Footballer of the Year

kilns

kilns wrote: »

Andy Moran took 7 steps for Lee Keegans goal, so I guess both goals were illegal so

That just shows you up as a liar kilns, he didn't take 7 steps, but you already knew that. You need to watch the video again for Keegans goal(perfectly legal), unlike O'Callaghans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfipsyLllLA

kilns

Deleted User wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Andy Moran took 7 steps for Lee Keegans goal, so I guess both goals were illegal so

That just shows you up as a liar kilns, he didn't take 7 steps, but you already knew that You need to watch the video again for Keegans goal(perfectly legal).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfipsyLllLA

Are you serious??  or just cant count
Andy Moran from the moment he caught the ball to the moment he handpassed it took 7 steps.

kilns

kilns wrote: »

Are you serious??  or just cant count
Andy Moran from the moment he caught the ball to the moment he handpassed it took 7 steps.

He must have awful small steps :rolleyes:

kilns

kilns wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Andy Moran took 7 steps for Lee Keegans goal, so I guess both goals were illegal so

That just shows you up as a liar kilns, he didn't take 7 steps, but you already knew that You need to watch the video again for Keegans goal(perfectly legal).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfipsyLllLA

Are you serious??  or just cant count
Andy Moran from the moment he caught the ball to the moment he handpassed it took 7 steps.

The rule is not enforced strictly but dont go moaning about O'Callaghans goal, if Mayos goal was technically illegal also

kilns

Deleted User wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Are you serious??  or just cant count
Andy Moran from the moment he caught the ball to the moment he handpassed it took 7 steps.

He must have awful small steps :rolleyes:

It doesnt matter if they are long strides or small strides a step is a step and he took 7, God you cant even admit that. There is no hope for you

blanch152

kilns wrote: »

Are you serious??  or just cant count
Andy Moran from the moment he caught the ball to the moment he handpassed it took 7 steps.

Andy Moran also took about 9 steps before kicking his first point.

If we want to get pedantic about rules, Dublin should have had another free at the end after Clarke's kick-out went over the sideline as the Mayo players didn't retreat the 13m.

kilns

kilns wrote: »

It doesnt matter if they are long strides or small strides a step is a step and he took 7, God you cant even admit that. There is no hope for you

You may want to slow it down for yourself :eek:. Your imagining things now.

kilns

Do you know what a step is, should I get the dictionary out for you
Continue in your dillusional world there.
As others have stated the rule is not strictly enforced

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

They are really making a mockery of it now. Kicks away the All-Ireland and is nominated for POTY.

Had Dublin lost Cluxton would be taking a lot of the blame on the day. He was awful in the first half and Mayo should have been a lot further ahead. That they were not had nothing to do with Cluxton.

Is his nomination a mockery too?

MayoAreMagic

Stoner wrote: »

It's not nonsense though seligehgit,

If it's Boyle and Moran vs McCarthy Moran will have less chance than if it is
Moran vs McCarthy or Mannion it works both ways imo

It is nonsense actually. The thing is voted on by the players, for the players. They don't vote on a per county basis, they vote for the player.
Let's take your example there. Moran has been better than boyle, so why would people start voting for boyle; the outsider, simply because he is from mayo, rather than Moran or McCarthy?

What you describe is relevant in local elections where people vote for a guy from their area, because they want someone from their area as a councillor so they can get their road fixed, with who it is not really that important. If two guys run, they split the vote in the area and the guy from the neighbouring area, who is the only guy running from there, gets in ahead of the two of them. It isn't applicable for poty because the parameters are completely different - nobody is voting for someone based on where they are from. Like whose vote is getting split in your above example? The mayo players? They only get about 25 votes anyway, same as every other county. Fair enough all the dubs would probably vote for McCarthy, but that is hardly an example of split voting. Id imagine most of the mayo lads would vote for moran anyway. Plus there are 800-odd votes from neurtal counties to be factored in, which would completely overpower any difference in the Mayo-Dublin players vote. So what votes are getting split?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Had Dublin lost Cluxton would be taking a lot of the blame on the day. He was awful in the first half and Mayo should have been a lot further ahead. That they were not had nothing to do with Cluxton.

Is his nomination a mockery too?

Cluxton made 19/25 on his kickouts on the day. I have yet to see the stats for Clarke, but I don't need to, he kicked away the All-Ireland with his last two kicks.

kilns

I guess it is a testimony to how good Cluxton is when people say he had a terrible first half because some of his kick outs where contested 50/50

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

No, Keegan last year was the heart ruling the head, nobody thought Mayo would come back from that defeat and there was an awful lot of sympathy for him and them. With Moran likely to retire, that sympathy will continue.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the POTY go regularly to one of the gallant losers over the next few years if Moran gets it this year as it becomes seen as a consolation prize for missing out on an All-Ireland medal.

Well history tells us that a player from a losing team very rarely wins it, so the evidence suggests that you are wrong, again.

blanch152

kilns wrote: »

I guess it is a testimony to how good Cluxton is when people say he had a terrible first half because some of his kick outs where contested 50/50

Any other goalkeeper going in at half-time 8/14 would be absolutely delighted.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Cluxton made 19/25 on his kickouts on the day. I have yet to see the stats for Clarke, but I don't need to, he kicked away the All-Ireland with his last two kicks.

I don't have a bitchy problem with another player getting a nomination, Cluxton deserves his over the year (it is Player of the YEAR after all) but your reasoning is suspect here.

Cluxton had one good half. If Mayo had taken full advantage in the first half, he would be taking a lot of the blame.
If you are gonna criticise a player for one missed kick, please be consistent like a good lad?

But it was the decisions to put James McCarthy back on Aidan O’Shea, and Stephen Cluxton’s half-time kickout alterations that proved decisive.
In the first half Mayo won six of Dublin’s 14 kickouts. Cluxton kicked eight long, beyond his own 45 metre line, with Dublin winning only two of them. Three of Mayo’s six wins were marks, as they were the more comfortable under the high ball. In fact, Mayo kicked 45 per cent of their own kickouts long (winning 70 per cent of them) which highlighted their preference.

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

I guess it is a testimony to how good Cluxton is when people say he had a terrible first half because some of his kick outs where contested 50/50

Id agree with that to a degree. It shows how good his kickouts have been. Although many were straight to mayo men (plural) rather than 50-50, plus he kept doing it until he had to be ordered to stop. Id imagine it is a game he would rather forget.

Stoner

MayoAreMagic wrote:

It is nonsense actually. The thing is voted on by the players, for the players. They don't vote on a per county basis, they vote for the player

I'm sorry but you don't know how they vote you don't speak for them. You are making an assumption. We are just offering opinions here.

It's very possible that some will vote for the player or a county.
They might vote for a friend or against an enemy regardless of how they played that year. That's human nature.

squrm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Id agree with that to a degree. It shows how good his kickouts have been. Although many were straight to mayo men (plural) rather than 50-50, plus he kept doing it until he had to be ordered to stop. Id imagine it is a game he would rather forget.

Ehh...... you think?!

MayoAreMagic

Stoner wrote: »

I'm sorry but you don't know how they vote you don't speak for them. You are making an assumption. We are just offering opinions here.

It's very possible that some will vote for the player or a county.
They might vote for a friend or against an enemy regardless of how they played that year. That's human nature.

Im not making assumptions at all. I explained fully the concept of split voting and when it is and isn't applicable.
You are now talking about voting for a friend, yet James McCarthy can have as many friends as anyone else, so that also isn't applicable as it balances out. The only way it could be split voting is if it were only Mayo and Dublin players voting - it isn't.

Face it man, split voting does not apply in the POTY award

ProudDUB

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Im not making assumptions at all. I explained fully the concept of split voting and when it is and isn't applicable.
You are now talking about voting for a friend, yet James McCarthy can have as many friends as anyone else, so that also isn't applicable.

You are not a player with a vote. Therefore you know sweet fcuk all about how the voting is going to go, or what is or is not appplicable and when. None of us do. The only people that know, are the players themselves, so less of the patronizing lectures.

Crash Bang Wall

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, stats can be manipulated.

Look at Clarke, no matter how good his kickout stats were on Sunday, the last two were the losing of the game.

I dont think I, or anyone else, mentioned Clarke should be in the running for POTY. However, you and others reckon Cluxton is. Im giving you the cons to go with the Pros re Cluxton.

This bullcr@p re Moran getting a sympathy vote for POTY. He was the most inflential Mayo player all year. Up to Sunday, all the talk was about Kilkenny and O Callaghan, until Keegan stuck handpass in his pocket, now its McCarthy and Cluxton!! Moran has been standout all year for Mayo

MayoAreMagic

ProudDUB wrote: »

You are not a player with a vote. Therefore you know sweet fcuk all about how the voting is going to go, or what is or is not appplicable and when. None of us do. The only people that know, are the players themselves, so less of the patronizing lectures.

You don't need to be a player with a vote to understand split voting and know when it is applicable or not. It doesn't apply in this instance like it did in say the Kerry elections where the Healy-Raes actively avoided the effects of it by telling people in one place to vote for one brother and the other place to vote for the other. I suppose those were patronising lectures too :cool:
If you cant understand how the parameters are different well that is your problem.

If we take your attitude then none of us are intercounty gaa players so we better close the forum :rolleyes:

Split voting doesn't apply, and now you realise it, so maybe less of the feigned indignation bs.

corny

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Surprised Con O'Callaghan hasn't got more attention. I think because he's going to win ypoty they've left him out. MOTM vs Kildare, magic performance against Tyrone, great goal again Mayo and although he didn't score afterwards he retained back really well and was still one of our best forwards. He's probably scored the two best goals of the season, in the SF and F all Ireland games. If he was 25 years old I feel like he'd have at least been nominated for poty.

I've always been a big McCarthy fan but have to say I was a little surprised when his name was so actively mentioned. The more I think about it the more I realise he's been very good I suppose. Wouldn't begrudge him or Moran

Its like that every year the All Stars are chosen on one or two moments that stick in peoples minds. McCarthy got it because he scored twice. In previous years his tremendous work around the field was ignored because he didn't get on the scoresheet.

In short the judging of these things are a nonsense.

kilns

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, stats can be manipulated.

Look at Clarke, no matter how good his kickout stats were on Sunday, the last two were the losing of the game.

I dont think I, or anyone else, mentioned Clarke should be in the running for POTY. However, you and others reckon Cluxton is. Im giving you the cons to go with the Pros re Cluxton.

This bullcr@p re Moran getting a sympathy vote for POTY. He was the most inflential Mayo player all year. Up to Sunday, all the talk was about Kilkenny and O Callaghan, until Keegan stuck handpass in his pocket, now its McCarthy and Cluxton!! Moran has been standout all year for Mayo

Its a good debate, Mayo fans are rightly saying Moran has had a great year and he has but has he been destroying teams in his wake which makes him the only contender for the POTY aware, no he hasnt.  The point some have been making here is that same Dublin players have been playing to as high a standard but it has been masked somewhat as others around them too have been playing at that level, unlike with Mayo for most of the season. 
So its an open debate really and going by the nominations its a two horse race between Moran and McCarthy and if its a tight call its human nature to side with the guy who has had heartbreak this year.  Thats why I think Moran will win it

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

Its a good debate, Mayo fans are rightly saying Moran has had a great year and he has but has he been destroying teams in his wake which makes him the only contender for the POTY aware, no he hasnt.  The point some have been making here is that same Dublin players have been playing to as high a standard but it has been masked somewhat as others around them too have been playing at that level, unlike with Mayo for most of the season. 
So its an open debate really and going by the nominations its a two horse race between Moran and McCarthy and if its a tight call its human nature to side with the guy who has had heartbreak this year.  Thats why I think Moran will win it

History tells us that players dont vote for heartbreak.
However, in this instance it is handy that the guy with the heartbreak is also the front runner based on his performances.

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Its a good debate, Mayo fans are rightly saying Moran has had a great year and he has but has he been destroying teams in his wake which makes him the only contender for the POTY aware, no he hasnt.  The point some have been making here is that same Dublin players have been playing to as high a standard but it has been masked somewhat as others around them too have been playing at that level, unlike with Mayo for most of the season. 
So its an open debate really and going by the nominations its a two horse race between Moran and McCarthy and if its a tight call its human nature to side with the guy who has had heartbreak this year.  Thats why I think Moran will win it

History tells us that players dont vote for heartbreak.
However, in this instance it is handy that the guy with the heartbreak is also the front runner based on his performances.

Would you just give it over now
I outlined the point why he wasnt the clear frontrunner and my thoughts on why he will win the award

Stoner

MayoAreMagic wrote:

If we take your attitude then none of us are intercounty gaa players so we better close the forum

The very simple point is that you don't speak for or represent any of the players .
They will vote not you, they will have their view on it and they won't all look at it the same way. They certainly all won't look at the way you do.

Again this is a discussion forum as I explained already.

Thankfully the only mind that you can control or represent is your own.

I'm sure you'll keep this going and try to bring it into another area to save face, but the reality is that you have no idea how others think.

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

Would you just give it over now
I outlined the point why he wasnt the clear frontrunner and my thoughts on why he will win the award

You are entitled to your opinion on the topic. Im entitled to point out where it isnt accurate.
I see paddy power have him favourite too. Maybe you should send them a strongly worded letter?

stoner wrote: »

The very simple point is that you don't speak for or represent any of the players .
They will vote not you, they will have their view on it and they won't all look at it the same way. They certainly all won't look at the way you do.
Again this is a discussion forum as I explained already.
Thankfully the only mind that you can control or represent is your own.
I'm sure you'll keep this going and try to bring it into another area to save face, but the reality is that you have no idea how others think.

I suppose I could use your old routine and say it is only your opinion that I don't represent any of the players...

All the things you have underlined do not bias the vote in any way. Andy Moran could have 2 mates in donegal, but then cluxton could have 3. One guy could look at it one way, but then another could look a different way. Those things balance out and therefore do not bias the vote.

However, the point being debated is split voting creating an imbalance for or against someone in particular. There is 100% no evidence to support that this exists and all logic suggests that it in fact does not. Case closed.

Shurimgreat

I think what might tell in Moran's favour is that Mayo gave value for money from day 1 in the championship and played in a number of entertaining and enthralling games. Most Dublin games were boring and over by half time. They were no contests. Its hard to remember performances in a boring game.
That said Moran more than deserves the award from a footballing point of view. I don't think the others came close over the course of the championship.
Also, I'd have included Dean Rock in the nominations ahead of Cluxton.

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Would you just give it over now
I outlined the point why he wasnt the clear frontrunner and my thoughts on why he will win the award

You are entitled to your opinion on the topic. Im entitled to point out where it isnt accurate.
I see paddy power have him favourite too. Maybe you shpuld send thwm a strongly worded letter?

Its inaccurate in your own little world, You fail to highlight why he is so far ahead than the others.
If you knew anything about bookmakers operate you would know that they go where the money goes and its obvious there will be a groundswell of good will for Andy Moran to win it and Mayo fans will bet on it. But you probably know how they think too, your the expert.  You should be the next Mayo manager and team pyscologist with all that expert knowledge you possess

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

Its inaccurate in your own little world, You fail to highlight why he is so far ahead than the others.
If you knew anything about bookmakers operate you would know that they go where the money goes and its obvious there will be a groundswell of good will for Andy Moran to win it and Mayo fans will bet on it. But you probably know how they think too, your the expert. You should be the next Mayo manager and team pyscologist with all that expert knowledge you possess

They made him favourite after the final. The odds were set with him as favourite. Money didn't affect it.
As for good will, well there is 10 times the number of people in Dublin as in mayo, surely if the money was going anywhere it was going on McCarthy...

Personally, I don't buy into that. Moran was made favourite because he has put in more big performances than McCarthy. That is the long and short of it. Your assertion that players are going to vote for him for reasons other than football is just insulting to the players. They have more expertise than you do.

MayoAreMagic

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think what might tell in Moran's favour is that Mayo gave value for money from day 1 in the championship and played in a number of entertaining and enthralling games. Most Dublin games were boring and over by half time. They were no contests. Its hard to remember performances in a boring game.
That said Moran more than deserves the award from a footballing point of view. I don't think the others came close over the course of the championship.
Also, I'd have included Dean Rock in the nominations ahead of Cluxton.

Agreed. There are numerous players who had better seasons than Cluxton. McCaffrey, O'Callaghan, Mannion for Dublin alone

blanch152

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

I dont think I, or anyone else, mentioned Clarke should be in the running for POTY. However, you and others reckon Cluxton is. Im giving you the cons to go with the Pros re Cluxton.

This bullcr@p re Moran getting a sympathy vote for POTY. He was the most inflential Mayo player all year. Up to Sunday, all the talk was about Kilkenny and O Callaghan, until Keegan stuck handpass in his pocket, now its McCarthy and Cluxton!! Moran has been standout all year for Mayo

Clarke is one of the four nominees for POTY, so how is he not in the running?

Someone else posted earlier and seemed to be suggesting that Mayo winning 70% of their own kick-outs in the first half was a good thing. Dublin won 76% of Cluxton's kick-outs throughout the game, but that seems to be a bad result?

Very curious.

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

Clarke is one of the four nominees for POTY, so how is he not in the running?

Someone else posted earlier and seemed to be suggesting that Mayo winning 70% of their own kick-outs in the first half was a good thing. Dublin won 76% of Cluxton's kick-outs throughout the game, but that seems to be a bad result?

Very curious.

Id say it is because Clarke made more big saves in his triple save against Kerry, than cluxton did all year...
6% of a difference in kickouts over one game doesn't really feature in respect to that...

ProudDUB

Split voting is very likely to affects an election, when two people from the same county, political party or Best Actors nominees at Oscar time, get nominated in pairs, where there is only one other single nominee from the other team, party, film. It's only commons sense to realise that. The only people who know for sure the degree of it, are the voters themselves. Having an opinion on a match is one thing. Any keyboard warrior can have one of those. Noones opinion is of more value than anyone elses. Having vote in a silent ballot is something else entirely.

If the geniuses in charges of this years voting decided to come up with 4 nominees, then this year, there may be less chance of it. But it doesn't change the fact that in previous years, it may have been a factor, despite the hysterical outrage when Lee Keegans winning it last year comes up.

The 2 Waterford lads nominated for this years Hurler of The Year, will probably split the Waterford vote, leaving the door wide open for Joe Canning to win it. Will he win it? Possibly. Will he deserve it? Possibly. Will he get it due to the sympathy factor of carrying Galway by himself for so long? Possibly. Will he get some votes purely for the point he hit at the end of the Tipp semi? Possibly? Will he get some votes for how he has carried himself in the aftermath of the win, especially with the Keadys? Possibly. Will he get zero votes from some Tipp lads, as they will never vote for anyone from Galway on point of principle? Possibly. Will some voters be affected by Joe Cannings media profile over the past 10 years? Did Gearoid McInerney's relatively low profile (by comparison) affect his chances of being nominated? Possibly. Are there other factors affecting the voting, that I know sweet eff all about? Very possibly. I just don't know. Noone here does. The only thing that we do know is that in elections, it is very possible that other factors may be at play when it comes to the voting, than who is the most deserving winner.

I'm already on record as saying that AM would be a very deserving winner. I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year about Lee Keegan. But anyone who thinks that no other factors are ever at play in these things, is just sticking their head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge reality, or human nature.

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Id say it is because Clarke made more big saves in his triple save against Kerry, than cluxton did all year...
6% of a difference in kickouts over one game doesn't really feature in respect to that...

But we've been repeatedly told that Cluxton had a disaster in terms of kick-outs on All-Ireland day...so where does that leave Clarke.

As for big saves and goalkeeping, only 6 goals conceded in 14 League and Championship games tells its own story.

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

Its inaccurate in your own little world, You fail to highlight why he is so far ahead than the others.
If you knew anything about bookmakers operate you would know that they go where the money goes and its obvious there will be a groundswell of good will for Andy Moran to win it and Mayo fans will bet on it. But you probably know how they think too, your the expert.  You should be the next Mayo manager and team pyscologist with all that expert knowledge you possess

They made him favourite after the final. The odds were set with him as favourite. Money didn't affect it.
As for good will, well there is 10 times the number of people in Dublin as in mayo, surely if the money was going anywhere it was going on McCarthy...

Personally, I don't buy into that. Moran was made favourite because he has put in more big performances than McCarthy. That is the long and short of it. Your assertion that players are going to vote for him for reasons other than football is just insulting to the players. They have more expertise than you do.

I dont why I keep answering to idiots like you but I will.
Bookmakers couldnt give two craps who was the best player of the year.  They have experts who assess certain markets and determine betting trends, who will bet and then they follow the money.  Its the reason why Conor McGregor was stupidly short odds in a fight he was never going to win, because people were willing to put money on him or its why England are one of the English bookies favourites to win a football World Cup everytime, because that who bets on it
What were Morans big performances, semi final against Kerry?  What was McCarthys big performance? Final against Mayo.  Thats why it is not clear cut.  But knowing you, you probably would give Moran a 9 rating for the final and McCarthy a 7

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

But we've been repeatedly told that Cluxton had a disaster in terms of kick-outs on All-Ireland day...so where does that leave Clarke.

As for big saves and goalkeeping, only 6 goals conceded in 14 League and Championship games tells its own story.

You have a problem with a player winning for his performance over the YEAR based on one kick. :rolleyes:

I don't have a problem with any player nominated winning this. But if one kick rules you out should a bad half not also rule one out?

You are hoist on your own bull**** logic here blanch I'm afraid.

Shurimgreat

FFS!
There are two nominated from Mayo and two nominated from Dublin.
So why should split voting impact Dublin but not Mayo?
This is getting ridiculous.

At the end of the day, people will vote for who they think is the best footballer.

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

But we've been repeatedly told that Cluxton had a disaster in terms of kick-outs on All-Ireland day...so where does that leave Clarke.

As for big saves and goalkeeping, only 6 goals conceded in 14 League and Championship games tells its own story.

Because looking at the figures in isolation of what occurred in the game is misleading - purposely in this case. Being told to go short because your long ones are a liability is like a free taker being told not to shoot at the posts and then trying to say that he never put any wide.

What big saves did he make? I can think of a penalty save and the Doherty one. List the rest out there.

kilns

The fact is it will be a tight race between McCarthy and Moran, the other two wont come into the equation.  It really is a 50/50 call.  But if you were a Tipperary player sitting down to pick one, its only human nature, if you are 50/50 to say hey McCarthy has won the All Ireland, Moran deserves something considering he is coming to end of a long career too
Its not a dig at Moran its just a natural reaction and if you dispute that any emotion comes into that you are really naiive

MayoAreMagic

ProudDUB wrote: »

Split voting is very likely to affects an election, when two people from the same county, political party or Best Actors nominees at Oscar time, get nominated in pairs, where there is only one other single nominee from the other team, party, film. It's only commons sense to realise that. The only people who know for sure the degree of it, are the voters themselves. Having an opinion on a match is one thing. Any keyboard warrior can have one of those. Noones opinion is of more value than anyone elses. Having vote in a silent ballot is something else entirely.

I do realise that it will affect some votes. I have already explained how and why. I also realise that it doesn't affect others, and again have explained how and why. It will affect a local councillor vote for example. It wont affect a countrywide poty vote.

ProudDUB wrote: »

If the geniuses in charges of this years voting decided to come up with 4 nominees, then this year, there may be less chance of it. But it doesn't change the fact that in previous years, it may have been a factor, despite the hysterical outrage when Lee Keegans winning it last year comes up.

But how? What votes are being split? The Dublin player's vote? For starters why are they voting for a less deserving dub than a more deserving dub? Is there a split in the camp or something? Secondly, there are only 25 of them. So even if it were to split at the most extreme case of 12-13, which frankly isn't likely anyway, there are still 25 votes from every other county to be counted. It is actually idiotic. If the Dublin players had to vote for the Dublin poty they would vote for their best player, yet we are to believe that they start cheating the same guy out of it when it is a countrywide then. It is nonsense.

ProudDUB wrote: »

The 2 Waterford lads nominated for this years Hurler of The Year, will probably split the Waterford vote, leaving the door wide open for Joe Canning to win it. Will he win it? Possibly. Will he deserve it? Possibly. Will he get it due to the sympathy factor of carrying Galway by himself for so long? Possibly. Will he get some votes purely for the point he hit at the end of the Tipp semi? Possibly? Will he get some votes for how he has carried himself in the aftermath of the win, especially with the Keadys? Possibly. Will he get zero votes from some Tipp lads, as they will never vote for anyone from Galway on point of principle? Possibly. Will some voters be affected by Joe Cannings media profile over the past 10 years? Did Gearoid McInerney's relatively low profile (by comparison) affect his chances of being nominated? Possibly. Are there other factors affecting the voting, that I know sweet eff all about? Very possibly. I just don't know. Noone here does. The only thing that we do know is that in elections, it is very possible that other factors may be at play when it comes to the voting, than who is the most deserving winner.

This stuff might be relevant if it were a public vote, but it isn't, it is players only. Players aren't as thick as you seem to think they are.

ProudDUB wrote: »

I'm already on record as saying that AM would be a very deserving winner. I'm pretty sure I said the same thing last year about Lee Keegan. But anyone who thinks that no other factors are ever at play in these things, is just sticking their head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge reality, or human nature.

Other factors? Well who knows. But we are talking about specifically - split voting. There is no evidence to suggest that this is a factor, and all logic suggests it isn't.

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

The fact is it will be a tight race between McCarthy and Moran, the other two wont come into the equation. It really is a 50/50 call. But if you were a Tipperary player sitting down to pick one, its only human nature, if you are 50/50 to say hey McCarthy has won the All Ireland, Moran deserves something considering he is coming to end of a long career too
Its not a dig at Moran its just a natural reaction and if you dispute that any emotion comes into that you are really naiive

No, the fact is the above is your justification for moran winning it, instead of having to admit that he won it on merit. Fanboy stuff.

Shurimgreat

kilns wrote: »

The fact is it will be a tight race between McCarthy and Moran, the other two wont come into the equation.  It really is a 50/50 call.  But if you were a Tipperary player sitting down to pick one, its only human nature, if you are 50/50 to say hey McCarthy has won the All Ireland, Moran deserves something considering he is coming to end of a long career too
Its not a dig at Moran its just a natural reaction and if you dispute that any emotion comes into that you are really naiive

The whiff of begrudgery from you towards anyone not from Dublin is overpowering at this stage.
If Moran wins be a man about it and accept it. No ifs, buts or maybes.

What is it about Dubliners wanting everything and not willing to give anything to the rest of the country?

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

The fact is it will be a tight race between McCarthy and Moran, the other two wont come into the equation.  It really is a 50/50 call.  But if you were a Tipperary player sitting down to pick one, its only human nature, if you are 50/50 to say hey McCarthy has won the All Ireland, Moran deserves something considering he is coming to end of a long career too
Its not a dig at Moran its just a natural reaction and if you dispute that any emotion comes into that you are really naiive

No, the fact is the above is your justification for moran winning it, instead of having to admit that he won it on merit. Fanboy stuff.

That sentence doesnt really make sense but whatever.
I have no issue if Andy Moran wins it, I am a fan of his, I think he is an excellent and very intelligent player, but that does not alter the fact he has not been head and shoulders above everyone else this year.  In fact the last player that was, was probably James ODonogue

Irish Raven

Reading the comments on this forum....i cant wait till we stick it to Mayo again next year...all these defeats have made their supporters bitter and delusional, one lad is actually contradicting himself the more he posts! I know Mayo are losers, but now their bitter losers!!

Martina1991

kilns wrote: »

  But if you were a Tipperary player sitting down to pick one, its only human nature, if you are 50/50 to say hey McCarthy has won the All Ireland, Moran deserves something considering he is coming to end of a long career too
Its not a dig at Moran its just a natural reaction and if you dispute that any emotion comes into that you are really naiive

From the past 10 years 8/10 POTY were from the All Ireland winning team.

Maybe some players will vote with sympathy but I can't see it influencing the vast majority of inter county players.

I just hope that IF Andy wins, we don't see a load of Dublin fans disregarding the achievement as a consolation prize.

Shurimgreat

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

No, the fact is the above is your justification for moran winning it, instead of having to admit that he won it on merit. Fanboy stuff.

I think you are fighting a losing battle.
Begrudgery towards everyone not from Dublin seems ingrained in some people at this stage.
They are unwilling to concede that any player is better than a Dublin player.

Like I said earlier, the idea that Stephen "kick it 5 yards to the corner back" Cluxton should win it over Andy Moran is laughable.
As for split voting, Mayo also have two players in the running, something conveniently overlooked.

Let's see what other excuses and conspiracy theories they come up with!

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

That sentence doesnt really make sense but whatever.
I have no issue if Andy Moran wins it, I am a fan of his, I think he is an excellent and very intelligent player, but that does not alter the fact he has not been head and shoulders above everyone else this year. In fact the last player that was, was probably James ODonogue

He doesn't need to be head and shoulders ahead, he just needs to be ahead, and he is.

Irish Raven

Martina1991 wrote:

I just hope that IF Andy wins, we don't see a load of Dublin fans disregarding the achievement as a consolation prize.

The same way people are disregarding this Dublin teams all ireland success and the 3 in a row?