FTA 4K UHD

mikeecho

I'm considering getting a 4k tv (HDR)
The model I'm considering has a built in sat tuner.

My current sat setup is a Quatro lnb, connected to a EMP Centauri multiswitch (9x16) p150-cp-16

I have a fixed triax 85cm dish, @ Astra 28

I'm looking for a cheap option just to experience some 4k tv.
What's my best option astra 19.2 or hotbird 13

Or is there another option.

Johnboy1951

Astra UHD Demo channel is on 28.2 for first test.

mikeecho

Thanks john.

Rather than watch the same promo, over and over, on 28.2, what's my best option for multiple promos over and over again, or some fluffy 4k fta, that's not a shopping channel.

I don't think the cost of a motorised system is worth it for the amount of live tv I watch.

With my 85cm (living in cork) , what's the best dual lnb set up. 28.2/19.2 or 28.2/13, bearing in mind, I'm only looking for fta 4k

Johnboy1951

I haven't investigated enough to form a comparison opinion about FTA UHD on other positions, sorry ;(

mikeecho

Thanks for your input.

It'll be another few months before I get the tv, so, maybe the availability of fta 4k, might change between now and then.

I can always add a second lnb, it's not a major job, just have to decide between 13 and 19

Gerry Wicklow

There's a few demo channels on 13E, 19E and 1 on 28E. There is Fashion TV on 19 and a German shopping channel that's FTA. It's a reasonably safe bet any half-decent 4k channel will be subs based.
see KoS for more info

fryup

realistically will 4k take off in broadcasting?? surely it would take up too much bandwith??

and sky don't seem to be promoting it much

mikeecho

fryup wrote: »

realistically will 4k take off in broadcasting?? surely it would take up too much bandwith??

and sky don't seem to be promoting it much

Early days..


Once the likes of sky etc, figure out that there is enough of a market to gouge, they'll jump on the 4k band wagon.

Gerry Wicklow

Lack of content may be an issue too. There is a channel called 'Insight UHD' which was FTA at first. It had about 4~5 shows which it repeated ad nausium. Literally the same show every 4 hours or so. A quick look at the EPG now shows little has changed. From their advertising, it seems Sky UHD has a lot of live sports to fill it's schedule.
As an aside, I find it interesting that the BBCs R&D dept. test is on 19E not 28E

fryup

mikeecho wrote: »

Early days..
Once the likes of sky etc, figure out that there is enough of a market to gouge, they'll jump on the 4k band wagon.

early days? is it ?

it been out for the part five years now and it hasn't really taken off compared to HD when that started

Gerry Wicklow

fryup wrote: »

early days? is it ?

it been out for the part five years now and it hasn't really taken off compared to HD when that started

3D anybody???
:D

mikeecho

Ah look, it's herself that wants a super big, super pic quality tv for streaming/blue ray, and whatever 4k content can be streamed/downloaded.

It's just the fact that the tv is HDR and has built in sat tuner, I was just wondering where I could best source some fta content.

It's not a major effort, and setting up a dual lnb shouldn't be too expensive, a Quatro, bit of cable and a bit of repositioning.
Not a major expense, to be able to experience what the tv is capable of doing.

Gerry Wicklow

mikeecho wrote: »

Ah look, it's herself that wants a super big, super pic quality tv for streaming/blue ray, and whatever 4k content can be streamed/downloaded.

It's just the fact that the tv is HDR and has built in sat tuner, I was just wondering where I could best source some fta content.

It's not a major effort, and setting up a dual lnb shouldn't be too expensive, a Quatro, bit of cable and a bit of repositioning.
Not a major expense, to be able to experience what the tv is capable of doing.

A quad and a few DISEQC switches and yer laughin'

fryup

@mikeecho

tell her there are more important things in life than watching TV and buy her a cookbook instead

dxhound2005

I tuned in the transponders 13 East to 42 East with FTA to see how strong they were. My dish is 1.1 metres, and it is a Dr HD satellite box. The signal meter reads up to 20 dB which is maxed out by some of the transponders on 28 East. Around 9 dB is needed to give reliable reception of 8PSK signals.

13 East. 11727 11.2 dB. 12539 12.1.

19 East strongest is 10995 13.6, the rest are all over 12 dB.

23 East 11778 13.0.

42 East 10980 14.4.

http://www.flysat.com/satlist-uhd.php

https://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs5925-dvb-s2-tv-tuner-usb.html


I haven't got a 4K TV so they scan as radio channels. I can see them on my computer monitor using the TBS 5925 usb receiver. Stunning pictures even though the monitor is not 4K either. The loop on 42 East seems to have the most variety. There is also a VR demo running on 19 East which shows as split screens on my monitor. Since 3D is dead, VR could be the future. It has a presence on porn websites now which might be an indicator.

Gerry Wicklow

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I tuned in the transponders 13 East to 42 East with FTA to see how strong they were. My dish is 1.1 metres, and it is a Dr HD satellite box. The signal meter reads up to 20 dB which is maxed out by some of the transponders on 28 East. Around 9 dB is needed to give reliable reception of 8PSK signals.

13 East. 11727 11.2 dB. 12539 12.1.

19 East strongest is 10995 13.6, the rest are all over 12 dB.

23 East 11778 13.0.

42 East 10980 14.4.

http://www.flysat.com/satlist-uhd.php

https://www.tbsdtv.com/products/tbs5925-dvb-s2-tv-tuner-usb.html


I haven't got a 4K TV so they scan as radio channels. I can see them on my computer monitor using the TBS 5925 usb receiver. Stunning pictures even though the monitor is not 4K either. The loop on 42 East seems to have the most variety. There is also a VR demo running on 19 East which shows as split screens on my monitor. Since 3D is dead, VR could be the future. It has a presence on porn websites now which might be an indicator.

There's no problem receiving them with the right gear. It's just there isn't anything FTA worth tuning in other than a few demos, a German shopping channel or 'Fashion TV' which seems to be non-stop catwalk shows.

dxhound2005

4K feeds are becoming more common. Some reported FTA. 4K is too short to search Satelliweb, search UHD.

http://www.satelliweb.com/?section=search

TCP/IP

Get your TV, get SkyQ, Get Netflix and Amazon sub and away you go tons of 4K content and even some with 4k and HDR.

Johnboy1951

TCP/IP wrote: »

Get your TV, get SkyQ, Get Netflix and Amazon sub and away you go tons of 4K content and even some with 4k and HDR.

You appear to have missed the thread heading ,,, FTA 4K UHD

Gerry Wicklow

TCP/IP wrote: »

Get your TV, get SkyQ, Get Netflix and Amazon sub and away you go tons of 4K content and even some with 4k and HDR.

Don't forget the second mortgage too:D

dxhound2005

New in the last few days what appears to be a 4K VR demo on 28 East. Not on all the time.

12604 H 22000 5/6.

philstar

i bet ya...4k will go the way of 3d ..like the dodo, mark my words....it just simply takes up too much bandwith

dxhound2005

How much do you want to bet?

http://4k.com/news/4k-ultra-hd-satellite-to-explode-in-the-next-decade-over-785-new-channels-to-come-online-13324/

Harry Palmr

and also that the satellite capacity necessary for transmitting bandwidth hungry 4K content channels will feed more than $280 million dollars in annual leasing revenues.

ha no wonder they're talking it up. Money money money.

4K is just another way to part people from their cash as they throw out perfectly good telly's etc and buy something for WC 2022 or Olympics 2024

Charlie-Bravo

Just reading the OP's thread. What issues would there be with trying to get 4K through a multi-switch?

The Cush

astrofluff wrote: »

Just reading the OP's thread. What issues would there be with trying to get 4K through a multi-switch?

None, the multiswitch is blind to the content carried.

mikeecho

Just an update.

Set up the tv today, (still learning the ins and outs) and must go through the painful task of arranging channels and deleting duplicates.

But the UHD.. there are 2 or 3 ses test channels.
Looks very good.. just disappointed that they aren't broadcast in Dolby or 5.1

The weekend will be busy, setting up the surround sound.

I'll leave things for a while, and then setup a second lnb, still not sure if I should go for 28.2 & 19.2, or 28.2 & 13

UrbanFret

mikeecho wrote: »

Just an update.

Set up the tv today, (still learning the ins and outs) and must go through the painful task of arranging channels and deleting duplicates.

But the UHD.. there are 2 or 3 ses test channels.
Looks very good.. just disappointed that they aren't broadcast in Dolby or 5.1

The weekend will be busy, setting up the surround sound.

I'll leave things for a while, and then setup a second lnb, still not sure if I should go for 28.2 & 19.2, or 28.2 & 13

No Problem getting all 3 birds on an 80cm.

mikeecho

UrbanFret wrote: »

No Problem getting all 3 birds on an 80cm.

.. but is there any worthwhile content ?

dxhound2005

NASA TV UHD is now on 13 East. Scans as a Radio channel on the Dr HD receiver, but can be viewed on the TBS receiver. Carrying a different programme to the HD channel on the same transponder. 11373 H.

https://www.flysat.com/hotbird.php

Gerry Wicklow

Nice one Let's hope it remains FTA

dxhound2005

8K test channel on 28 East. Scans as a radio channel on my Dr HD receiver and I can hear the audio. On my TBS 5925 receiver it scans but immediately shuts down the receiver.

https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/threads/282%C2%BAe-astra-among-the-changes-of-the-day-new-channel-in-8k-uhd-ses-test-3-5-2019.175803/

Johnboy1951

dxhound2005 wrote: »

8K test channel on 28 East. Scans as a radio channel on my Dr HD receiver and I can hear the audio. On my TBS 5925 receiver it scans but immediately shuts down the receiver.

https://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/threads/282%C2%BAe-astra-among-the-changes-of-the-day-new-channel-in-8k-uhd-ses-test-3-5-2019.175803/

Is that DVB-S/2/x?

Attempted a scan here but no go ...... not surprising really as the consumer devices are not really capable I expect.

Gerry Wicklow

tried
11973 V 31000 8PSK DVB-S2 9/10 (not 2/3 as per site above)

audio only on VU+ 4K box which is to be expected I suppose. Ah well

enfant terrible

Is there any consumer receiver equipment available that could display that test channel?

Johnboy1951

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

tried
11973 V 31000 8PSK DVB-S2 9/10 (not 2/3 as per site above)

audio only on VU+ 4K box which is to be expected I suppose. Ah well

Ha! Thanks for that change .....

I got locked on and saw a pic and got sound ...... the PC is unable to display the pic so only got a static image. Apparently making a viola or other such instrument based on the different static pics I saw.

(thumbnail - click to view full pic)





The data rate seemed to be about 72Mb/s to my PC from the receiver.
As the receiver output is only 100Mb/s this might have contributed to the lack of moving picture/video.


Interesting to see it though

Gerry Wicklow

Given the current lack of (useful) 4k FTA content I wont be in any rush to upgrade to an 8K receiver and display. Even with specsavers, it can sometimes be hard to tell between good HD and 4K. I certainly don't have the wall space to justify a 200" 8K panorama.

JDxtra

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

tried
11973 V 31000 8PSK DVB-S2 9/10 (not 2/3 as per site above)

audio only on VU+ 4K box which is to be expected I suppose. Ah well

Same on a Gigablue 4K box. Very little 4K content to view. The Hotbird 4K 1 test channel has stunning quality, but poor content.

Johnboy1951

I got a little better tonight using Kodi and a different video driver ..... was able to get a few seconds of video with audio before the PC became over burdened and the pic broke up.
This is a pic of Kodi 'playing' the 8K SES channel

frank1491

i have 4K UHD from Philips with built in Sat decoder .
on the 4K Demo channel i only get sound no picture ?
Anyone know why this might be.
Philips Model no. 65PUS6162/05
I Know this is not releated to your query but would like some help.

dxhound2005

There is a new channel on 13 East Roland Garros 8K. Scans as a radio channel for me, I can hear music. 11219 H.

https://www.flysat.com/hotbird.php

There are more details on the Satellites.co.uk site which I linked to before.

Gerry Wicklow

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is a new channel on 13 East Roland Garros 8K. Scans as a radio channel for me, I can hear music. 11219 H.

https://www.flysat.com/hotbird.php

There are more details on the Satellites.co.uk site which I linked to before.

That seems to be an 8K test. I'm not equipped to decode the video either. Does anyone have 8K gear yet?

fryup

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Even with specsavers, it can sometimes be hard to tell between good HD and 4K..

hmmm, i don't know i had 40" hd TV before.. i currently have a 40" 4k same make..and i believe the picture to be that bit sharper crisper esp on HD channels

Gerry Wicklow

fryup wrote: »

hmmm, i don't know i had 40" hd TV before.. i currently have a 40" 4k same make..and i believe the picture to be that bit sharper crisper esp on HD channels

Sharper in general yes. However watching the F1 in 4k yesterday on a 55", it was hard to distinguish between good quality HD on some of the German channels. Then again that might just be me Based on that, and the lack of 4k content, I wont be in a hurry to get 8K

dxhound2005

There is a Eurosport FTA 4K channel for Roland Garros on 19 East. Scans OK on TBS receiver. Not FTA after tennis stops I read.

19.2E_Roland Garros_10995 H,22000,5/6,8PSK,HEVC-UHD 1(FTA)

dublinman1990

A Director of Broadcast & Distribution Technology from ITV has said at the SES UHD Conference in London that plans for launching a ITV UHD channel remains high on the agenda. Tom Griffiths has said to delegates at the conference that it may take a few years to get the channel launched because the costs for it are quite expensive. Once it will launch in the UK; the channel is expected to include new drama & sports content in the future.

https://advanced-television.com/2019/06/14/itv-uhd-in-the-next-couple-of-years/

lgs 4

Would ITV UHD be free or backed by sky,s grubby hands. Would Freeview have the bandwidth for 4K .Presently all UHD or 4K content is by satellite and high-speed broadband . As far as I know 4K has never been tested on Freeview .

Johnboy1951

lgs 4 wrote: »

Would ITV UHD be free or backed by sky,s grubby hands. Would Freeview have the bandwidth for 4K .Presently all UHD or 4K content is by satellite and high-speed broadband . As far as I know 4K has never been tested on Freeview .

It might never be on either Sat or Freeview depending on what this means ....

Griffiths said UHD applied to programming currently being worked on, but delivering UHD end-to-end was certainly a challenge and it was still to be decided whether that content went over what he described as “traditional” platforms, and final delivery methods had still to be determined.

Tigerandahalf

4k may never fully take off.
Is there a need for it?
It would be much better if all channels were brought upto full hd standard.

Johnboy1951

Tried to test a tv box using the 8K Demo channel today, but it seems to be off air ....... anyone any news about it?

mikeecho

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

4k may never fully take off.
Is there a need for it?
It would be much better if all channels were brought upto full hd standard.

4K Satellite/Terrestrial may not take off, but I think there will be a demand for it with steaming services.