'I just want a home for my children' - mum on housing list for 12 years

DEFTLEFTHAND

Goat the dote wrote: »

Saw a post on a Facebook group yesterday. Woman in a 2 bed council house looking for a bigger house, because, since she got the house she has gotten married and had 2 more children and now needs more space.
I would have thought a clever solution to that would have been to not have 2 more children if you didn't have space in your as-good-as-free house

Understandable, as families grow so do space requirements.

The solution here is to approach a financial lending institution aka 'bank' and seek a mortgage to purchase a bigger house.

Please pass on this info to them.

B.A._Baracus

She be working the system while ya'll be getting your knickers in a twist :pac:

Not saying she is right. Not saying she is wrong. But it is what it is. Not her be someone else. Articles like these just enrage the average non-working system Joe.

kylith

Gringo180 wrote: »

Who needs enemies when they have friends like you.

It's a pity about them. They have a very healthy income, they should be turfed out of social housing to make room for someone genuinely in need.

Foxhound38

Gringo180 wrote: »

Who needs enemies when they have friends like you.

The rest of us are obligated to put up with people screwing us via the system?

Gringo180

kylith wrote: »

It's a pity about them. They have a very healthy income, they should be turfed out of social housing to make room for someone genuinely in need.

Divide and conquer works great in Ireland. A nation of begrudgers. Should we not be more worried as a society of the tax evasion in this country instead of people who are on benefits. The dole and rent allowance costs the country around 10 billion a year, a drop in the ocean compared to big corporations tax avoidance on this island. The aviation industries tax relief alone per annum totals around half a billion a year, then you have European banks getting tax reliefs that are in the billions each year.

Barry Badrinath

I know a 27 year old girl, 2 kids, 2 different sperm donors, never worked a day in her life.

She complains that she has to pay €50 a week to the CC for a 2 bed house in an area with the highest average house prices in Dublin.

Shes complaining because her 21 year old sister has 3 kids, 3 sperm donors and a brand new 3 bed house.....but only pays €25 a week.

Apparently.....its not fair!

kylith

Gringo180 wrote: »

Divide and conquer works great in Ireland. A nation of begrudgers. Should we not be more worried as a society of the tax evasion in this country instead of people who are on benefits. The dole and rent allowance costs the country around 10 billion a year, a drop in the ocean compared to big corporations tax avoidance on this island. The aviation industries tax relief alone per annum totals around half a billion a year, then you have European banks getting tax reliefs that are in the billions each year.

Maybe, just maybe, we can be concerned with both.

People earning 70K a year have no place in social housing when there are families in hotel rooms and shelters.

worded

Winterlong wrote: »

People who work in low paid jobs should be prioritised on the housing list.

Excellent idea there

Also a down ward sliding scale for dole like Poland has

We are a soft touch here

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Owryan

kylith wrote: »

It's a pity about them. They have a very healthy income, they should be turfed out of social housing to make room for someone genuinely in need.

Thats the problem, councils dont evict tenants who can support themselves. So they end up with houses that are occupied by families that are no longer in need of them while families in need of a home go without.

Gringo180

kylith wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, we can be concerned with both.

People earning 70K a year have no place in social housing when there are families in hotel rooms and shelters.

Agree but I dnt believe thats there income after tax especially if the lady in question works in a shop.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

To be exact it was €120,000 not that 20k would make a major difference in the property market.

She earns good money, it's my wages that are low.

Driving an artic for €9.25 an hour is very exciting.

That's incredible.

I'd heard that things were bad since the influx of cheap labour into the European haulage industry but Jesus I didn't realise just how bad.

Get out of it would be my advice. You'd earn more working in a corner shop.

wexandproud

Obvious Otter wrote: »

Exactly and a massive pension crisis is looming too due to the major imbalance. It's become too expensive to have children. The current crop of politicans are just washing their hands with the situation.

We need more babies.

but the problem is , the ones that are cant afford the kids or make no effort to provide for them are the ones having them and a lot of them will be brought with a sense of entitlement and contribute nothing to the coffers of the state .
We are fast approaching nearly full employment and i'll bet the same people [ apart from people with genuine reasons] will be out of work as were out of work during the last spell of full employment , plus chances are they are from families that were out of work during previous times of full employment and the see it as a god given right not to work

wexandproud

ban resistant recalcitrant debutant wrote: »

Hi

I'm a new user.

I'm not a troll but I will argue that the mother involved here is making a rational choice. If she attempted to work she probably wouldn't be able to afford what she will most likely get for free from the taxpayer. Her actions makes sense from that point of view.

Society is supposed to be based on solidarity among individuals. If that solidarity is lost, then society itself no longer really exists, as society by definition requires solidarity.

I myself am on social welfare as a choice. I lie on various forms and say that I am genuinely seeking work when I'm not. I don't feel like a master criminal. I want to live my life in a particular way and so that's what I do.


If the rule of law was very strong in our country then perhaps I'd feel differently. I don't feel bad about what I'm doing in the same way that politicians and the Guards for example don't appear to feel bad about their behaviour.

I worked in Dublin for years and struggled to pay rent and struggled to purchase sufficient cannabis. Now I live down the country, I don't work, I grow my own cannabis, and I collect 10,000 per year social welfare. I much prefer this lifestyle. Politicians are supposed to provide the lifestyle that their constituents call for. No politician is prepared to accommodate me in my preferred lifestyle. That means I simply have to take what I want.

Many other people in Irish society also simply take what they want. So I follow the example laid down by role models, my betters obviously. Irish society appears to be largely corrupt so my minor corruption is on no significance, and I'm not prepared to be lectured to about my acts.

If politicians were prepared to actually represent the population then perhaps things would be different.

If people aren't happy in work then leave work and go on the dole.

By the way, I have no kids. If I did I wouldn't be prepared to live this lifestyle.

its people who make choices like this are the ones that people complain about ''career spongers''. thousands of people all over the country are struggling to get by but they have enough pride and respect for other to stick at it and not admit to make a life of sponging

kylith

Gringo180 wrote: »

Agree but I dnt believe thats there income after tax especially if the lady in question works in a shop.

Boo frikkin' hoo for them. My partner and I combined don't earn that before tax, and we're not expecting anyone to hand us a house pretty much for free. They earn enough to pay rent.

I'm confused about the thread. She's running her own business and renting privately.
What's that got to do with "dole scroungers"? Maybe her business isn't making enough to rent and save a deposit? Goodness knows that wouldn't be a first with current rent prices

kylith

bluewolf wrote: »

I'm confused about the thread. She's running her own business and renting privately.
What's that got to do with "dole scroungers"? Maybe her business isn't making enough to rent and save a deposit? Goodness knows that wouldn't be a first with current rent prices

She used to run her own business. Still doesn't explain why she went on the housing list as soon as she was able, or why she think's she's entitled to one when she's renting. If she's worried about being made to move then that's a valid concern. It's common knowledge that there isn't enough protection for renters in this country; in many European countries owning a home is unusual as most people would rent one house for decades.

Yeah i read the article this morning and thought fair enough, long term rent and a bit of stability needed, we can all understand that. A better renting culture would be good here.
Thought i was in the wrong article when i saw some of these comments

Ultimate Seduction

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Get out of it would be my advice. You'd earn more working in a corner shop.

Get another employer. Still good money to be made in haulage. There's a serious shortage of drivers at the min. Never heard of anyone paying 9.25 an hour that's scandalous.

Owryan

She has a 4yo son who has moved 5 times, no explanation as to why she moves so often. No explanation as to why she feels she deserves a "free" home, no explanation as to why the father(s) of her children is not around, no explanation why she has spent 12 years on the housing list without trying to make things happen herself.

There are plenty of more deserving cases out there, why was this one singled out unless it was looking for a reaction. Most of the comments on twitter are echoing the sentiment here.

jack of all

gctest50 wrote: »

The place needs babies though or the aging population thing will get worse


The country needs babies that will grow up to be responsible, working adults who contribute to society through meaningful work, paying taxes etc. We don't need another jobless generation who know only "entitlement".

retro:electro

"There is a crisis and we are all in the same boat and none of us on the waiting list are getting anywhere,"


I think where she has gone wrong is she has lumped herself in with genuine cases and feels this gives her case more legitimacy. It doesn't. No effort to house yourself in 12 years? No sympathy.

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

"There is a crisis and we are all in the same boat and none of us on the waiting list are getting anywhere,"


I think where she has gone wrong is she has lumped herself in with genuine cases and feels this gives her case more legitimacy. It doesn't. No effort to house yourself in 12 years? No sympathy.

Is renting privately not housing herself

retro:electro

bluewolf wrote: »

Is renting privately not housing herself

Not for her apparently.

osarusan

anna080 wrote: »

Not for her apparently.

The point is that if she is renting privately, she is housing herself, so your comment that she has made no attempt to house herself in 12 years would not be correct.

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

Not for her apparently.

Well she wants a house because renting is so short term and she'd like stability. Clearly she can't afford both rent and mortgage. How is that making no attempt?

Am i actually on a different planet here? I just read a fb post from someone paying 1600 rent watching rte tell them they need to just stop buying chippers and they'd afford a mortgage in no time. Meanwhile this womam has pointed out theres loads of vacant houses being put to no use in her area and a long waiting list. Loads of people are in the same boat.
Sure i dont know why she went on it at 18, but she clearly was out there doing something to be renting and business starting and had her first child at 28 (you'd nearly think she was 15 from the posts) . Why all the vitriol?

the_syco

Owryan wrote: »

She has a 4yo son who has moved 5 times, no explanation as to why she moves so often. No explanation as to why she feels she deserves a "free" home

If she sees it as a "free" home, I'm guessing eviction due to non-payment of rent?

The sad thing is she probably thinks it's completely normal to go on a housing list to begin with. I worked in social housing and saw this mentality all the time, it wasn't unusual to see the children brought up in a council house put themselves on the list once they were old enough, like that's what the obvious next step was. They would see their parent/s with this lifestyle and have no incentive to break out of that cycle and provide for themselves.

I hope I'm not generalizing, I also came across those that couldn't wait to better themselves and would avail of the education assistance the social housing organisation provided to go to college and get on the right path. But there definitely is a mentality there and more needs to be done in terms of getting people to break out of this cycle

Ultimate Seduction

Don't like people getting "free" houses while others cripple themselves with mortgages, but that's not going to change. It's almost impossible to buy your own house now though unless your on 30k + a year.

I pay 850 per month rent out of my wages 1900 per month, can't get a mortgage though.

Worst thing about this wan is the father is probably living with her on the sly, and doing 5 days a week work on the sly.

retro:electro

bluewolf wrote: »

Well she wants a house because renting is so short term and she'd like stability. Clearly she can't afford both rent and mortgage. How is that making no attempt?

Am i actually on a different planet here? I just read a fb post from someone paying 1600 rent watching rte tell them they need to just stop buying chippers and they'd afford a mortgage in no time. Meanwhile this womam has pointed out theres loads of vacant houses being put to no use in her area and a long waiting list. Loads of people are in the same boat.
Sure i dont know why she went on it at 18, but she clearly was out there doing something to be renting and business starting and had her first child at 28 (you'd nearly think she was 15 from the posts) . Why all the vitriol?

Ya bluewolf I think you are on a different planet. I have no sympathy for someone who has never worked, moaning to the papers about how her free house isn't coming fast enough.

Stheno

anna080 wrote: »

Ya bluewolf I think you are on a different planet. I have no sympathy for someone who has never worked, moaning to the papers about how her free house isn't coming fast enough.

She had her own business?

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

Ya bluewolf I think you are on a different planet. I have no sympathy for someone who has never worked, moaning to the papers about how her free house isn't coming fast enough.

Sorry where does it say she never worked?
And how was she renting privately all this time if she never worked?
The threshhold for a council waiting list is <35-37k pa for a single adult?

HONKEY TONK

Can anyone answer a question

If you are on the housing list. How often are you means tested while on the housing list?

boardsuser1

Owryan wrote: »

Father's are obligated to support their children regardless of their paternal rights strangely enough. It's the only legal right unmarried father's have if they don't meet the requirements for automatic guardianship.

I can attest to that even with guardianship.

boardsuser1

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Get another employer. Still good money to be made in haulage. There's a serious shortage of drivers at the min. Never heard of anyone paying 9.25 an hour that's scandalous.

I can give you a nice list of employers who do pay that and lower.

That's just in Cork.

boardsuser1

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

I know a 27 year old girl, 2 kids, 2 different sperm donors, never worked a day in her life.

She complains that she has to pay €50 a week to the CC for a 2 bed house in an area with the highest average house prices in Dublin.

Shes complaining because her 21 year old sister has 3 kids, 3 sperm donors and a brand new 3 bed house.....but only pays €25 a week.

Apparently.....its not fair!

The first scenario sounds like my ex!

boardsuser1

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

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That's incredible.

I'd heard that things were bad since the influx of cheap labour into the European haulage industry but Jesus I didn't realise just how bad.

Get out of it would be my advice. You'd earn more working in a corner shop.

Hoping to return to college at night to start off.

HONKEY TONK

bluewolf wrote: »

The threshhold for a council waiting list is <35-37k pa for a single adult?

Is that when applying or are you means tested while on the Waiting list?

RoisinClare6

This Kind of thing boggles my mind it really does!

why at 18 would you have to this ? Only if you have zero intention to work in my opinion!

I seen on the wexford mammys page yesterday a woman saying she has 2 kids 15 and 18 with another on the way she wanted to know of the council would pay for an extension because her first 2 are to old to share so she needs an extra room when the baby comes. I was flabbergasted.

I'm 25, a good chunk of girls I went to school with have had kids a few are on their 3rd kid and are nearly all in council homes. Very few of them work. Why do the rest of us bother? Sure I don't need to save I'll just pop our a few babies stay on the dole and I'll be grand!

I've heard a few stories of young ones here in Carlow who are refusing houses because of size and location it's ridiculous. There was a new council estate i think last year and they were all furnished by the council and within days some of the people who moved in there were selling off the new furniture etc on Facebook selling pages.

end of the road

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Understandable, as families grow so do space requirements.

The solution here is to approach a financial lending institution aka 'bank' and seek a mortgage to purchase a bigger house.

Please pass on this info to them.

that's not a solution, as she will not be able to afford to make the repayments.
the banks must not give out mortgages to those who cannot afford them and must be extra-stringent on who they give them to, to prevent the tax payer from having to bail them out again.

worded wrote: »

Excellent idea there

Also a down ward sliding scale for dole like Poland has

We are a soft touch here

we aren't a soft touch. a downward sliding scale for dole like Poland has would not be cost effective and would cause more costly to deal with social issues. it's not financially or socially viable.

kylith wrote: »

Boo frikkin' hoo for them. My partner and I combined don't earn that before tax, and we're not expecting anyone to hand us a house pretty much for free. They earn enough to pay rent.

nobody in ireland gets a house for free

HONKEY TONK

end of the road wrote: »

nobody in ireland gets a house for free

If I was on social welfare living in a council house having never worked, How did I not get the house for free?

end of the road

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

If I was on social welfare living in a council house having never worked, How did I not get the house for free?

tenants in social housing are obligated and required to pay rent to the local authority.

boardsuser1

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

If I was on social welfare living in a council house having never worked, How did I not get the house for free?

You pay rent for the 'free' house based on your income

Rezident

Foxhound38 wrote: »

The article, for those that want to read it.

The jist of it is that she's 32, eldest child is 4, and she's been on the housing list for 12 years, and it's all the government and everyone elses fault that she doesn't have a "forever home" and shame on x, y and z etc etc.

I'm sorry, this might be an unpopular opinion but something just isn't adding up here - why would anyone go on the housing list and spend 10 years on it starting at aged 18 with no dependents if there was ever a plan to actually do what the rest of us do and work and save and THEN get a house? Stories like this make me feel like those of us who burst our b0llocks to work and pay tax and save for a mortgage are the eejits here - maybe we all should have decided to give up on any plan to be a productive member of society and went on the housing list at aged 18 - 20, maybe have a few sprogs we have no way of supporting properly and have a moan to the paper about how our subsequently crap situation is everyone else fault and hey presto; free house with no mortgage to deal with!

I have sympathy for people's circumstances and it must be difficult in her current situation with 2 kids (although why in the name of jaysus you'd have TWO kids with no way to put a roof over their heads is beyond me) but at what point in this homeless crisis can government and society not be blamed for crap life choices and a lack of being ar$ed to take responsibility for people's own lives?

We are the eejits and the only way to stop it is for us all to go on the dole and break the rotten system. But we won't do that, because we're the eejits.

boardsuser1

Rezident wrote: »

We are the eejits and the only way to stop it is for us all to go on the dole and break the rotten system. But we won't do that, because we're the eejits.

You sound like my neighbour.

Never have I met a man who is so anti council tenants than that guy.

HONKEY TONK

end of the road wrote: »

tenants in social housing are obligated and required to pay rent to the local authority.

So The FREE money im getting from the state is used to pay rent back to the state?

Pkiernan

Great country to be a dirty lazy deadbeat in.

Ipso

I want to extend my welcome to Wolfie Smith.

ThunbergsAreGo

Owryan wrote: »

"Mammy and Daddy threw me out and ive nowhere to live, honest*"

*May not be honest but it's one way to get on the list.

Would be better to look at why mammy and daddy throw people out

Fr_Dougal

She's in this situation and has a 10 week old kid? Wtf happened to personal responsibility?

No doubt she'll have another kid soon to move herself up the housing list.

Parasites like this should be sterilised.