iPhone X - Discussion

NollagShona

The highest storage wouldn’t always be the same, so it wouldn’t be a fair comparison

Bob24

NollagShona wrote: »

The highest storage wouldn’t always be the same, so it wouldn’t be a fair comparison

It is quite fair. The cost of storage goes down and people need more ... the offering just follows that trend. If you don't accept that you are basically saying there is no way to compare pricing as the storage capacities offered on the initial models simply don't exist anymore. And then you can also say yeah they didn't have face ID, the CPU was slower, the had less RAM, etc. But all those are just excuses to refuse a comparison.

NollagShona

Bob24 wrote: »

It is quite fair. The cost of storage goes down and people need more ... the offering just follows that trend. If you don't accept that you are basically saying there is no way to compare pricing as the storage capacities offered on the initial models simply don't exist anymore. And then you can also say yeah they didn't have dace ID, the CPU was slower, etc. But all those are just excuses to refuse a comparison.

Well one conmares like with like for a true comparison tbf

murpho999

NollagShona wrote: »

Flagship is singular, primary.

Eh no it’s not as it’s an adjective as the term is “flagship phones” and if the 8 was definitely launched as a flagship phone alongside the X,it was priced the same as the 7 the year before and that has split the sales of the iPhone and resulted in less sales for the X.

That’s what they’re attempting to correct with this years models.

Bob24

murpho999 wrote: »

Eh no it’s not as it’s an adjective as the term is “flagship phones” and if the 8 was definitely launched as a flagship phone alongside the X,it was priced the same as the 7 the year before and that has split the sales of the iPhone and resulted in less sales for the X.

That’s what they’re attempting to correct with this years models.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/flagship?s=t

noun: the best or most important one of a group or system
adjective: being or constituting a flagship

By definition there is only one "best" hence Apple can have only one flagship phone.

murpho999

Bob24 wrote: »

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/flagship?s=t

noun: the best or most important one of a group or system
adjective: being or constituting a flagship

By definition there is only one "best" hence Apple can have only one flagship phone.

I get what you mean my point is that the 8 and 8 plus and the X where all fully priced Tier 1 phones as opposed to the discounted 6s and 7.

So Apple have made the mistake of having more than one 'flagship' and that''s why the X has not sold as well.

Bob24

murpho999 wrote: »

I get what you mean my point is that the 8 and 8 plus and the X where all fully priced Tier 1 phones as opposed to the discounted 6s and 7.

So Apple have made the mistake of having more than one 'flagship' and that''s why the X has not sold as well.

Let’s put it that way:

The 8 / 8 Plus are on the same segment the 7 / 7 Plus were on the year before.

It used to be the flagship segment, but with the X Apple has introduced a new and even more premium segment which is the new flagship.

So while the 8 / 8 Plus are no lesser phones than their predecessors and are high end products in the context of the smartphone market, they definitely can’t be called flagship models for Apple without being innacurate.

Saying anything else is just Apple marketing to make sure 8 / 8 Plus potential buyers who are not ready to jump to the X don’t feel like they are getting a budget phone (of course these are not budget phones but there is a psychological effect in not buying the top of the line model which could make some people feel that way).

NollagShona

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/957714460424200193

Bob24

NollagShona wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/957714460424200193

"Apple saw stellar iPhone X sales" ... some posters here will have to reconsider their statements about disappointing sales :-)

Bob24

NollagShona wrote: »

Well one conmares like with like for a true comparison tbf

When you look at technology products over the years you can't do like with like because product lifecycles are too shorts, but comparisons still make sense. For example if I say an entry level laptop computer in 2018 costs a fraction of what it did in 1998 of the two products are not exactly the same, but it can still be useful information in the contexts of affordability, cost of manufacturing, or marketing strategies. As is the fact that the price of an top of the line iPhone has almost doubled since the iPhone 4.

Ot it would be silly to say I won't in any circumstances compare the evolution of the price of TV sets over the past 50 years because it would't be like for like.

DubDJ

Apple announced their earnings today and it looks like the iPhone X was popular after all. According to Tim Cook the iPhone X is the best selling iPhone in the world.

I was kind of hoping it wouldn’t of done too well overall, as it might of forced Apple to rethink pricing in the future but it looks like we can get used to the massive price hikes.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/01/apple-earnings-fy18-q1/

Bob24

DubDJ wrote: »

Apple announced their earnings today and it looks like the iPhone X was popular after all. According to Tim Cook the iPhone X is the best selling iPhone in the world.

I was kind of hoping it wouldn’t of done too well overall, as it might of forced Apple to rethink pricing in the future but it looks like we can get used to the massive price hikes.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/01/apple-earnings-fy18-q1/

Yes the X is doing fine vs other iPhone models. Having said that total iPhone sales slightly dropping compared to the previous year should be worrying for Apple. The smartphone market is maturing and won’t support crazy YoY shipment increases anymore, but it shouldn’t lead to stagnation or a drop either if Apple was performing.

NollagShona

https://twitter.com/macrumors/status/959202229214355457

X proving the most popular haterz gonna 8 didn’t really materialise

DubDJ

Bob24 wrote: »

Yes the X is doing fine vs other iPhone models. Having said that total iPhone sales slightly dropping compared to the previous year should be worrying for Apple. The smartphone market is maturing and won’t support crazy YoY shipment increases anymore, but it shouldn’t lead to stagnation or a drop either if Apple was performing.

Kind of goes back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread, Apple have hit a wall with numbers shipped, so they’ve just upped the price as a way to keep the profits growing.

Less iPhones sold compared to last year but more profit, I just hope the trend doesn’t continue.

Bob24

DubDJ wrote: »

Kind of goes back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread, Apple have hit a wall with numbers shipped, so they’ve just upped the price as a way to keep the profits growing.

Less iPhones sold compared to last year but more profit, I just hope the trend doesn’t continue.

Yes this and also making more money on associated services.

To be honest I don't think it can continue for too long. It would be a losing strategy in the long term to count on this, as to remain relevant they need a critical mass of iOS users.

Edit: actually I just saw the overall smartphone market is shrinking a good bit, so I take back what I said and Apple is doing better than average: https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/01/iphone-top-selling-smartphone-holiday-quarter/

flexcon

Bob24 wrote: »

Yes the X is doing fine vs other iPhone models. Having said that total iPhone sales slightly dropping compared to the previous year should be worrying for Apple. The smartphone market is maturing and won’t support crazy YoY shipment increases anymore, but it shouldn’t lead to stagnation or a drop either if Apple was performing.

DubDJ wrote: »

Kind of goes back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread, Apple have hit a wall with numbers shipped, so they’ve just upped the price as a way to keep the profits growing.

Less iPhones sold compared to last year but more profit, I just hope the trend doesn’t continue.

Overall shipments of iPhones are up 2% YOY. Last year Q1 was one week longer than this year. Take average into account and iPhones Sales are UP. Approx 79 million iPhones.

Markets don't seem to see this part though.

faceman

One thing yesterday’s earnings call is telling us; expensive iPhones are the future.

Really Interested

faceman wrote: »

One thing yesterday’s earnings call is telling us; expensive iPhones are the future.

There has always been a premier phone market my first phone bought in 1989 was 2k in 1998 I bought the Nokia 8810 if I remember that was big money as well. There has always been a market for high end phones what has distorted the market is telcos subsidising handsets. I prefer to have a low monthly charge and buy the phone I like currently the X direct from apple.

Drumpot

I had a new IPhone X but sometimes face recognition doesn’t work.

I also get the impression that some of the older apps (iCloud put all stuff from old phone onto new one) might be causing some issues. The phone crashed once and once or twice it’s been a bit buggy. Anybody with same issues?

duridian

Really Interested wrote: »

I prefer to have a low monthly charge and buy the phone I like currently the X direct from apple.

I pretty much do the same.

Haven't bought a contracted phone in almost a decade, around the time they started bringing in 18 and 24 month contracts instead of 12 month. Also something in me always detested the way carriers SIM lock the phones they supply, even though you have signed a legal contract to stay with them for X number of months.

crisargentina

Tengo el mismo inconveniente...podran indicarme los pasos a seguir?

duridian

crisargentina wrote: »

Tengo el mismo inconveniente...podran indicarme los pasos a seguir?

duridian

crisargentina wrote: »

Tengo el mismo inconveniente...podran indicarme los pasos a seguir?

Disculpe mi broma. No pude resistir.

En serio, ¿de qué problema estás hablando? ¿Es el problema con FaceID como lo menciona Drumpot?

Please excuse my joke. I could not resist.

Seriously, of which problem are you speaking? Is it the problem with FaceID as mentioned by Drumpot?

ION08

Is there any difference between an iPhone X purchased at an Apple Store in the USA and one purchased over here or in Europe?

Bob24

ION08 wrote: »

Is there any difference between an iPhone X purchased at an Apple Store in the USA and one purchased over here or in Europe?

Depends which model you get in the US. If you go a few pages back this was discussed extensively.

flexcon

Bob24 wrote: »

Depends which model you get in the US. If you go a few pages back this was discussed extensively.

https://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/

ION08

Sorry im a little bit lost.

Its a 64gb space grey iphone x

The mrs is bringing one back from the US so im just curious if there are any differences good or bad?

EDIT: Found my answer , thanks. US iPhone X is better. good to kno

flexcon

ION08 wrote: »

Sorry im a little bit lost.

Its a 64gb space grey iphone x

The mrs is bringing one back from the US so im just curious if there are any differences good or bad?

EDIT: Found my answer , thanks. US iPhone X is better. good to kno

As long as she gets the following then you are fine : iPhone X 64GB Space Grey Model:A1901, unlocked. Also known as the T-Mobile GSM to some employees.

The other model, will not work on all 4G masts

BrookieD

I have the A1901 and perfect - full LTE on Virgin Mobile

ION08

flexcon wrote: »

As long as she gets the following then you are fine : iPhone X 64GB Space Grey Model:A1901, unlocked. Also known as the T-Mobile GSM to some employees.

The other model, will not work on all 4G masts

Wait , isnt the A1901 the GSM only, whereas the A1865 is the one with Qualcomm CDMA and GSM ?

I thought the A1865 is the "superior" model in that it works on both GSM and CDMA networks.