Are smokers genetically predisposed to being an asshat?

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dont bother wrote: »

jaysus OP you obviously havent much to worry about.
you sound like a SJW with that type of OTT reaction to a bit of smoke coming your way OUTDOORS.

sure some people dont like hearing the horrible sound of some yoke eating up a big mayonaissey sandwich in their faces either. why would anyone ever sit outside a LONDIS to eat lunch - it's hardly the type of place you can expect a "high caliber" of clientele now is it?

do you regularly go around looking for trouble, or just with smokers?

:rolleyes:

This is a bizzare post, if I'm perfectly honest. Not wanting to breathe in someone else's manky smoke makes us snowflakes and a sjw? It's fûcking gross dude. That sloppy mayo eater you talk about isn't smearing his mayo on you or sticking it up your nose. He's not impacting on you. You have no right to blow smile all over another person who makes the decision themselves not to smoke and chooses not to smell of stale smoke. They're not precious, people like you are just selfish.

ChromeAutofill

Would smokers like it if people sprayed deoderent in their face, wouodn't think so.

Omackeral

marcus001 wrote: »

I'd say it knocks about 2-3 points off at most. Whenever I see a girl whose kind of middling to begin with and is a smoker I just think, "you're not exactly selling yourself here love".

Pretty much. Some people seriously getting up in arms here over an opinion I have about something that turns me off!

"I'm sure you're a 10 yourself". Never said I was. Distinctly average looking actually.

"Oh you rank women out of ten". I don't, a perfect 10 is just a phrase to describe someone beautiful. If I see them lighting up, it just takes away from that... for me.

"I'm sure they're devastated". Well no because it's just an internal at-a-glance thought I have.

One eyed Jack

ChromeAutofill wrote: »

Would smokers like it if people sprayed deoderent in their face, wouodn't think so.

Well, no, but surely you must be able to differentiate between someone who smokes, and someone who is just inconsiderate of other people?

There are plenty of smokers who are considerate of other people, and plenty of non-smokers who are just inconsiderate of other people too. I don't think it's necessarily whether a person smokes or not automatically means they are inconsiderate of other people.

JollyBustard

Spider Web wrote: »

I have a cigarette when drinking, so I smoke weekly (and I buy my own! I leave them in my bag for the week - I just don't enjoy them without a few drinks first) and I do agree there is an acceptance of just dropping cigarette butts on the ground, but any other littering is a no-no. Also, don't blow smoke in people's faces or light up right next to a person who is not smoking. Not many people do it, to be fair, but it's obnoxious!

Companies should limit fag breaks too - going out for five minutes every hour is too much.

But no, not all smokers are "asshats".

Heckler wrote: »

I'm a smoker.

I don't smoke around my nieces and nephews. I don't light up at bus stops unless I'm standing well away from others. When I started giving lifts to work to colleagues I asked them if it was ok for me to smoke in the car. In fairness, if they said no it would be the last lift they got but Hey I asked.

I will smoke walking down the street, sitting at any cafe, pub, restaurant etc that has either a designated smoking area or just a general outdoor area.

I don't throw butts on the ground.

Enjoy. I'm out for a fag.

I came here to say exactly this. I'm a smoker, but I've been told that I'm a 'considerate' smoker (whether that's something you allow in your lexicon or not).

I always go outside - my partner doesn't smoke, so rain or shine, whether he's there or not - smoke outside... In my own home. Walking down the road I'll smoke, can't help if someone passes by, but always take into mind factors like direction of wind, whether holding the cigarette higher than them will help (as I'm quite tall. It may look stupid, but it's my bad habit so why should they suffer even a moment of it), things like that. I'll stand away from a group of non-smoking friends as best I can, even if I'm missing the craic :rolleyes:

As for throwing the butts on the ground. If I know there's a bin on my route, I'll hold onto it. Otherwise, make sure it's fully stubbed out and back in the package. Awful, but what ya gonna do?! :P

So to answer the OP, not all smokers are 'asshats' insofar as I can tell

Pure tashte

Donald Trump wrote: »

Some fella says a stunning girl becomes unattractive, or less attractive, if they are smoking and people make snide remarks about him not being able to pull her.
I don't think you need to be able to pull a certain girl to be able to say she's otherwise very physically attractive to you but something about her makes her less so

To be fair I'd say this is most likely because that poster said something about a "10 becoming a 2", which is an incredibly moronic and immature thing to say. Maybe the poster is still in secondary school, which would make it more acceptable I suppose, but a grown man should expect to be called up on it when spouting such tripe.

Omackeral

Pure tashte wrote: »

To be fair I'd say this is most likely because that poster said something about a "10 becoming a 2", which is an incredibly moronic and immature thing to say. Maybe the poster is still in secondary school, which would make it more acceptable I suppose, but a grown man should expect to be called up on it when spouting such tripe.

Would you ever get a grip with the hyperbole there`?! A perfect 10 is a phrase people use to describe someone beautiful. That's all it was. I said when I see someone absolutely drop dead gorgeous smoking she loses all attraction in my eyes. So what? It's a viewpoint. It's personal taste. It's nothing to do with maturity or lack thereof.

osarusan

Pure tashte wrote: »

To be fair I'd say this is most likely because that poster said something about a "10 becoming a 2", which is an incredibly moronic and immature thing to say. Maybe the poster is still in secondary school, which would make it more acceptable I suppose, but a grown man should expect to be called up on it when spouting such tripe.

Perhaps it was assumed that they were spouting the PUA bullsh!t lingo of using numbers to rate people and their likely partners, but I don't think Omackeral, even if he is a Bohs fan and therefore a bastard, has a history of spouting that crap.

Omackeral

osarusan wrote: »

Perhaps it was assumed that they were spouting the PUA bullsh!t lingo of using numbers to rate people and their likely partners, but I don't think Omackeral, even if he is a Bohs fan and therefore a bastard, has a history of spouting that crap.

Ha ha thanks man. It was just really a way to illustrate that smoking is a turn off for me. If I see a girl lighting up, it's turns me off and I don't find her as hot anymore. That's honestly all I was saying. You'd swear I was going up to women saying ''ya know, if you didn't smoke you could get with this 5 foot 7, middle of the road looking, slightly overweight hunk of beef.''.

Pure tashte

Omackeral wrote: »

Ha ha thanks man. It was just really a way to illustrate that smoking is a turn off for me. If I see a girl lighting up, it's turns me off and I don't find her as hot anymore. That's honestly all I was saying. You'd swear I was going up to women saying ''ya know, if you didn't smoke you could get with this 5 foot 7, middle of the road looking, slightly overweight hunk of beef.''.

Apologies, I got the wrong end of the stick

Bambi985

Why not just say "it makes a gorgeous woman way less gorgeous" so? I'm sure you're not some PUA misogynistic prick but a "10 becomes a 2" sounds like something Jay from The Inbetweeners would say.

wakka12

Omackeral wrote: »

I dunno about any of that but anytime I see a 10 lighting up a smoke she instantly becomes a 2. It's the biggest turn off for me.

Fair enough,anyone think smoking makes somebody look hotter though? :pac:. I personally hate smoking myself but I think it looks cool when others do it

Omackeral

Bambi985 wrote: »

Why not just say "it makes a gorgeous woman way less gorgeous" so? I'm sure you're not some PUA misogynistic prick but a "10 becomes a 2" sounds like something Jay from The Inbetweeners would say.

Cos it's a turn of phrase to call someone beautiful a 10 and that's what I did. That's all. I didn't make up the phrase myself. I don't go around with scorecards. Jaysis lads, it was a throwaway opinion on a discussion forum. Y'all need to chill.

Cookie_Monster

Pelvis wrote: »

Wow, SJW comes up in the second post, new record that!

indeed, a genuinely funny and interesting thread title in AH and already ruined by post 2

Benjamin Buttons

Omackeral wrote: »

Cos it's a turn of phrase to call someone beautiful a 10 and that's what I did. That's all. I didn't make up the phrase myself. I don't go around with scorecards. Jaysis lads, it was a throwaway opinion on a discussion forum. Y'all need to chill.

Apparantly I was a '10' when I smoked, now that I've quit I must be at least '11'.......with apologies to Nigel Tufnel.

cbreeze

If I see van drivers throwing butts out of their windows onto the street outside my house I always contact the company and report the driver.

Grayson

Omackeral wrote: »

Pretty much. Some people seriously getting up in arms here over an opinion I have about something that turns me off!

"I'm sure you're a 10 yourself". Never said I was. Distinctly average looking actually.

"Oh you rank women out of ten". I don't, a perfect 10 is just a phrase to describe someone beautiful. If I see them lighting up, it just takes away from that... for me.

"I'm sure they're devastated". Well no because it's just an internal at-a-glance thought I have.

Up in arms? Don't be such a drama queen.

As for just a phrase. Tell any woman that she's a ten and you'll be letting them know exactly how shallow you are.

But if you need to justify it to make yourself feel better, go ahead. I'm going to step outside and have a cigarette.

Benjamin Buttons

Grayson wrote: »

Up in arms? Don't be such a drama queen.

As for just a phrase. Tell any woman that she's a ten and you'll be letting them know exactly how shallow you are.

But if you need to justify it to make yourself feel better, go ahead. I'm going to step outside and have a cigarette.

True enough, though tell any woman that she's a 'two' and somehow I think she'll believe that you're the shallowest of shallow men, far, far shallower than that deeply shallow man who called her a 'ten'.

What type do you smoke btw, I used to smoke B&H.

eleventh

Boom_Bap wrote:

But seriously, people smoking around me is not a bother. It wasn't too long ago where the smoking ban didn't exist and we freely went into places with people smoking freely.

I don't know about freely... it was more that we didn't have a choice. I had a parent who smoked and it was not uncommon as well to get lifts with smokers, many of whom didn't even bother opening their window. I hated that actually but at the same time just had to put up with.

The reason it bothers me these days I think is that fresh air is now the norm. It actually irritates my throat if I accidentally breathe smoke. I'm sure it wasn't good breathing it as a child either but I suppose as humans we just adapt.

Living in a city or urban area, there's a certain amount we have to overlook, annoying as it is at times.

Many smokers I think would be considerate enough, but many also would not - it's probably about 50-50. It's more the inconsiderate, 'addict' type - completely selfish and oblivious to those around them - that a thread like this would be directed at.

eleventh

MadDog76 wrote: »

If you're going around with lit sticks thinking it's going to upset smokers you're in for a shock ......... we'd probably just ask you if we can light up off your big cute matchstick!!!

The point being made there was that some smokers are completely oblivious to the smell or effect on others. You may ignore or not notice it yourself when you're a smoker standing beside another smoker. But if you were standing near to someone, let's say with really bad BO, or someone reeking of perfume that you'd smell a few metres away, on a hot day, with no breeze, that might give you an idea of what it's like. It would be multiplied a few times though because smoke spreads a good bit farther than BO would.

RagsOBrien

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

While you yourself remain a constant 10 of course.

I'm sure this poster is Brad Pitt himself, 6 ft 5 with chiselled abs- women should bow at his feet

Omackeral

Grayson wrote: »

Up in arms? Don't be such a drama queen.

As for just a phrase. Tell any woman that she's a ten and you'll be letting them know exactly how shallow you are.

But if you need to justify it to make yourself feel better, go ahead. I'm going to step outside and have a cigarette.

Drama queen? You're the one typing paragraphs and accusing me of being a shallow person based off common enough turns of phrase even though I already explained what it meant. Ok how's this, if I see a hot girl lighting up, she goes from "hot" to "not" in my book. It turns me off. Is that all ok for you there?

Potential Underachiever

To answer OP, No, I don't think there is a direct correlation between smokers being more of an 'asshat' than non smokers, tbh you as a non smoker IMO come across as a bit of an 'asshat' to be even thinking that in the first place, just because you don't smoke does not make you a superior person to a smoker.

And all those posters saying smokers should die a slow painful death etc.... Yous sound like real stand up people and obv have no friends or family that smoke at all, otherwise that would be a pretty ****ty thing to wish on someone you know and love.

Omackeral

RagsOBrien wrote: »

I'm sure this poster is Brad Pitt himself, 6 ft 5 with chiselled abs- women should bow at his feet

Must've missed when I actually said I'm not.

It was just really a way to illustrate that smoking is a turn off for me. If I see a girl lighting up, it's turns me off and I don't find her as hot anymore. That's honestly all I was saying. You'd swear I was going up to women saying ''ya know, if you didn't smoke you could get with this 5 foot 7, middle of the road looking, slightly overweight hunk of beef.''.

Getting taken out of context majorly here for having a thing that turns me off. Apologies to everyone everywhere.

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Potential Underachiever wrote: »

To answer OP, No, I don't think there is a direct correlation between smokers being more of an 'asshat' than non smokers, tbh you as a non smoker IMO come across as a bit of an 'asshat' to be even thinking that in the first place, just because you don't smoke does not make you a superior person to a smoker.

And all those posters saying smokers should die a slow painful death etc.... Yous sound like real stand up people and obv have no friends or family that smoke at all, otherwise that would be a pretty ****ty thing to wish on someone you know and love.

I think one person said that.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

eleventh wrote: »

The point being made there was that some smokers are completely oblivious to the smell or effect on others. You may ignore or not notice it yourself when you're a smoker standing beside another smoker. But if you were standing near to someone, let's say with really bad BO, or someone reeking of perfume that you'd smell a few metres away, on a hot day, with no breeze, that might give you an idea of what it's like. It would be multiplied a few times though because smoke spreads a good bit farther than BO would.

I really think a lot of smokers have no idea of just how bad they smell. Some of them really stink.

And then there are the ones who pour half a bottle of perfume over themselves to try and cover the smell. So you're knocked over by the delightful combination of sickly sweet perfume and stale cigarette every time you stand near them.

Benjamin Buttons

Omackeral wrote: »

Drama queen? You're the one typing paragraphs and accusing me of being a shallow person based off common enough turns of phrase even though I already explained what it meant. Ok how's this, if I see a hot girl lighting up, she goes from "hot" to "not" in my book. It turns me off. Is that all ok for you there?

That's better, well done you.

retro:electro

I got a laugh at the image of the op shoving a big "mayonnaisey sandwich" into their gob hole.

RagsOBrien

Pure tashte wrote: »

To be fair I'd say this is most likely because that poster said something about a "10 becoming a 2", which is an incredibly moronic and immature thing to say. Maybe the poster is still in secondary school, which would make it more acceptable I suppose, but a grown man should expect to be called up on it when spouting such tripe.

At best, it is sexist and he of course comes across as a shallow and misogynist person, reducing a 'hot' woman's value by crudely marking her- the original post has nothing to do how attractive he perceives certain women, rather inconsiderate smokers. Can we stick to the topic please? Why doesn't he post about how attractive or not as sees it, women are, in a separate thread or forum.

Smoking in people's faces is rude definitely and should be done in designated smoking areas or in the privacy of people's homes or on private property. OP is justified in being disgruntled by that.

retro:electro

RagsOBrien wrote: »

At best, it is sexist and he of course comes across as a shallow and misogynist person, reducing a 'hot' woman's value by crudely marking her- the original post has nothing to do how attractive he perceives certain women, rather inconsiderate smokers. Can we stick to the topic please? Why doesn't he post about how attractive or not as sees it, women are, in a separate thread or forum.

Smoking in people's faces is rude definitely and should be done in designated smoking areas or in the privacy of people's homes or on private property. OP is justified in being disgruntled by that.

If you saw an attractive woman doing something you considered disgusting, wouldn't her attraction be reduced in your eyes? By virtue of the disgusting act, she'd become less attractive to you. He just added numbers to pimp up his point. Stop being hysterical about it.

RagsOBrien

anna080 wrote: »

If you saw an attractive woman doing something you considered disgusting, wouldn't her attraction be reduced in your eyes? By virtue of the disgusting act, she'd become less attractive to you. He just added numbers to pimp up his point. Stop being hysterical about it.

No because I have respect for women and men and don't rate them on 1-10 scales for attractiveness- that is juvenile, sexist and frankly, I am astonished you are defending this. He is being called out on making very inappropriate comments in the thread. Hardly being hysterical- it's calling out on sexist remarks which you think are ok seemingly.

retro:electro

RagsOBrien wrote: »

No because I have respect for women and men and don't rate them on 1-10 scales for attractiveness- that is juvenile, sexist and frankly, I am astonished you are defending this. He is being called out on making very inappropriate comments in the thread. Hardly being hysterical- it's calling out on sexist remarks which you think are ok seemingly.

He already explained the number thing. If someone does something gross they become less attractive to us. Hardly breaking news.

RagsOBrien

anna080 wrote: »

He already explained the number thing. If someone does something gross they become less attractive to us. Hardly breaking news.

Wow.

Giblet

The concept of Outside isn't a monopoly held by smokers so cop on with your "Go Inside" arguments, it's fecking warm out and it's nice to be outside. Except when the usual smokers lights up upstream because they can't control themselves. I wouldn't care too much though, if they could stop throwing their fag ends in the street though. Oh no-one does it but nowadays the only rubbish in the street is fag butts and it's horrible. I can only guess that the nicotine has caused some sort of infantile regression where they think the rules don't apply to them. I'm all for massive fines.

retro:electro

Smokers have as much right to be outside smoking as we have to be outside eating sandwiches. It's a shared space. The one with the problem should move. Simple.

fizzypish

Omackeral wrote: »

Getting taken out of context majorly here for having a thing that turns me off. Apologies to everyone everywhere.

lol. In general, take a look at any thread of more than 5 pages. Count how many times it gets dragged drastically off topic by a turn of phrase or a misinterpreted/badly articulated point or by general sniping. I can sometimes spend 10 minutes writing a post if the topic warrants it only to have someone find issue with some aspect of it and every time it happens, I put on my open mind hat and god dammit, thats not what I meant but I see how it came out that way.

I smoke a pipe and the only comments I get is that its unusual and that it smells nice.... but I can understand how someone want me to die slowly screaming..... I think....

Potential Underachiever

Jaziel Fat Soup wrote: »

I think one person said that.

Still one person too many

Pelvis

anna080 wrote: »

Smokers have as much right to be outside smoking as we have to be outside eating sandwiches.

No one said they didn't.

retro:electro

Pelvis wrote: »

No one said they didn't.

Am I having a stroke? I could have sworn you started this thread giving out about a disgusting smoker who dared to light up a ciggie in your space.

Pelvis

anna080 wrote: »

Am I having a stroke? I could have sworn you started this thread giving out about a disgusting smoker who dared to light up a ciggie in your space.

You're not having a stroke, you're just lacking basic comprehension skills. I've no issues with people smoking outside, and have not questioned their right to do so. I do have an issue with someone who decides to smoke next to me, a non-smoker, when there is ample space in the vicinity to do so without impacting on other people.

Kinda like sitting next to someone on a empty bus, you're free to do it, but you'd be a moron.

retro:electro

Pelvis wrote: »

You're not having a stroke, you're just lacking basic comprehension skills. I've no issues with people smoking outside, and have not questioned their right to do so. I do have an issue with someone who decides to smoke next to me, a non-smoker, when there is ample space in the vicinity to do so without impacting on other people.

Kinda like sitting next to someone on a empty bus, you're free to do it, but you'd be a moron.

It's Londis, im sure there weren't many tables about. 1 metre away is perfectly acceptable smoking distance. Get over yourself.

Pelvis

anna080 wrote: »

It's Londis, im sure there weren't many tables about. 1 metre away is perfectly acceptable smoking distance. Get over yourself.

There's about 7 tables, spanning about 40 feet. I was the only one sitting outside at the time.

Spider Web

Smokers should try to smoke as far away from non smokers as they can - including when outside. I have a smoke now and again myself and don't take issue with this.

Can't stand that rating women out of 10 thing - I know not all guys who do it have a terrible attitude towards women and don't all mean to be so derogatory but it is the preserve of woman-hating psychos like Return Of Kings.

Ragnar Lothbrok

I'm a heavy smoker. I realise that makes me some kind of neo-nazi in some people's eyes but there's not much I can do about their opinion unfortunately. I NEVER drop my butts on the floor - I flick off the end and then carry the remains in my pockets until I find a bin - I even do this when I'm driving.

By nature, I'm very easy-going and non-confrontational. I'd go as far as to say I have a particular talent for mediating and can generally manage to mend bridges when the need arises.

However............ after reading all of this thread, I have now decided that all non-smokers should be locked into a big, windowless room, surrounded by a small, dedicated crowd of smokers and forced to inhale our second hand smoke.

And just for the hell of it, they should be arranged by levels of attractiveness, obviously on the 1-10 scale.

Am I an ass-hat?

fizzypish

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Am I an ass-hat?

Naw but you did elect to go hunting for bears in the nip covered in honey.

MadDog76

anna080 wrote: »

Smokers have as much right to be outside smoking as we have to be outside eating sandwiches. It's a shared space. The one with the problem should move. Simple.

Post of the Thread ........... that's it in a nutshell.

It's the militant non-smokers that are coming across as a5sholes on this thread.

MadDog76

anna080 wrote: »

Smokers have as much right to be outside smoking as we have to be outside eating sandwiches. It's a shared space. The one with the problem should move. Simple.

Pelvis wrote: »

No one said they didn't.

Pelvis wrote: »

You're not having a stroke, you're just lacking basic comprehension skills. I've no issues with people smoking outside, and have not questioned their right to do so. I do have an issue with someone who decides to smoke next to me, a non-smoker, when there is ample space in the vicinity to do so without impacting on other people.

Kinda like sitting next to someone on a empty bus, you're free to do it, but you'd be a moron.

Anna also said "It's a shared space. The one with the problem should move. Simple." and that's absolutely the correct attitude to have ........... if I was having a cigarette near enough to you to be disgusted by your open-mouth devouring of a sloppy sandwich I'd berate you and leave you in no doubt that you should choke to death on your disgusting lunch of choice as your are a vile human being move.

Yakult

Some smokers are considerate, I know I am or try to be. I try not to spark up in public places too often, but if I'm relaxing in an area where smoking is aloud and you are bothered by it, then feel free to make a complaint to management. I have as much right as you do to be there and doing what is legal. Stay inside if it bothers you where smoking is prohibited.

I hate the smell of fumes from all the cars and traffic, but if I want to avoid it I don't go into the city..... and then complain!

Omackeral

RagsOBrien wrote: »

No because I have respect for women and men and don't rate them on 1-10 scales for attractiveness- that is juvenile, sexist and frankly, I am astonished you are defending this. He is being called out on making very inappropriate comments in the thread. Hardly being hysterical- it's calling out on sexist remarks which you think are ok seemingly.

This is literally the 4th time I've had to say this. Saying someone is a perfect 10 was a turn of bloody phrase. Is it that hard to grasp? It's a saying. If I see someone sparking up it instantly turns me off, so what?! I'm allowed have thoughts. Do I say anything to them? No. Does it affect anyone's day? No. In my own personal internal thoughts it brings someone from hot to not, that's all I meant and that's all that was implied. 10 to a 2 is a synonym, in this case, for hot to not. It's no simpler than that. I'm far from shallow, I'm far from sexist, I'm far from misogynistic. I find women smoking a turn off for me. Just for me. I don't verbalise it to anyone. It's none of my business. I am, however, allowed to have thoughts. If you can't comprehend any of that, then I honestly have no simpler way of explaining it.

feargale

MickDoyle1979 wrote: »

It says "Smoking Kills" and has pictures of the medical horrors of smoking on the packaging. They can see the money draining from their bank account - how much will a pack go up in the in next budget? For decades there have been anti smoking adverts and we all know people have died of lung cancer or are wheezing their way to an early grave.

Anyone who smokes is a moron and they deserve their horrible death.

They have no excuse.

No pity or sympathy for anyone who smokes.

As a once heavy smoker who hasn't smoked for decades I find your post disgusting. I'm sure smokers will manage fine without your sympathy. But a modicum of decency wouldn't go astray.