoes, but why the f*ck would a school complain about them.

Well from my experience it was only the rough lads who used chance getting away with wearing them. When they knew it was against the rules.
They are plenty of comfy school shoes on the market now. It's not like the past.

freshpopcorn

antodeco wrote: »

Yes. If your job requires you to wear a uniform then you are entitled to either have one provided, or you are entitled to claim it back under flat rate expenses.

"Work clothes" are different to a uniform

You sign a contract at work agreeing to wear a certain uniform and in secondary school you sign a code of conduct along with your parents agreeing the same.

suicide_circus

Black leather school/church shoes. Kickers are a safe bet.
They can be teamed with some stone washed bootcut jeans when attending the teen disco covered in a full can of Lynx Africa.

Delphinium

Uniform is a basic requirement in most schools and makes life easier and, dare I say, cheaper for all. Would your child wear the same non uniform clothes day in, day out, for a school year? How many outfits would you have to buy and have a fight over in the morning.
Also, being strict on uniform and appearance is a building block for discipline. Parents are given ample time to source the requirements and they do sign a form agreeing to abide by the rules. They should encourage the child to take pride in their school and it's uniform.
Evenings and weekends, holidays all give opportunity to be individuals.

LETHAL LADY

My son's all boys school has a uniform and a black shoe policy. The majority of kids wear black trainers and very few wear black shoes. The school has been granted deis status so I suppose it's easier to leave the trivial things slide.

LordSutch

Cheap black trainers from Pennys or Dunnes?

No no no

I presume your school has a dress code.

IrishTerrier42

One eyed Jack wrote: »

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

‘runners’ technically are shoes by definition, so If they wanted  him wearing black oxfords or whatever then they should probably have specified that. 

 

Be as 'technical' as you want about it. It's obvious to most people that there's a difference between shoes and runners - one is a walking shoe, the other is a running shoe, two completely different types of footwear for two completely different activities.

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

freshpopcorn

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

The lad didn't want to wear school shoes because they were to old fashioned for him!

antodeco

freshpopcorn wrote: »

You sign a contract at work agreeing to wear a certain uniform and in secondary school you sign a code of conduct along with your parents agreeing the same.

Eh, no we didn't. Nothing was ever said about having to purchase the school jacket. This is why they were told where to go.

Nowhere in any employment contract I've ever signed does it state specific clothing.

freshpopcorn

antodeco wrote: »

Eh, no we didn't. Nothing was ever said about having to purchase the school jacket. This is why they were told where to go.

Nowhere in any employment contract I've ever signed does it state specific clothing.

I had a different experience to you then.
We signed a code of conduct in secondary school with various polices along with a uniform one.(Parents also signed it)
I worked in hotels and I generally had a policy about wear black shoes.

snowflaker

They are not shoes.

Rubber soled trainers!

FatherTed

Does wearing black leather shoes make it easier to learn algebra?

IrishTerrier42

IrishTerrier42 wrote: »

Well clearly it's not obvious to everybody, otherwise that kid's mother probably would have brought him the proper type of footwear.

It's not obvious at all. I'm not from Ireland, and have just had this thread educate me that a runner is not a shoe. Will I now be told a cat is not an animal?