Are you leaving Ireland because of the Housing Crisis?

listermint

Divelment wrote: »

How convenient!!! Yes they are "asylum seekers"... There is a whole block reserved for them in The Beacon South Quarter up in Sandyford. Nice if you can get it, meanwhile anyone who wants to live in the block next door can expect to pony up 2,000 Euro a month rent for a 2 bed apartment.

So much lols it's incredible.

Theres a whole block in one of the most sought after areas for workers in South Dublin reserved for asylum seekers.

Just.... I mean..

LirW

Don't put asylum seekers on the same level as Non-nationals because they are here for a variety of reasons, mainly work. Then what's the proportion of asylum seekers living in Dublin statistically to the rest of the population in Dublin?

ThisRegard

listermint wrote: »

So much lols it's incredible.

Theres a whole block in one of the most sought after areas for workers in South Dublin reserved for asylum seekers.

Just.... I mean..

Must be a pain in the ass for them when they all get stuck in the lift door with their free prams. Just as well they can abandon them and get new ones the next day.

Divelment

listermint wrote: »

So much lols it's incredible.

Theres a whole block in one of the most sought after areas for workers in South Dublin reserved for asylum seekers.

Just.... I mean..

What's your point? You obviously think it's normal to hand out blocks of apartments to asylum seekers many of whom are not asylum seekers at all but are merely economic migrants. Developed countries like Australia, they don't run with any of this because they know that for their society to function properly, they have to carefully balance resources like housing and healthcare, transport and education, with the number of people living in the country.

We failed to do this, so therefore we have a crisis in every single one of the above areas. It's really simple.

strandroad

Wherever you're planning to go OP I'm sure the locals never complain about non nationals, and they have your housing and healthcare all ready for you.

Divelment wrote: »

What's your point? You obviously think it's normal to hand out blocks of apartments to asylum seekers many of whom are not asylum seekers at all but are merely economic migrants. Developed countries like Australia, they don't run with any of this because they know that for their society to function properly, they have to carefully balance resources like housing and healthcare, transport and education, with the number of people living in the country.

I'm not sure how to break it to you gently, but you are an economic migrant too...

Divelment

strandroad wrote: »

Wherever you're planning to go OP I'm sure the locals never complain about non nationals, and they have your housing and healthcare all ready for you.

Another person too lazy to read the thread!

Solomon Pleasant

NIMAN wrote: »

I have experienced people in London, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, Munich.....there's very grumpy gits all over the world.

And to answer your original question, no I'm staying in Ireland. I love my life up here in Donegal. No housing crisis for me. Lots of very friendly people about too.

That's interesting, what exactly do you love about life in Donegal? There's generally a lack of services in smaller villages, public transport is shocking, the county had the highest unemployment rate in the country during the recession, always found the people fairly smug, it doesn't have a university even remotely close to it in Irish terms and so on.

ZeroThreat

Shocking racism displayed by the OP here. Totally, totally unacceptable.

Divelment

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Shocking racism displayed by the OP here. Totally, totally unacceptable.

IT IS NOT RACIST TO SAY THAT YOUR COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE SERIOUS PLANNING IN PLACE IF IT IS HUGELY INCREASING THE POPULATION WITHIN A SHORT SPACE OF TIME!!! HOW IS THAT RACIST?!?!?!?!?

LirW

"I'm not racist but the "asylum seekers" in Sandymount get everything handed for free!!!!!!11"

Well, good luck in Edinburgh to the OP really, I genuinely hope he finds what he's looking for there. May he never be in the situation that he needs help from the welfare net in Scotland which would made him exactly what he obviously despises so much.

ThisRegard

ZeroThreat wrote: »

Shocking racism displayed by the OP here. Totally, totally unacceptable.

He did once advocate for the setting up of a right wing political party, and it's not the first time he's expressed these views on immigration, so it's to be expected that he has ulterior motives.

I suspect he won't be emigrating. The thread is just a Trojan horse.

LirW

Divelment wrote: »

IT IS NOT RACIST TO SAY THAT YOUR COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE SERIOUS PLANNING IN PLACE IF IT IS HUGELY INCREASING THE POPULATION WITHIN A SHORT SPACE OF TIME!!! HOW IS THAT RACIST?!?!?!?!?

The population mainly increased rapidly due to the creation of jobs in the recent years. Many multinationals have bases in Dublin and are constantly looking for multilingual work force, preferably young and flexible.
The biggest "minority" in Ireland are by the way the Polish. Hardly the asylum seekers in Sandymount.

OP, chill out, grab a cup of tea and stop molesting the Captain Caps.

Divelment

LirW wrote: »

"I'm not racist but the "asylum seekers" in Sandymount get everything handed for free!!!!!!11"

Well, good luck in Edinburgh to the OP really, I genuinely hope he finds what he's looking for there. May he never be in the situation that he needs help from the welfare net in Scotland which would made him exactly what he obviously despises so much.

I have no problem with us helping asylum seekers and opening our borders to non nationals from non EU countries, if it is done in a properly planned way and where the consequence of us helping them and inviting them here does not result in the wholesale upending of our housing stock, healthcare system, education system, and transport system.

The policy that we have allowed this government to follow, which has been to invite anyone here from anywhere and then "ah sure we'll work it out after they get here", that policy has been a complete and total failure and the fact that we have such a severe housing crisis, healthcare crisis, transport crisis and education crisis, is the most stark evidence of that policy failure that you will ever find. You are refusing to look at what is straight in front of your face.

enricoh

The guy that was recently elected mayor of limerick was lambasted for saying limerick city wouldnt have a social housing crisis only for the fact that non nationals were milking the system. I doubt dublin is any different

A major factor in companies relocating out of london n not picking dublin is the lack of accommodation n sky high rents.
Not attracting highly paid professionals and housing + paying dole to other countries bums indefinitely is the way to future prosperity apparently! Who knows as they spread the word back home we might get even more?!!

Divelment

LirW wrote: »

"I'm not racist but the "asylum seekers" in Sandymount get everything handed for free!!!!!!11"

Well, good luck in Edinburgh to the OP really, I genuinely hope he finds what he's looking for there. May he never be in the situation that he needs help from the welfare net in Scotland which would made him exactly what he obviously despises so much.

I didn't once say they "get handed everything for free". Please quote me properly if you are going to bother your arse quoting me at all. What I said was that the is a block set aside for asylum seekers in Sandyford Beacon South Quarter. The adjoining block is seeking rent of 2,000 Euro a month for a 2 bed apartment which many people working in the area would find completely unaffordable, yet we put asylum seekers who we do not allow to work, in the building next door. This is simply unacceptable to me as a citizen.

strandroad

LirW wrote: »

"I'm not racist but the "asylum seekers" in Sandymount get everything handed for free!!!!!!11"

Well, good luck in Edinburgh to the OP really, I genuinely hope he finds what he's looking for there. May he never be in the situation that he needs help from the welfare net in Scotland which would made him exactly what he obviously despises so much.

Surely he can't be thinking of Edinburgh, they have a housing crisis over there too. They are not ready for his arrival.
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/private-renters-and-young-worst-hit-by-housing-crisis-1-4524092

Divelment

enricoh wrote: »

The guy that was recently elected mayor of limerick was lambasted for saying limerick city wouldnt have a social housing crisis only for the fact that non nationals were milking the system. I doubt dublin is any different

A major factor in companies relocating out of london n not picking dublin is the lack of accommodation n sky high rents.
Not attracting highly paid professionals and housing + paying dole to other countries bums indefinitely is the way to future prosperity apparently! Who knows as they spread the word back home we might get even more?!!

The majority of applicants on the Fingal local authority housing list at one stage not that long ago were non-EU nationals. But let's keep on codding ourselves that this has absolutely nothing to do with this housing crisis.

Source: http://www.herald.ie/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html

listermint

enricoh wrote: »

The guy that was recently elected mayor of limerick was lambasted for saying limerick city wouldnt have a social housing crisis only for the fact that non nationals were milking the system. I doubt dublin is any different

A major factor in companies relocating out of london n not picking dublin is the lack of accommodation n sky high rents.
Not attracting highly paid professionals and housing + paying dole to other countries bums indefinitely is the way to future prosperity apparently! Who knows as they spread the word back home we might get even more?!!

Being elected a mayor doesn't make someone any less of a f***, *g edgit.

listermint

Divelment wrote: »

The majority of applicants on the Fingal local authority housing list at one stage not that long ago were non-EU nationals. But let's keep on codding ourselves that this has absolutely nothing to do with this housing crisis.

Source: http://www.herald.ie/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html

It doesnt.


We had a credit crash.

You are clueless. Stop blaming immigrants and start looking for actual causes.

Jesus will you read a book or five.

ThisRegard

listermint wrote: »

Being elected a mayor doesn't make someone any less of a f***, *g edgit.

Based on the last few Dublin ones, it's a requirement.

Divelment

strandroad wrote: »

Surely he can't be thinking of Edinburgh, they have a housing crisis over there too. They are not ready for his arrival.
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/private-renters-and-young-worst-hit-by-housing-crisis-1-4524092

They are building everywhere though and there is plenty of availability outside the city itself. What is happening here in Dublin is different altogether, even in the suburbs there is no availability, not the case in Edinburgh.

marcus001

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

Is it not ironic that your giving out about foreigners and now your off to another country for a better life taking a place and pushing up prices for the locals there ??

He's not giving out about foreigners he's clearly giving out about poor infrastructure.

listermint

Divelment wrote: »

They are building everywhere though and there is plenty of availability outside the city itself. What is happening here in Dublin is different altogether, even in the suburbs there is no availability, not the case in Edinburgh.

Enjoy it, ive found its a smaller city not any less expensive than Dublin. I've a very good friend who moved there and owns a house.

Different make up to Dublin doesn't have a tech or financial hub so attracts different rents.

I suppose you could say it's a totally different place..

listermint

marcus001 wrote: »

He's not giving out about foreigners he's clearly giving out about poor infrastructure.

He's not. Read the posts and the history...

Divelment

listermint wrote: »

It doesnt.


We had a credit crash.

You are clueless. Stop blaming immigrants and start looking for actual causes.

Jesus will you read a book or five.

I simply said that inviting people here without having a housing plan for them and a plan to grow your infrastructure in areas like health, transport, education, etc, is shockingly poor policy and has substantially contributed to the size and scale of the problem.

Many other countries have now started working out this very simple relationship between demand and supply that needs to be much better managed now to keep their societies intact, simple stuff that you really seem to be struggling with tonight.

Michael D Not Higgins

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