Prince William and Harry ad the Common Man

bobbyss

What lives they lead. William used to fly a helicopter I believe but has given that up. I am not sure what Harry does. Seems strange when William 'dresses up' in military regalia with what appears to be full medals.

There was a programme on tv a while back about volunteers building a housing scheme for charity and both made a flying visit. William seemed mortified to be there. He seemed not to be able to connect with them at all.

Among real working people, some of whom may have real medals after serving in a war, I wonder how they feel?

Richard Hillman

William used to work as a search and rescue pilot.

Considering we rightfully championed our lost coastguard pilots who died recently for their amazing work, why not William? Just because he is high-born?

njs030

The helicopter wiilliam used to fly was a search and rescue over the Irish sea similar to the one that was lost off the coast of mayo recently and he was involved in rescuing quite a few drowning people.
He was called out in the middle of the night the same as anyone else and his wife helped out the same as any other.
He donated his wages to charity.

mattser

Some people should not have to look across the Irish Sea for what they believe to be a disconnect between those in office, and their public.
The royal brothers are well in touch with their public, and a fine example for their country.

The_Valeyard

bobbyss wrote: »

I am not sure what Harry does

He is doing that young one from Suits.

humberklog

Harry was an Army Air Force pilot, got his wings '10 and passed his Apache training a year later. Served 20 weeks as Apache co-pilot/gunner in Afghanistan.
There was a pretty good doc made which followed him around at the time.

I think previously to being a pilot he was a Sapper.

10 years service all the same.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

They both seem extremely well adjusted young men. William served over 7 years in the RAF. Harry was in the army for 10 years, including two tours of Afghanistan. His work with injured servicemen is to be applauded. I don't pay them much attention but any time they have been shown working with, or meeting, the public they have seemed to be very much connected with the projects and genuinely interested.

Your Face

Not my country.

bobbyss

I don't know to what extent Harry was engaged with enemy hostility when on his tour. Praiseworthy indeed of William's involvement in rescue. I do wonder whether he would have been as involved as your ordinary Joe Soap helicopter rescue officer and facing the same dangers night and day and in all weathers. He is heir after all.
Anyone know what both of them are doing now ?

OU812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwjGDl38Fgw

corner of hells

bobbyss wrote: »

I don't know to what extent Harry was engaged with enemy hostility when on his tour. Praiseworthy indeed of William's involvement in rescue. I do wonder whether he would have been as involved as your ordinary Joe Soap helicopter rescue officer and facing the same dangers night and day and in all weathers. He is heir after all.
Anyone know what both of them are doing now ?

I heard all William flew were little remote control helicopters and the closet Harry got to combat was playing with his Action Man figures.
Is this the answers you want ?

bobbyss

corner of hells wrote:

I heard all William flew were little remote control helicopters and the closet Harry got to combat was playing with his Action Man figures. Is this the answers you want ?

I don't really know if they were both exposed to the same conditions and experiences as regular soldiers and helicopter officers. They are royals. It would be very impressive if they both were.

Suckit

notjustsweet wrote: »

The helicopter wiilliam used to fly was a search and rescue over the Irish sea similar to the one that was lost off the coast of mayo recently and he was involved in rescuing quite a few drowning people.
He was called out in the middle of the night the same as anyone else and his wife helped out the same as any other.
He donated his wages to charity.

He only flew between 50-80 hours a month (compared to 160 -180) before he retired at 34 or 35. He was not called out the same as any other, due to his Royal Duties and charities that he was involved in.
I do not know about donating his wages, but to be honest, it is unlikely he will need them with all of the free money his family get anyway.

I am not putting him or them down, i could not care about them, but do not build him up with untruths or incorrect facts. They hardly need a higher pedestal.

Are Am Eye

But still you'll never get it right 
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching 'roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all. 

bobbyss

Suckit wrote: »

He only flew between 50-80 hours a month (compared to 160 -180) before he retired at 34 or 35. He was not called out the same as any other, due to his Royal Duties and charities that he was involved in.
I do not know about donating his wages, but to be honest, it is unlikely he will need them with all of the free money his family get anyway.

I am not putting him or them down, i could not care about them, but do not build him up with untruths or incorrect facts. They hardly need a higher pedestal.

That's interesting about the hours. So he wasn't as fully engaged as other officers.

njs030

Suckit wrote: »

He only flew between 50-80 hours a month (compared to 160 -180) before he retired at 34 or 35. He was not called out the same as any other, due to his Royal Duties and charities that he was involved in.
I do not know about donating his wages, but to be honest, it is unlikely he will need them with all of the free money his family get anyway.

I am not putting him or them down, i could not care about them, but do not build him up with untruths or incorrect facts.

It sounds like you care quite a lot if you go to the extent of correcting people online tbh.

Can you prove that about his hours from a reliable source please?

I said he was called out during the night the same as any other - I doubt any other search and rescue pilot is 2nd in line to the throne and also has those duties to perform so I think it can be excused that he had a second job to do.
There was multiple weddings and royal events he missed and his wife attended with Prince harry instead because he was working.


I find it it strange people seem to want to put him down just because of who he is instead of being glad he made an effort to help for the few years he had a chance before his royal duties took over his life.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739000/amp/Prince-William-flies-rescue-woman-fighting-life.html


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/royal/809605/prince-william-air-ambulance-drowning-teenager-cheshunt-lee-valley-park/amp

http://www.thejournal.ie/prince-william-involved-in-irish-sea-rescue-mission-290514-Nov2011/

Are Am Eye

I can picture him in a mad dash out of buckingham palace at 4am. Getting dressed as he runs and trips. Katie shouts after him. " no time to explain love. Duty calls. A small child and his puppy are in danger" "oh, throw me down the helicoptor keys"

humberklog

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I can picture him in a mad dash out of buckingham palace at 4am. Getting dressed as he runs and trips. Katie shouts after him. " no time to explain love. Duty calls. A small child and his puppy are in danger" "oh, throw me down the helicoptor keys"

I think your mixing the
RAF Air Sea Rescue up with the RNLI.

Suckit

notjustsweet wrote: »

It sounds like you care quite a lot if you go to the extent of correcting people online tbh.

Can you prove that about his hours from a reliable source please?

I said he was called out during the night the same as any other - I doubt any other search and rescue pilot is 2nd in line to the throne and also has those duties to perform so I think it can be excused that he had a second job to do.
There was multiple weddings and royal events he missed and his wife attended with Prince harry instead because he was working.


I find it it strange people seem to want to put him down just because of who he is instead of being glad he made an effort to help for the few years he had a chance before his royal duties took over his life.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739000/amp/Prince-William-flies-rescue-woman-fighting-life.html


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/royal/809605/prince-william-air-ambulance-drowning-teenager-cheshunt-lee-valley-park/amp

http://www.thejournal.ie/prince-william-involved-in-irish-sea-rescue-mission-290514-Nov2011/

Not caring about them, and correcting somebodys incorrect information are not the same thing.

I did not read your links, as i can see by the titles they are just stories about him flying to a rescue. Nor will I trawl for some that you may deem to be a reliable source.
He was given the position, he did not necessarily earn it, nor was he proven to be more qualified than others that went for the same position, but that could be applied the World over.
He did fly and he was involved in some rescue missions. He was not flying the same hours as the other pilots and his Grandmother gave him a helicopter as a gift, worth around €12m at the time (if i remember correctly) - that will be the wages sorted.

He seems like a great bloke, and i hope he has a good life. He is far more likely to be remembered than Jeremy Murphy in years to come. As i said, i do not wish to put him down. But i do not see the need to embellish his CV.

njs030

Suckit wrote: »

Not caring about them, and correcting somebodys incorrect information are not the same thing.

I did not read your links, as i can see by the titles they are just stories about him flying to a rescue. Nor will trawl for some that you may deem to be a reliable source.
He was given the position, he did not necessarily earn it, nor was he proven to be more qualified than others that went for the same position, but that could be applied the World over.
He did fly and he was involved in some rescue missions. He was not flying the same hours as the other pilots and his Grandmother gave him a helicopter as a gift, worth around €12m at the time (if i remember correctly) - that will be the wages sorted.

He seems like a great bloke, and i hope he has a good life. He is far more likely to be remembered than Jeremy Murphy in years to come. As i said, i do not wish to put him down. But i do not see the need to blemish his CV.

So basically you've no proof of your claims. OK.

The Backwards Man

I'd love to the fervour you put into something you actually do care about.

B.A._Baracus

notjustsweet wrote: »

The helicopter wiilliam used to fly was a search and rescue over the Irish sea similar to the one that was lost off the coast of mayo recently and he was involved in rescuing quite a few drowning people.
He was called out in the middle of the night the same as anyone else and his wife helped out the same as any other.
He donated his wages to charity.

I don't belive that.

This is the royals we're talking about here. Many a story printed about how down to earth they are etc. All balls and pr.

I say the helicopter thing is blown out. Like he did it for 3 week's but twisted like he did it for 3 years.

bobbyss

When I hear William and Harry talk about their experiences in rescue and the military I would ask myself were the heirs to the throne out in dark, thundering seas rescuing sailors and on the front line under direct fire? Just like their colleagues would have been

Cloudio9

humberklog wrote: »

passed his Apache training a year later. Served 20 weeks as Apache co-pilot/gunner in Afghanistan.
There was a pretty good doc made which followed him around at the time.

As Frankie Boyle said: "what better way to teach Afghani civilians about democracy than have a prince machine-gun them from a helicopter"

Suckit

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'd love to the fervour you put into something you actually do care about.

Will try more

DEFTLEFTHAND

My mother met Prince Harry at a function in London a few years back. She was involved in Amnesty International at the time.

Any chance she gets she goes on about it. She loves the Royal Family and worshiped his mother.

I suppose every girl dreams of being a Princess.

bobbyss

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

My mother met Prince Harry at a function in London a few years back. She was involved in Amnesty International at the time.

Any chance she gets she goes on about it. She loves the Royal Family and worshiped his mother.

I suppose every girl dreams of being a Princess.

Just pass the bucket here real quick.

AlekSmart

bobbyss wrote: »

What lives they lead. William used to fly a helicopter I believe but has given that up. I am not sure what Harry does. Seems strange when William 'dresses up' in military regalia with what appears to be full medals.

There was a programme on tv a while back about volunteers building a housing scheme for charity and both made a flying visit. William seemed mortified to be there. He seemed not to be able to connect with them at all.

Among real working people, some of whom may have real medals after serving in a war, I wonder how they feel?

bobbyss wrote: »

I don't know to what extent Harry was engaged with enemy hostility when on his tour. Praiseworthy indeed of William's involvement in rescue. I do wonder whether he would have been as involved as your ordinary Joe Soap helicopter rescue officer and facing the same dangers night and day and in all weathers. He is heir after all.
Anyone know what both of them are doing now ?

bobbyss wrote: »

I don't really know if they were both exposed to the same conditions and experiences as regular soldiers and helicopter officers. They are royals. It would be very impressive if they both were.

bobbyss wrote: »

When I hear William and Harry talk about their experiences in rescue and the military I would ask myself were the heirs to the throne out in dark, thundering seas rescuing sailors and on the front line under direct fire? Just like their colleagues would have been

bobbyss wrote: »

Just pass the bucket here real quick.

You posed several rhetorical questions,secured a few equivocal answers,none of which offered much in the way of bile,and or,awareness of the ever present class struggle...and now you ask for a Bucket ?

Ah come on now....What answers would have wrapped up the thread neatly for you ?

corner of hells

AlekSmart wrote: »

bobbyss wrote: »

What lives they lead. William used to fly a helicopter I believe but has given that up. I am not sure what Harry does. Seems strange when William 'dresses up' in military regalia with what appears to be full medals.

There was a programme on tv a while back about volunteers building a housing scheme for charity and both made a flying visit. William seemed mortified to be there. He seemed not to be able to connect with them at all.

Among real working people, some of whom may have real medals after serving in a war, I wonder how they feel?

bobbyss wrote: »

I don't know to what extent Harry was engaged with enemy hostility when on his tour. Praiseworthy indeed of William's involvement in rescue. I do wonder whether he would have been as involved as your ordinary Joe Soap helicopter rescue officer and facing the same dangers night and day and in all weathers. He is heir after all.
Anyone know what both of them are doing now ?

bobbyss wrote: »

I don't really know if they were both exposed to the same conditions and experiences as regular soldiers and helicopter officers. They are royals. It would be very impressive if they both were.

bobbyss wrote: »

When I hear William and Harry talk about their experiences in rescue and the military I would ask myself were the heirs to the throne out in dark, thundering seas rescuing sailors and on the front line under direct fire? Just like their colleagues would have been

bobbyss wrote: »

Just pass the bucket here real quick.

You posed several rhetorical questions,secured a few equivocal answers,none of which offered much in the way of bile,and or,awareness of the ever present class struggle...and now you ask for a Bucket ?

Ah come on now....What answers would have wrapped up the thread neatly for you ?

Brits out , maybe ?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

bobbyss wrote: »

Just pass the bucket here real quick.

What do you want? Us all to lambast the two of them as useless good for nothing wastes of space?

B.A._Baracus

Elaine Mealy Self-defense wrote: »

What do you want? Us all to lambast the two of them as useless good for nothing wastes of space?

I do :pac:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I do :pac:

Tough so.

B.A._Baracus

Elaine Mealy Self-defense wrote: »

Tough so.

Geez its just a bloody joke lighten up man

Why don't you go off any marry them since you're in love :pac:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Geez its just a bloody joke lighten up man

Why don't you go off any marry them since you're in love :pac:

A. They are straight

B. I'm already married

C. I'm nearly old enough to be their grandfather.

D. One of them is already married.

E. My granddaughter would kill me.

F. I'm not that pushed about them but just see no harm in them.

bilston

bobbyss wrote: »

That's interesting about the hours. So he wasn't as fully engaged as other officers.

So is that the answer you were looking for?

gifted

I've got great time for those two lads....they've had cameras in their bloody faces for every day of their lives...the press hounded their mum right up to and after her unfortunate death. They owe nothing to anyone, they come across as decent ordinary people who care for people.

blueser

Quick question to the OP; if it isn't just another excuse to have a pop at the royals on AH, why are you bothered about the two princes? Do you live in the UK?

Suckit

blueser wrote: »

Quick question to the OP; if it isn't just another excuse to have a pop at the royals on AH, why are you bothered about the two princes? Do you live in the UK?

bobbyss

bilston wrote: »

So is that the answer you were looking for?

I would assume that William wasn't exposed to the same dangers as his service colleagues as he is an heir. Same is true for his brother. There would be a reluctance by the royal family to have them exposed. And that's understandable.

Listening to soldiers talk about their experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq where some have lost limbs and are maimed for life is harrowing.

I am sure Harry would empathise with them.

Agricola

Their lives are a bit of a farce, gearing up to be ceremonial hand shakers for life. I'm sure they know it and probably question it regularly.

But I suppose they're a bit like the children of farmers, publicans etc in that, from day 1, theres a sort of unspoken agreement that they are going to carry on the family business. They've been groomed for it all their lives, they're parents expect it, the nation expects it, so they're trapped. It's a nice golden cage, but it's still a cage.

njs030

bobbyss wrote: »

Listening to soldiers talk about their experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq where some have lost limbs and are maimed for life is harrowing.

I am sure Harry would empathise with them.

Considering he created the invictus games I'd say he genuinely cares about them.

Neyite

gifted wrote: »

I've got great time for those two lads....they've had cameras in their bloody faces for every day of their lives...the press hounded their mum right up to and after her unfortunate death. They owe nothing to anyone, they come across as decent ordinary people who care for people.

I wouldn't have their life. Not for all the money. Yes, they are privileged rich toffs, but compared to their counterparts- other rich offspring who grew up in similar environments, they are not the worst.

I really felt it for William's son this week. Like me and thousands of parents, their son had the first day of Big School. I took a picture of the youngster in his uniform scowling at me and sent it to his grannies, and off we went to the school. Maybe 10 people saw me. Nice and calm and a happy milestone kept relatively private to our family. William and George had to run the gauntlet of the press flash photography and catcalling a little boy to get his attention. The youngster looked very shy and a bit scared. I just had to think about putting my kids name on all his books. That family had to meet with the school, discuss security, sort out privacy and vetting and all that sh!te.

Even if they denounced their right to the throne, they'd still be hounded every step of their lives, except as a non-royal without security, they'd face what their mother did after her divorce meant she was no longer entitled to royal security protection and her life was stalked even more than it had been. So they might as well stay put and put up with it.

_Whimsical_

notjustsweet wrote: »

Considering he created the invictus games I'd say he genuinely cares about them.

Harry has really used his status very well in that case. Him taking an interest and boosting the profile of soldiers who suffered injury in war has been very powerful. I saw a tv show about amputees lately, not about Harry at all or the army, and one man mentioned that for years he'd been looked at as "oh that poor disabled man" but that people didn't see beyond that. Now since the games he feels people were much more inclined to register he'd been through something very traumatic and ask questions and be much more inclusive. He said he felt he could be proud of what he'd been through rather than ashamed.

Harry was also willing to talk about his own mental health problems and issues with grief. It's hard to quantify what difference that sort of thing makes but it was really generous I thought for him to do it.

njs030

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Harry has really used his status very well in that case. Him taking an interest and boosting the profile of soldiers who suffered injury in war has been very powerful. I saw a tv show about amputees lately, not about Harry at all or the army, and one man mentioned that for years he'd been looked at as "oh that poor disabled man" but that people didn't see beyond that. Now since the games he feels people were much more inclined to register he'd been through something very traumatic and ask questions and be much more inclusive. He said he felt he could be proud of what he'd been through rather than ashamed.

Harry was also willing to talk about his own mental health problems and issues with grief. It's hard to quantify what difference that sort of thing makes but it was really generous I thought for him to do it.

He seems very willing to do things that will help others - when he had a HIV test live on the royal Facebook page while being filmed to show everyone how simple it was, even getting his results he had that slight nervousness we all would have even though I'm sure he'd already been tested and was fine... Or more likely everyone gets tested before they get near him

timthumbni

bobbyss wrote: »

I would assume that William wasn't exposed to the same dangers as his service colleagues as he is an heir. Same is true for his brother. There would be a reluctance by the royal family to have them exposed. And that's understandable.

Listening to soldiers talk about their experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq where some have lost limbs and are maimed for life is harrowing.

I am sure Harry would empathise with them.

To assume something makes an ass of both you and me. Your agenda is obvious and pretty pathetic.

steddyeddy

timthumbni wrote: »

To assume something makes an ass of both you and me. Your agenda is obvious and pretty pathetic.

I think your reaction is worse TBH. The royals shouldn't be exempt from criticism.

timthumbni

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think your reaction is worse TBH. The royals shouldn't be exempt from criticism.

Certainly not. So what is your criticism of the 2 brothers exactly???

steddyeddy

timthumbni wrote: »

Certainly not. So what is your criticism of the 2 brothers exactly???

Where did I criticise them? As an aside a colleague went to school with Harry and William (Eton). He said contrary to appearances William is the more humble one while Harry is the mist arrogant of his circumstance of birth.

timthumbni

steddyeddy wrote: »

Where did I criticise them? As an aside a colleague went to school with Harry and William (Eton). He said contrary to appearances William is the more humble one while Harry is the mist arrogant of his circumstance of birth.

i don't know either of them. I appreciate they were in my armed forces but that's it.

I can guarantee that the op wasn't in the Irish army on the other hand. And a sf ard fheis doesn't count btw....

Gwynplaine

They're half brothers.

Jesus Wept

good lads