€1,179 for an iPhone

Northern Monkey

challengemaster wrote: »

Sloppy "reporting" or just trying to take a pot shot at something without even understanding it.

FaceID didn't fail - It prompted for an unlock by pin code, the same way TouchID does when you try to unlock it the first time after a reboot. Whoever was setting up the demo models forgot to input the unlock code on 1 of the devices after it started.

Nope. He tried facial ID a few times before it prompted him for a pin. The same way Touch ID does if it fails 3 times.

TallGlass

I had an iPhone when they first came out and what a great phone at the time.

Then I just went android and never went back.

I don't think I would ever go back iPhone, I think they are never the first anymore with new stuff like when Steve was over the company and I don't find anything special with there phones. When the first iPhone came out it was brilliant, now nearly every phone does what any iPhone can do there's noting special anymore about them, so it doesn't warrant me spending 1k on a phone or engaging in a 60PM contract for 24 months with 200/300 quid up front.

super_furry

Heh, you can buy a MacBook Air for less money.

topper75

Way to go Apple - now the crims are going to dip me upside down in wax so they can make a rubber mask of my face. That won't be pleasant. :-(

TallGlass

super_furry wrote: »

MacBook

MacBooks and Mac, another thing I can never understand why people rave so much about. Yes they are high end, your paying a high end price, you can build something twice as high end with Windows or build a high end Dell laptop if you want to hand that type of money over.

topper75

valoren wrote: »

The business methodology at play here is akin to Manchester United in the 1990's selling football jerseys.

Everyone suddenly became a United fan when they started winning the league.
It's a good comparison with Apple as a company to United.
Early success, dedicated fan base, crap and stagnant for years, a new single minded, obsessive manager (Fergie/Jobs) then a surge in popularity and success.

They started with a home and away jersey, then they actually required a third kit.
You were the shít if you owned all three.

And the jerseys got changed every season.
And no discerning supporter would then be caught in last seasons jersey and were perfectly happy to spend to keep up.

Prices went up and in order to justify that the marketing came up with bull**** nonsense like 'sweat wicking fabric' and 'compression technology'. Yeah, like that's relevant when you're in the pub

At a certain price point then, my desperation to be associated with 'success' by shouting at some English lads on the telly starts to fade. I may even have to take up playing football myself. I'm sure some econo-nerd has draw up a curve to represent this.

Deleted User

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I'll consider a OnePlus if Xiaomi don't have anything interesting when I get a new phone.. My current Mi5 is the best phone I've ever used and I'd rate it higher than almost everything.

Although if I don't go mid-range and instead splash out, the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 is class looking. Look at how wonky that crap at the top of the iPhone X is compared to this..



If it's like the Mi Mix, you just turn it upside down as the front camera is at the bottom. That's more innovative thinking that wrecking the top of the phone.

I was going to get one of those phones, but what put me off was the fact that it was a bit of a lottery with getting caught by Customs. Reading that chinese Android thread over on the Android forum put me off.

Gamer Bhoy 89

There's an advantage to me possessing a certain attitude towards new phones/tech when they come out: I can pick from the best phones from 3 years ago and pay 1/4 of the price.

I got a Samsung Galaxy S5 last November for €200 and it's the best phone I've ever had and I will not be swapping it out for another phone for a good while. €1k for a phone is absolutely mental. And all you're really forking out that grand for is easily to say to your peers "I have the new iPhone"

I'm sorry, I cannot think of any other rational reason to spend that amount on a phone. I really can't.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Yes I'll be buying this phone, I have only used apple for the past 9 years and my current phone is 5 years old and it's never let me down outside my own carelessness. I use my phone a lot and need a reliable phone and don't replace my phone every year so I've no problem leaving out a grand on something I'll use every single day for the next few years.

Allinall

I gave vodafone about €1,200 over the last couple of years and I got a free phone.

I'm really smart like that.

TerrorFirmer

I'd be the same as above, buy flagship phones from a few years ago that still hold up very well today. My current phone's an LG G4 with 1440P screen and it was €209 from Fonez pre-owned with a 12 month warranty. Think it was about €700 in 2015.

€20 a month on pre-pay and you're sorted

Pelvis

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Yes I'll be buying this phone, I have only used apple for the past 9 years and my current phone is 5 years old and it's never let me down outside my own carelessness. I use my phone a lot and need a reliable phone and don't replace my phone every year so I've no problem leaving out a grand on something I'll use every single day for the next few years.

This sounds sensible, but when you can get another phone, equally as good, for literally half the price. It's not really sensible.

GhostyMcGhost

_Dara_ wrote: »

Honestly.... no. I got my first iPhone last week, an iPhone SE. It's also my first billpay. I paid €9.99 for it. I love it but it would never inspire me to drop more than a grand on a one. To each their own though, I guess.

How much per month? and how many months contract?

I've seen these 'free' phones on €45 plans that can be got prepay for €20

45-20 = 25 * 24 months = approx €500 which is the rough cost of the phone anyway

baby and crumble

TallGlass wrote: »

MacBooks and Mac, another thing I can never understand why people rave so much about. Yes they are high end, your paying a high end price, you can build something twice as high end with Windows or build a high end Dell laptop if you want to hand that type of money over.

I have had both macs and high end windows machines (same price, roughly same specs in each) and I far FAR prefer the mac. It works more seamlessly, the OS is more intuitive for me and it's easier and more pleasant for me to use. It's not just about the physical machine and the specs.

Why are people getting so bent out shape? People buy what they want, can afford, and works best for them in their situation I'd love if I preferred Android & Windows, but I don't.

€100 on a night out- when you factor in taxis and booze, maybe a takeaway and entrance to a club wouldn't be outrageous, right? Well, I don't go boozing that often, and when I do I spend maybe €30. That's €70- €100 per week I don't spend that a lot of folks do. Why is it weird that I'd spend that money on a phone or a laptop that I will enjoy, will make me work and socialise and everything else easily, and that I'll still have in 2 years time? I personally don't upgrade each cycle- I'm still on my iPhone 6 that I treated myself to when I got my new job 3 years ago.

Bob24

NewApproach wrote: »

What's the purpose of this thread?

Personal rant and a bit of Apple vs Android trolling I guess.

Deleted User

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"High end phone so it will be dearer".

Utter balls.

Let's take a look at the OnePlus 5. The models range from €499 to €559 - and this is 64GB to 128GB.

Here are the specs for the OnePlus 5.

Here are the specs for the iPhone X

Here is a side-by-side comparison between the two.

As you can see, the OnePlus 5 competes pretty well against the iPhone X. Just with a lot less name recognition.

€559 for a 128GB phone. Against €1179 for an iPhone X.

That's double the price.

There is no justifying the iPhone X price. I could buy a top-notch Gaming PC for the exact same price.

You left out one vital feature for iphone.

There's €600.00 of smug included that's not in the oneplus.

I'm surprised they are not all saving the money for a Musk 3 EV when that comes out.

murpho999

topper75 wrote: »

Way to go Apple - now the crims are going to dip me upside down in wax so they can make a rubber mask of my face. That won't be pleasant. :-(

They actually mentioned this yesterday and stated that masks of people will not actually open the phone.

Nor will a photograph.

Nor will holding the phone up to a persons face whilst sleeping as their eyes have to be open.

murpho999

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You left out one vital feature for iphone.

There's €600.00 of smug included that's not in the oneplus.

I'm surprised they are not all saving the money for a Musk 3 EV when that comes out.

Your post sounds more smug and bitter to me.

Permabear

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TallGlass

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

How much per month? and how many months contract?

I've seen these 'free' phones on €45 plans that can be got prepay for €20

45-20 = 25 * 24 months = approx €500 which is the rough cost of the phone anyway

True, but your not in contract for 24 months or the fact that bills sometimes are never static at 25€ a month.

To be honest, both paying up front going pre pay and going bill pay each have there own advantages and disadvantages, mainly for me with Bill Pay was just the unpredictability of the bill sometimes. I like the fact I pay 20€ and that's it done for the month along with paying for the phone up front. It's my phone not the operators, if a network manages to upset me, I am out of there port to another network easily.

Boom_Bap

On reflection, I'm not going to buy one. Instead I will spend an equivalent amount of money on pigeons and go old school.

I will then also train the pigeons to steal an iPhoneX right out of someones hands, and to also peck their face off to bypass security.

Permabear

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_Dara_

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

How much per month? and how many months contract?

I've seen these 'free' phones on €45 plans that can be got prepay for €20

45-20 = 25 * 24 months = approx €500 which is the rough cost of the phone anyway

I went into more detail in post #70.

Boom_Bap

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I also like that one, but I'd ave to make sure I don't get any three eyed ravens.

Permabear

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Really!!!?

Are you 'Ndràngheta?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

What happens if you're off your chops though? Will facial recognition work if your jaw is swinging like something off of footloose

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GerryDerpy

iPhones used to somehow capture the soul of their designers and Steve Jobs. God remember the monumental excitement around the iPhone 4 release.

Apple are gone very Sony / Samsung - making objectively great products, and a huge unfocused range of products, but with no soul.

Grayson

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I knew it was a conspiracy of bishops so i thought you were wrong. I googled it and it's an unkindness of ravens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_terms_of_venery,_by_animal

And then I googled it again and found another place where it says that it is a conspiracy of ravens.

And apparently I was imagining it when I thought it was a conspiracy of bishops because I can't find that anywhere.

donegal.

the grand maester conspiracy

seamus

baby and crumble wrote: »

Plus, having had an iPhone for 5-6 years now, I've sunk a lot of money into apps that I like, and games for the iOs platform. I don't like using Android as an OS, and it annoys me. I'm at a point in my life now where I'm happy to pay an extra price for convenience. Likewise yeah, I could save myself €10 a month by not having Netflix and watching my movies on whatever dodgy service there is, having to find which are the best versions of things I want to watch. I could save myself another €10 a month by not having Spotify, and just downloading torrents of music I want to listen to to my laptop and doing it that way, or by having the free version and having to listen to adds every 3 songs. I prefer my sanity and convenience I've gotten used to.

I do understand the "willing to pay for convenience" bit, but you've gone a bit off the rails there. Going with Android instead of iOS is not like "Torrents instead of Spotify". It's basically "Apple Music instead of Spotify", if Apple music cost €30/month.
That is, there is functionally no difference.

I'm not trying to convince you to switch, just clearing up the misconception that once you're in a given ecosystem, you're kind of stuck. Most apps nowadays go for the subscription model. Free to download, pay money to unlock features. The beauty of this is that your subscription is fluid. Move to a new phone, you just download the app and sign in, bang job done.
Same goes for things like WhatsApp. Backup your chat, move to new phone, restore backup, done.

I switched from iOS to Android in 2015 and the effort to move all my stuff to new phone took just as long as moving from an old iPhone to a new one.

Sure, moving is a bit weird at first, but it's like changing car. After a couple of days you've forgotten what the old one is like. The actual amount of effort it takes to switch is very little compared to the price differential. It would be like refusing to switch electricity provider to one that's €500 cheaper because you couldn't be bothered filling out the forms.

Apple rely on this unnecessary loyalty, it's why the price of their new range goes up every year.

murpho999

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This all sounds a bit tin-foil hat like for me.
I really don't worry about this stuff at all. Why would the police want to look at my phone.

Also, there is no data on it really that would be much use to them. My number and addresses. Wow, off you go and have fun with that.

baby and crumble

seamus wrote: »

I'm not trying to convince you to switch, just clearing up the misconception that once you're in a given ecosystem, you're kind of stuck. Most apps nowadays go for the subscription model. Free to download, pay money to unlock features. The beauty of this is that your subscription is fluid. Move to a new phone, you just download the app and sign in, bang job done.
Same goes for things like WhatsApp. Backup your chat, move to new phone, restore backup, done.

That's fair enough, but I have tried, a few times over the years, to get used to android as my main OS on a phone/ tablet-particularly on a work phone. In all honesty, the aggravation of trying to understand how Android works, and dealing with widgets and apps, and the difference between them, and having to download launchers etc was just so so frustrating. I get that the apps themselves are pretty much functionally the same, and the latest versions of Android do look slick, but that doesn't replace the ones I have bought on iOS, and which I use regularly. I know it's going to sound really shallow and stupid, but there's one camera editing app in particular I have invested quite a lot of money in over the years which doesn't have an Android version. I use it every single day, and I would actually miss it quite a lot if I didn't have it on my phone :rolleyes:.

I know if I had no job and no money and needed a new phone in the morning, I'd be going with the cheapest smartphone possible- which would likely be a skinned android. I'd be grand, it'd do the job and I'm sure I would get used to it. Luckily, I'm in a position where I don't have to.

v10

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I know they said it in a joking way but I took from that that identical twins may need to use a passcode in order to secure their phone ..
see here at about 3:28:00 .. https://youtu.be/jt2OHQh0HoQ?t=12480

Permabear

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murpho999

Permabear wrote: »

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I know what people can store on their phones but I would find it strange and risky to keep highly confidential items on a phone and would rather use cloud services.
Banking Apps require passwords and codes so all they get is access to an app. If person keeps the banking app passwords on the phone then they are just asking for trouble.

I don't get your point about handing your phone over to person on the bus. Why would you do that?

I think facial recognition will be just as secure as a fingerprint and you can also use the pin code too.

Sleepy

Permabear wrote: »

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That's a fascinating little anecdote. Cheers for that.

3 phones back I had an iPhone something or other and tbh, utterly hated it. iOS was bad enough, iTunes was possibly the worst piece of **** I've ever had to use. It was astounding that a "tech" company would admit to having written it.

I get there are some people who'd find it hard to switch from iOS (the same people that Des Bishop used to riff on about being "Nokia Retards"?), but I really think the vast majority of apple fans aren't like that: they're paying for a status signifier.

It's an idiotic thing to do imho, but you do have to wonder where the price-point is that these people won't be able to afford to keep handing apple four figures a year to look "cool". Or is it the point where their parents finally learn to say "no".

ancapailldorcha

Sleepy wrote: »

I get there are some people who'd find it hard to switch from iOS (the same people that Des Bishop used to riff on about being "Nokia Retards"?), but I really think the vast majority of apple fans aren't like that: they're paying for a status signifier.

It's an idiotic thing to do imho, but you do have to wonder where the price-point is that these people won't be able to afford to keep handing apple four figures a year to look "cool". Or is it the point where their parents finally learn to say "no".

I'll take your word for it regarding iOS. I know sod all about it.

I find this quite disconcerting to be honest. A marketplace is supposed to be a logic-based construct where consumers purchase the best value product for their money. When they start splurging for the latest version of an unremarkable device simply because of a logo on the back and a new bauble or two, it creates perverse incentives for companies.

I work in academia and see PhD students on less than €20,000 per annum forking out nearly €100 a month for one of these ludicrous things before moaning about having no money. My phone cost me £189 and I'm on an £11/month SIM-only contract. I only bought a new one because my last one was only 4 years old and was having a few issues with some apps.

Given the way that property markets have gone, I can't help but wonder if this is the last vestige of the keeping up with the Joneses mindset. I want to build a gaming PC very soon. It's something I've been saving for for a while now. I've worked out that it'll be more cost effective in the long run vs consoles with the only issue being the initial investment. €1,179 would be enough to get me a very good machine based on my reading of the PC Building & Upgrading forum here.

smurfjed

Pricing is interesting, 256GB Iphone-X
USA $1263 with 10% sales tax (€1062)
IRELAND €1349
UK £1149 (€1276)
FRANCE €1329
DUBAi AED4729 (€1083 Most likely without FACETIME due to UAE restrictions)
Guess that I will wait until the -X is readily available in the USA. I guess that i can get around €600 for my present 7 Plus (256meg) so that makes the new phone around €500.

Randle P. McMurphy

A fool and their money are easily parted.

smurfjed

Not sure if that was addressed to me, but WTF, I can afford it from tips alone!
Have a good day.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I was going to get one of those phones, but what put me off was the fact that it was a bit of a lottery with getting caught by Customs. Reading that chinese Android thread over on the Android forum put me off.

I'm next door in Vietnam so everything Xiaomi is easier.

ceadaoin.

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Not to mention, phones nowadays store location data and often have a list of frequently visited places. Not really something you'd want in the hands of law enforcement, certainly not in the US anyway! There's nothing incriminating or even sensitive on my phone but I wouldnt want to hand it over to a police officer. In this country, if they want to get you for something, they will find a way to do it, probably best not to make it easy for them.

Dr Brown

I must be in the stone age I still use a Nokia 5310 and I love it.

me_irl

mad muffin

I'm getting the €1349 iPhone X 256GB. I could sell my mint iPhone 7 128GB for around €650. That will make the X only €699 for me.


But I'm not I'm giving the 7 to my wife and paying for the X out right.

fmpisces

Personally I couldn't justify spending that amount of money for a phone for myself. Given that I haven't had the best of luck with phones in the past (falling off my lap as I get out of a car is something that's happened me on numerous occasions, falling into the toilet - twice and another phone went into the washing machine) so no, I think spending the guts of €300 on a phone will do me.
I also tend to get bored of my phone and like to change it every year or so. When I think of what I could spend over €1,000 on between the kids, the house or even a holiday, I'll stick to the cheaper models!

mad muffin

mad muffin wrote: »

I'm getting the €1349 iPhone X 256GB. I could sell my mint iPhone 7 128GB for around €650. That will make the X only €699 for me.


But I'm not I'm giving the 7 to my wife and paying for the X out right.

Reason for the upgrade?

HairySalmon

murpho999 wrote: »

Also people complaining about the price are forgetting that this is their high end phone so it will be dearer.

Iphone 8 was launched as well at same prices as last year's 7.

No it hasn't. It's now €830 when it was €770

Bob24

mad muffin wrote: »

I could sell my mint iPhone 7 128GB for around €650.

No way you would get that price for it. Apple sells the same new with warranty for 759.

I have an unlocked mint 128GB iPhone 7 (with AppleCare+) and I wouldn't count on getting more than 600 for it (and depending on demand I would probably be ready to accept 550). People just won't pay only 100 less than the price new even if it is in perfect condition.