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Ryanair Strike implications re Cancellations NO INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS POSTS

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    #1652
    LeChienMefiant
    Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭LeChienMefiant


    737max wrote: »
    Will there be a picket line which others have to cross? I wouldn't want to be the captain there of a cancelled flight with 189 x however many flights full of angry passengers turning up in Dublin Airport with nowhere to go.
    Tel me again... how much do these guys earn? I can't see them garnering even as much sympathy as the Luas drivers got on their last strike, and that wasn't much.


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    #1653
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Strike action is not covered by EC261

    No compensation, just a straight refund or rebooking on a later flight (no obligation to fly you on another airline).

    Travel insurance is for this purpose, but too late to take it out now as the insured risk has moved from highly unlikely to very likely so a claim would be denied


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    #1654
    robyntmorton
    Registered Users Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭robyntmorton


    Statement issued by Ryanair:

    https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-to-face-down-ialpa-threatened-strike/

    I have flights booked with them for mid January, and at this stage I am not at all worried by what is going on. Maybe a bit closer to the date, but I don't think it will be allowed to drag on.


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    #1655
    737max
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    If that statement is right about it being mostly Pilots who are working out their notice period then I don't see how they can maintain a sustained campaign against the company.


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    #1656
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    737max wrote:
    If that statement is right about it being mostly Pilots who are working out their notice period then I don't see how they can maintain a sustained campaign against the company.


    It's not mostly pilots working notice. That's more Ryanair misinformation.

    Do they ever tell the truth?!


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    #1657
    devnull
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    https://corporate.ryanair.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/IALPA.pdf

    IALPA wants to be recognized as the party to represent all Ryanair pilots rather than just their own members.

    Seems like an attempt at a power grab by a union with it's own agenda to me rather than one who wants to represent the staff purely to help them.


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    #1658
    737max
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    View Profile wrote: »
    It's not mostly pilots working notice. That's more Ryanair misinformation.

    Do they ever tell the truth?!
    Maybe these pilots don't know that these are their final days working for the Company one way or t'other.


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    #1659
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    737max wrote:
    Maybe these pilots don't know that these are their final days working for the Company one way or t'other.


    Firing hundreds of Captain's would ruin Ryanair.


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    #1660
    737max
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    79 troublemakers in Dublin.


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    #1661
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    737max wrote:
    79 troublemakers in Dublin.


    Plus the guys in Portugal, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Holland, Belgium.


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    #1662
    737max
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    They'll get around to them in time when and as they misbehave.


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    #1663
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    737max wrote:
    They'll get around to them in time when and as they misbehave.


    And then they'll ground the fleet due no crew.

    Shoot themselves in the foot.


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    #1664
    pepe the prawn
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    737max wrote: »
    79 troublemakers in Dublin.

    Do you know something that we don’t? Do you think those 79 pilots are being unreasonable in their demands?


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    #1665
    737max
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    "Do you think those 79 pilots are being unreasonable in their demands? "
    Do you really need to ask this? How out of touch are you?


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    #1666
    Fred Swanson
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    This post has been deleted.


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    #1667
    Sysmod
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    Thanks goingnowhere,

    We have travel insurance which covers cancellation which is a fallback position, I'll ask them about covering an alternative flight.
    eg if Aer Lingus will fly us the next day or two at say 600 euro per head and we lose two hotel nights.

    Or if the strike is Wed only then Ryanair may offer to take us on the next day or two and we just lose the first holiday hotel nights and have to stay near Dublin airport.

    What a mess to have to deal with.


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    #1668
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    737max wrote:
    "Do you think those 79 pilots are being unreasonable in their demands? " Do you really need to ask this? How out of touch are you?


    So staff who have to buy their own water and coffee despite the company earning profits of over a billion are being unreasonable?!
    Is that you Michael?!


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    #1669
    Pink11
    Registered Users Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Pink11


    Used ryanair for years and had no problems up to now.

    At weekend had flight cancelled due to weather which is fair enough but link to re-book flight for free wasn't working so we all had to fork out 300euro per ticket to fly back next day!

    Have sent in a claim form but reading online it takes 2 months to get a reply is this true!?


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    #1670
    L1011
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    737max wrote: »
    They'll get around to them in time when and as they misbehave.

    Fire the bulk of the experienced captains and hire qualified replacements from where, exactly?

    You do not understand either industrial negotiations or how the bulk of people (e.g. not you) see companies who treat staff like that.


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    #1671
    737max
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    If you back that man in to a corner then he'll pay above market rates to get a non-union labour and the labour will be there in plentiful supply. Pilots don't want to be flying around Asia, South America or Africa. He'll find plenty of pilots if the price is right.


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    #1672
    LeChienMefiant
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    View Profile wrote: »
    So staff who have to buy their own water and coffee despite the company earning profits of over a billion are being unreasonable?!
    Is that you Michael?!
    I'd happily buy my own food and drinks for €150,000 a year. Oh wait, I already do (except the €150k bit).


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    #1673
    L1011
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    View Profile wrote: »
    737max seems to be either really stupid or has an agenda!

    Attack the post, not the poster
    737max wrote: »
    If you back that man in to a corner then he'll pay above market rates to get a non-union labour and the labour will be there in plentiful supply. Pilots don't want to be flying around Asia, South America or Africa. He'll find plenty of pilots if the price is right.

    So pay more than they do currently just so they can think they've made a victory?

    Same issue will come back again.

    Also, I'd suggest you take a look at the conditions for experienced captains in airlines in those countries - its low hour FOs that get treated like dirt there. And its mostly captains striking here.


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    #1674
    737max
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    View Profile wrote: »
    737max seems to be either really stupid or has an agenda!
    My agenda is that of a Consumer who doesn't want to see Unions taking control of an industry to the detriment of the travelling public.
    What's your agenda?


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    737max wrote:
    If you back that man in to a corner then he'll pay above market rates to get a non-union labour and the labour will be there in plentiful supply. Pilots don't want to be flying around Asia, South America or Africa. He'll find plenty of pilots if the price is right.


    Pilots flying in Asia and ME get well looked after by their employer.
    High pay, benefits, pension etc.

    These Skippers don't want to work the miser OLeary!


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    #1676
    737max
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    View Profile wrote: »
    Pilots flying in Asia and ME get well looked after by their employer.
    High pay, benefits, pension etc.

    These Skippers don't want to work the miser OLeary!
    They or a sizable proportion do want to work in Europe.


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    #1677
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    737max wrote:
    They or a sizable proportion do want to work in Europe.


    Yeah for Easy, and other airlines where staff are treated with respect.

    My agenda is very clear. Any wealthy company that exploits it's workers for the greed of the shareholders deserves being taken down a peg or two.

    A CEO that shares the wealth is a CEO that staff want.


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    #1678
    LeChienMefiant
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    View Profile wrote: »
    A CEO that shares the wealth is a CEO that staff want.
    But not shareholders, who actually own the airline.


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    #1679
    737max
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    You are one for the emotive language.
    Ryanair pilots are by no stretch of the imagination "exploited" or poorly paid.
    Ryanair will not sacrifice the workforce flexibility that it enjoys as that undermines the success of the company. I as a Consumer welcome this as I wish to fly inexpensively around Europe.


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    #1680
    L1011
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    737max wrote: »
    You are one for the emotive language.
    Ryanair pilots are by no stretch of the imagination "exploited" or poorly paid.
    Ryanair will not sacrifice the workforce flexibility that it enjoys as that undermines the success of the company. I as a Consumer welcome this as I wish to fly inexpensively around Europe.

    You are suggesting they pay different pilots higher amounts to keep that flexibility. That increases costs even more

    Your logic on this does not hold.


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    #1681
    737max
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    L1011 wrote: »
    You are suggesting they pay different pilots higher amounts to keep that flexibility. That increases costs even more

    Your logic on this does not hold.
    The logic holds true perfectly. Most mulit-nationals operate like this. Pay key staff well as long as they are flexible. Fight unions to the death.

    This move here is an obvious attempt at a power grab by the trade union movement against the entire industry; that won't end well for either the Airlines in general or the Consumer.


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