Frank de Boer sacked by Palace

GavRedKing

First manager sacked and we're only 4 games in.

Frank de Boer is gone.

Roy Hodsgon is favourite to take over, so thats Palace going down regardless.

LuckyLloyd

They seemed to play very well over the weekend, so I don't really understand the move. Results poor, but performances improving. Seems short sighted.

Tom Mann Centuria

If Hodgson is plan b they're doomed. He's got so little experience in league management, none in recent years, and even less with a relegation dog fight.


Edit: correctly told by other posters he has a shed load of League experience!

Still don't think he's an inspiring choice though, and the one bit I did get right, he has no recent league management at all.

nullzero

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They seemed to play very well over the weekend, so I don't really understand the move. Results poor, but performances improving. Seems short sighted.

Modern football.
He's a proven manager, even if that is in Holland, seems a little OTT to sack him in the second week of September.

GavRedKing

Ya, I've seen some extended highlights before the international break (mainly watching for Loftus Cheek on loan) they dont play too badly but as you said, ther results have been the issue.

Although it was goiong to be close between himself and Bilic as to who was going to get the sack first this year, another poor West Ham result tonight and he could be out on his ear by tomorrow.

GavRedKing

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

If Hodgson is plan b they're doomed. He's got so little experience in league management, none in recent years, and even less with a relegation dog fight.

Ya, Hodgson as plan B is never a good call.

upandcumming

Not that shocked, even if I disagree with the decision.

If Scott Dann had buried one of those chances he would have been grand.

klose

He was actively trying to change their style of football and it was always going to be a rocky start, 4 losses and not a goal scored is very grim but it seems very short sighted. Then again it's a results based business. Replacing him with the hodge is gas.

heffomike54

Any links to this? Nothing on BBC or Sky Sports

greendom

hope it wasn't based on yesterday's result. They were the better side and conceded thanks to a shocking error that a manager can't be held responsible for.

NukaCola

Probably the definition of panic

ArmaniJeanss

heffomike54 wrote: »

Any links to this? Nothing on BBC or Sky Sports

Seems true, guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/11/crystal-palace-sack-frank-de-boer-roy-hodgson-sam-allardyce

GavRedKing

Given time, I reckon theyed have played their way to safety.

They spent about 35m on 2 CBs, and brought ina few loan players, its not totally his squad , 4 games in though and to be turfed out is pretty harsh.

gramar

I read this about half an hour ago and now he's sacked?

In an exchange with supporters on social media following Sunday's 1-0 defeat at Burnley, Parish wrote: "People are frustrated, I'm frustrated, so are the management and players. We know we are better than this..."

Parish also wrote: "We are 4 games in, it's a terrible start but we have to stick together."

In response to one Twitter user who accused him of undermining De Boer and the players, Parish responded: "I think I'm defending everyone at the club who's working their a*** off to turn this round. Football teams lose games it happens."

artanevilla

10 weeks. How can you get things up and running in 10 weeks?

pjohnson

He lasted 3 months at Milan. He does appear quite inept. To have such a short term once is bizarre, to have it twice clearly HE is doing the wrong things.

Giggsy11

Palace are very direct team and Big Sam was their last manager, but somehow they hired coach who loves possession game and expected instant results. It was a wrong match and ended very early than expected.

I think Hodgson would be a good fit, playing direct football and can finish midtable.

klose

artanevilla wrote: »

10 weeks. How can you get things up and running in 10 weeks?

Like his spell at inter, he probably joined too late in the summer so never got the full pre season under his belt with the players.

tayto lover

A not very well thought-out decision.
Palace play some nice football and could have scored 4 yesterday.
I think they were coming into a bit of form and this decision will set them back.
He should have been given more time imo.

sligeach

Ridiculous if true. Far too soon to be making a big decision like that. He needs a bit of time, they've been unlucky, especially yesterday.

gramar

pjohnson wrote: »

He lasted 3 months at Milan. He does appear quite inept. To have such a short term once is bizarre, to have it twice clearly HE is doing the wrong things.

Neither spell he's had is ever going to be enough to develop a team and show whether he's doing it right or wrong.

MagicIRL

His players let him down. How they didn't convert one of the 20 or so chances they made at the weekend is just puzzling.

Nerdlingr

They've Southampton at home next, at least give him one more game to try and get three points. Its not like they're in danger of going down already, its 4 games into the new season. And Hodgson to take over? Jaysus. Footballing Dinosaur.

BlazingSaddler

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

If Hodgson is plan b they're doomed. He's got so little experience in league management, none in recent years, and even less with a relegation dog fight.

He did well enough at Fulham and West Brom. They could do far worse.

Osmosis Jones

How can you bring in a manager with a known style of football that is so vastly different from what you've been playing lately, and not expect an adjustment period.

GavRedKing

Sacked after 4 PL games is the shortest reign of any PL manager ever.

LuckyLloyd

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

How can you bring in a manager with a known style of football that is so vastly different from what you've been playing lately, and not expect an adjustment period.

Because you're an idiot. There is no grander explanation. There is also no accountability for those making the decision.

I do think that two incredibly short tenures at Milan and now Palace likely indicate deficiencies in how De Boer gets on. He might be very bad at selling his ideas and methods and poor politically. But the team actually performed very well at the weekend, so this decision makes no sense from a footballing perspective.

Milkers

People are so dumb and think so short term.

GLaDOS

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

If Hodgson is plan b they're doomed. He's got so little experience in league management

That's a strange statement about a man who has managed 14 different clubs!

Hodgson is no world beater, but he's shown to be capable enough when it comes to the likes of Fulham and WBA.

Vicxas

Really bad idea to sack him, Steve Parish has relegated Palace.

pjohnson

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Because you're an idiot. There is no grander explanation. There is also no accountability for those making the decision.

I do think that two incredibly short tenures at Milan and now Palace likely indicate deficiencies in how De Boer gets on. He might be very bad at selling his ideas and methods and poor politically. But the team actually performed very well at the weekend, so this decision makes no sense from a footballing perspective.

Bingo the first time I laughed at the mess that Inter were making but to happen AGAIN so soon? In a totally different league at a club with much reduced expectations? de Boer is doing something bad.

Agent Coulson

Sacked within 90 days at Inter.

Sacked within 90 days at Palace.


Not looking good for him on future job front as a manager.

pjohnson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sacked within 90 days at Inter.

Sacked within 90 days at Palace.


Not looking good for him on future job front as a manager.

Punditry/Commentary beckons.

irelandrover

GavRedKing wrote: »

Sacked after 4 PL games is the shortest reign of any PL manager ever.

Henning Berg was sacked by Blackburn after 57 days as manager.

thebaz

GavRedKing wrote: »

First manager sacked and we're only 4 games in.

Frank de Boer is gone.

Roy Hodsgon is favourite to take over, so thats Palace going down regardless.

Disgrace - hope they go down - deBoer is a good football man - 4 games - they'll bring in a good hoofball merchant, like Alardyce or Pullis , and we'll all then wonder why the quality of the Premiership can be so ****e.

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

Punditry/Commentary beckons.

Not the best surname for a pundit...

GavRedKing

I dsont envy Hodgson or anyone who takes the job.

Their next 5 games are :

Soputhampton (h)
Huddersfield (h)
Man City (a)
Man Utd (a)
Chelsea (h)

The Chelsea game is after the international break and as such is a hard to judge but looking at that fixture list, if they have anything more than 3 points on the baord by mid October and that Chelsea game, I'd be shocked.

pjohnson

thebaz wrote: »

Disgrace - hope they go down - deBoer is a good football man - 4 games - they'll bring in a good hoofball merchant, like Alardyce or Pullis , and we'll all then wonder why the quality of the Premiership can be so ****e.

4 games = 0 goals = good football man?


No prizes for possession. They need a manager who can win. Hodgson can do that.

GavRedKing

irelandrover wrote: »

Henning Berg was sacked by Blackburn after 57 days as manager.

Theres been shorter reigns by the number of days in the job but none by the amount of games.

Berg had something like a dozen games at Blackburn.

Paalce are also the first side in 90 odd years to not have a point or goal in the first 4 games of the season by any football league side.

The stats are a poor reflection, as PAlace havent played bad but its a result based business unfortunately.

sligeach

I kinda liked Crystal Palace but stupid decisions like this will make me feel indifferent should they get relegated now.

thebaz

pjohnson wrote: »

4 games = 0 goals = good football man?


No prizes for possession. They need a manager who can win. Hodgson can do that.

yeah good football man - total respect for him and not the idiots that sack him after 4 games - last time Hodgson managed did he not lead England to defeat to the mighty Iceland

Tom Mann Centuria

GLaDOS wrote: »

That's a strange statement about a man who has managed 14 different clubs!

Hodgson is no world beater, but he's shown to be capable enough when it comes to the likes of Fulham and WBA.

Fair comment. Guilty of modern curse of short memory.

Pighead

irelandrover wrote: »

Henning Berg was sacked by Blackburn after 57 days as manager.

That was in the championship. Not sure why everybody's writing off Palace if Hodgson comes in. Didn't he keep West Brom afloat a few seasons ago after Di Matteo got sacked? I know he's not going to pull up many trees but you'd have to recognise the fact that he's a pretty safe pair of hands and has the experience to improve things in the short term ie keep Palace up this season.

GavRedKing

Hodgson must be close to 70 at this stage, if theyre going down that route theyve sacked a man in De Boer that would ahve taken time to work installing a principal and ethos for a guy to play by the numbers and keep them up, only to go an hire another De Boer style manager, in terms of the risk associated in 18months time.

Football is strange.

Osmosis Jones

To think he'd probably still have a job if Scott Dann didn't scuff a 4 yard header

Dirty Dingus McGee

Really hope Palace go down now.

They brought in a fella to introduce a more passing style and then don't give him the time to implement his idea's.They're not good enough to be taking any liberties around what style they play so why the hell they appointed him in the first place is bizzare, that kind of idiocy needs to be punished.Turn yourself into a solid midtable team for a few years and then you can start worrying about style of play.I'm all for being ambitious but have a sense of grandeur like Palace have show is just stupid considering how close to relegation they've been in the last few years.

Parish has to have be one of the most punchable individuals in the game right now he's up there with Simon Jordan at this stage.

Giggsy11

irelandrover wrote: »

Henning Berg was sacked by Blackburn after 57 days as manager.

Wasn't that in Championship?

Boom_Bap

You can see that he was trying from game 1 to get the team to play a certain way. In the first game it wasn't working, but he didn't change it, as the game went on the players were visibly frustrated with it.

This continued into the other games.

He should have made adjustments because the gulf between what they were and what he wanted was too big and changes all over the pitch.

In my opinion, his downfall was not taking a step back towards rather than being too stubborn about what he wanted. Given a few more weeks I think it would have started to work more, unfortunately those sort of time frames are not available in the EPL.

Berserker

GavRedKing wrote: »

Ya, Hodgson as plan B is never a good call.

Really? Did an excellent job with Fulham taking them from a relegation position to consecutive top half finishes in the league and a Europa league final. Did a good job at WBA.

Agent Coulson

Brendan Rodgers now there is a man to have a project and I'd bet he love living and working in London.

murpho999

heffomike54 wrote: »

Any links to this? Nothing on BBC or Sky Sports

Why do people always ask for this when they are always the last to confirm news?