'I just want a home for my children' - mum on housing list for 12 years

corner of hells

Geuze wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

We're moving towards full employment expecting to reach it next year with a possible need for immigrant workers.
Cutting the wefare payment and forcing people into schemes is pointless.
There will always be a very small percentage who can't or don't want to work an examples would people happy to work on contract or seasonal employees.

There are several hundred thousand inactive adults in Ireland.

Inactive ?
Full employment is about 96% or so.
It's not possible to achieve 100% for a number of reasons.
They can vary from from people working between contracts , agency workers ; casual workers , seasonal workers etc and so on .
At the moment we're rocking in about 6.5% , maybe 140,000.

BillyBobBS

Doltanian wrote: »

The dole should cut and all lifers transferred onto FAS schemes, put them out in gangs maintaining the backroads and get some work out of them. Very quickly alot would sign off and there is those who would even welcome the work. There has to be an end to the money in return for nothing culture in this country.

Eh what's that got to do with this thread?

BillyBobBS

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Do the council still have responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of these free houses?

Like if a washing machine breaks down the taxpayer has to foot the bill?

Paying twice for everything I am.

What free houses?

end of the road

kildare lad wrote: »

We have a culture here of people leeching off the state. Its an absolute piss take. Im not talking about people who work and lose there job. Im talking about people who have no interest in working or contributing to society getting a free pass. Say theres a couple with two kids, both are on the dole and getting rent allowance, medical cards etc. If they decide on having another child they should pay for the child, themselves by working. What sort of ethics is that to pass on to the next generation, neither parent working, living off the state, when theres plenty of work there at the minute, but some people have the mentality of, ah just have a few kids, get a gaf off the social, you'll be grand.

that "culture" is very small. it's a problem, but it's not a solvible problem.

suicide_circus wrote: »

^^^^a higher rate of job seekers for those who have made prsi contributions (as suggested at the FG Ard fheis yesterday) would at least go some way to incentivising work vs not working. The current situation where person A having never contributed a cent in prsi or usc receives the same dole as person B who has been working for 20 years is deeply immoral.

i have no particular issue with this, but it's not going to incentivise the small few work shy to work. nothing will and realistically what employer would want them?

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'd never normally suggest taking cues from the UK but a benefit cap and only getting help for two kids surely has to be looked at?

again it's a good idea in theory but not workible in practice. it doesn't work in cutting birth rates.

Doltanian wrote: »

The dole should cut and all lifers transferred onto FAS schemes, put them out in gangs maintaining the backroads and get some work out of them. Very quickly alot would sign off and there is those who would even welcome the work. There has to be an end to the money in return for nothing culture in this country.

hugely expensive in terms of supervision and the work already has staff to do it. those who want to work will eventually find work, the small few work shy wouldn't benefit from schemes as no employer will touch them.

Doltanian wrote: »

200,000 is not a small percentage by any means. There would be no need for immigrant labour if our own did the work, they obviously won't so we must force them to do it.

it's not 200000. most of the number who are unemployed are the retired/infirm. a very small proportion of it would be work shy.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Do the council still have responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of these free houses?

Like if a washing machine breaks down the taxpayer has to foot the bill?

Paying twice for everything I am.

nope, you aren't.

PeterParker957

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Do the council still have responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of these free houses?

Like if a washing machine breaks down the taxpayer has to foot the bill?

Paying twice for everything I am.

What free houses?

The ones with a peppercorn rent which is paid by free money.

And when arrears are ran up instead of paying the debtor gets a mob up to protest (c.f. the case in Cork not too long ago).

Those free houses. The ones the rest of us work for.

boardsuser1

PeterParker957 wrote: »

The ones with a peppercorn rent which is paid by free money.

And when arrears are ran up instead of paying the debtor gets a mob up to protest (c.f. the case in Cork not too long ago).

Those free houses. The ones the rest of us work for.

There was no rent paid for the equivalent of 4 years on that property.

The arrears allegedly arose from rent reviews and under declaration of income.

I have no idea if the eviction went ahead though.

PeterParker957

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

The ones with a peppercorn rent which is paid by free money.

And when arrears are ran up instead of paying the debtor gets a mob up to protest (c.f. the case in Cork not too long ago).

Those free houses. The ones the rest of us work for.

There was no rent paid for the equivalent of 4 years on that property.

The arrears allegedly arose from rent reviews and under declaration of income.

I have no idea if the eviction went ahead though.

It absolutely should have though imho.

boardsuser1

PeterParker957 wrote: »

It absolutely should have though imho.

I agree, fair is fair.

One of the activists protesting with the tenant has run for election to the council in the last local elections.

Neil Prendeville holds him in high regard, the activist, not the tenant.

He’s a fellow truck driver.

Geuze

corner of hells wrote: »

Inactive ?
Full employment is about 96% or so.
It's not possible to achieve 100% for a number of reasons.
They can vary from from people working between contracts , agency workers ; casual workers , seasonal workers etc and so on .
At the moment we're rocking in about 6.5% , maybe 140,000.

Although the UNR is falling, our employment rate is not very high.

We have by far the highest rate of people living in VLWI households in the EU.


Example:

Country A - 100 adults, 57 in work, 3 unemployed, 40 inactive - UNR = 5%

Country B - 100 adults, 63 in work, 7 unemployed, 30 inactive - UNR = 10%


Country A appears better, as the UNR is just 5%.

But country A have to support 43 dependents from 57 workers.


We are more like country A, we have too many inactive adults.

pilly

Doltanian wrote: »

Married couples should be prioritised and a fair equitable system of Divorce introduced to prevent women taking men with wealth to the cleaners. If it was up to me I would get rid of Divorce entirely in favour a system of annulments with the Church overseeing it.

Have we suddenly gone into a timewarp and we're back in the 50's???

pilly

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I am delighted for them. Yet another single mum though.... they are everywhere now popping out kids like smarties. Should be able to support themselves if they want to have children, or prevent it if you don't. We have come a long way from the Condom Trains way back when.

But anyway, despite my negative thoughts, this lady was living at home with her child. Many under 30s are also living at home because they cannot afford the rents today.

Hubs for everyone I say! Oh and where is Daddy?

Repealing the 8th will go a long way to helping this problem.

Accidental pregnancies will always happen, no contraceptive is 100% reliable and making women travel for abortion affects those on low income the worst.

JohnMc1

Geuze wrote: »

Although the UNR is falling, our employment rate is not very high.

We have by far the highest rate of people living in VLWI households in the EU.


Example:

Country A - 100 adults, 57 in work, 3 unemployed, 40 inactive - UNR = 5%

Country B - 100 adults, 63 in work, 7 unemployed, 30 inactive - UNR = 10%


Country A appears better, as the UNR is just 5%.

But country A have to support 43 dependents from 57 workers.


We are more like country A, we have too many inactive adults.

Just wait until we have more takers than people paying into the system. That's when everything will kick off.

splinter65

I was standing in a rented house with the landlord and the tenant and the tenants mother.
The tenant has 2 boys who have been removed from her last week when the landlord came to check his property, and he felt he had to phone TUSLA.
It’s a RAS house.
The tenant is crying and full of self pity and her mother is pleading with the landlord that she will pay in full up front for all the repairs that need to be done in the house, if only he will let her stay.
Because this house was her last chance with social housing and she would have no choice but to go home, to her mothers.
This girl would be the poster girl in our town for Can’t Pay Won’t Pay AAA/PBP.
The landlord knows if he puts her out she will turn the whole thing on his head.
Don’t be a landlord.

KKkitty

I live in a council house and I'm damn glad of it. In my opinion sentiment and where your children go to school should go out the window when it comes to finding a "forever home" because wherever you get housed you can always go back to your hometown for a night or two. You can change schools for your kids. They can still see their friends they had in their old school if you make that happen. It may not be every weekend but you can make it happen if you really want to. I've changed homes with my kids but it's always been in the same area roughly. In saying that I'd move further away if nothing else was suitable in my present area. You take what you're given and all that.

cursai

pilly wrote: »

Have we suddenly gone into a timewarp and we're back in the 50's???

The 50s???? More like the 1800's.

kildare lad

GritBiscuit wrote: »

There's also a culture of political corruption and mismanagement...which one do you think costs the average tax payer more? If you put half as much effort into holding the executive to account as you do social welfare recipients, there would be far more potential return than demanding a portion of work-shy society be refused access to social housing...

Yes i agree with your post, but this tread is about people who think they're entitled to houses

boardsuser1

A Fermoy family with 4 children who have been on the county council waiting list for 5 years have pleaded for accommodation.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/The-children-are-just-frozen-every-morning-family-plead-for-accommodation-17c91e7f-ef68-4bb1-bdd7-ce944d59da13-ds

Gatling

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

A Fermoy family with 4 children who have been on the county council waiting list for 5 years have pleaded for accommodation.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/The-children-are-just-frozen-every-morning-family-plead-for-accommodation-17c91e7f-ef68-4bb1-bdd7-ce944d59da13-ds

Do we need to know every story when someone is looking to jump the list by going to the media,

pilly

Nope, some people just have an healthy obsession with it!

Meant to say unhealthy!

weldoninhio

pilly wrote: »

Nope, some people just have an healthy obsession with it!

Have you read the thread title. It’s literally what this thread is about.

boardsuser1

23 Year old pregnant woman loses her local authority home due to anti social behaviour.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pregnant-woman-loses-home-after-making-life-intolerable-for-neighbours-1.3308119

somefeen

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

23 Year old pregnant woman loses her local authority home due to anti social behaviour.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pregnant-woman-loses-home-after-making-life-intolerable-for-neighbours-1.3308119

Is it time to rename the thread ' Social Housing Tenants News Dump' ?

neonsofa

somefeen wrote: »

Is it time to rename the thread ' Social Housing Tenants News Dump' ?

It's obsessive

SSr0

somefeen wrote: »

Is it time to rename the thread ' Social Housing Tenants News Dump' ?

And the main contributor is himself living in social housing.

Stheno

SSr0 wrote: »

And the main contributor is himself living in social housing.

I'm not going to cite all the references here, but to have someone who actively seeks advice on obtaining welfare payments calling out others such as them is ridiculous

I genuinely can't see why they think they can do so,it's like a case of an alternative universe

somefeen

SSr0 wrote: »

And the main contributor is himself living in social housing.

Those who live in state-provided glass houses should not throw stones

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mod noteClosed pending review.

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Edit: Thread gone very far from the OP so it shall remain closed. Thanks to all for their contributions,

Buford T. Justice.