The lonely and often cruel world of porn

lazybones32

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Porn is a job that girls can absolutely make the best of if they choose to do so.

There are of course many hard luck stories (usually the cocaine fiends) but there's also the ones that used the cash they earned to put themselves through collage.

Lots of women now directing and producing porn now also:


The porn industry is far from the sinkhole many people (the ones with agendas) would have us all believe it to be.

"Buttman", actor, producer and distributor of porn had a documentary-style show made about him years ago, which was shown on Bravo. A teenage girl sought an industry introduction but the same girl was the daughter of someone he knew, so he took her to the lower budget studio productions, to show her that the glitz, glamour and fancy sets aren't the norm but the exception. She was brought to a motel room where 2 or 3 guys were going to plough some woman and it was being recorded on a hand-held camera.

123shooter

fryup wrote: »

pornography is for sad bastards who can't get a girlfriend

I've had a girlfriend for over 30 years and watched porn in all that time........I have also been called a bastard throughout that time also but never sad, watching porn makes me happy and short sighted.

123shooter

I think some people in Ireland are just stuck in a moralistic time warp where they become obsessed and think they should have a view on other peoples sex lives.

ArchXStanton

It's worse than the Rap music industry for claiming victims..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBx4lgieMAs

Spider Web

123shooter wrote: »

I think some people in Ireland are just stuck in a moralistic time warp where they become obsessed and think they should have a view on other peoples sex lives.

The porn industry is being discussed, not the above.

A dislike of porn doesn't necessarily mean the above at all anyway. It's not even a commentary on other people's sex lives, it's a commentary on an industry/depiction of sex on film.

123shooter

Spider Web wrote: »

The porn industry is being discussed, not the above.

A dislike of porn doesn't necessarily mean the above at all anyway. It's not even a commentary on other people's sex lives, it's a commentary on an industry/depiction of sex on film.

In a way I agree........but porn is always a part of peoples lives whether as a couple or as a single user/watcher.

As regards the sex/porn industry........it is a fading business because today most porn is 'home made' as part of peoples sex lives...........and amateurs or people not in the porn industry you refer too make money or become full time porn stars without being part of the porn industry you refer too..........so the porn industry has branched off in to another direction where the housewife/girlfriend/single person can make their own porn and sell the films etc.

I see no problem with it and what people do with their own bodies and what they do to make money is entirely up to them and none of anybody else's business. Consenting adults and all that.

philstar

yes i look at it ...but there's no getting away from the fact that porn as an industry is sleazy, full of sleazy creepy people

Rumpy Pumpy

There was an extremely grim documentary released a few years back about the industry. Women were coming into the scene and being spat out a few months later with a drug habit and a prolapsed anus. It was all about churn and 'new talent'. The directors and some of the male actors were sociopathic individuals and producing extremely disturbing pornography for a misogynistic online audience looking for nastier kicks. Everyone from the viewer to the young women were desensitised to what was happening.

It was a very difficult watch.

123shooter

philstar wrote: »

yes i look at it ...but there's no getting away from the fact that porn as an industry is sleazy, full of sleazy creepy people

Life is full of sleazy people. Look at governments and you will find the worse kind. Porn probably has no more than any other kind of life.

As regards tv docu's on such..............It ain't gonna be very watchable if they can't find some horror show or sleazy characters to fill the 60 minutes.

123shooter

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

There was an extremely grim documentary released a few years back about the industry. Women were coming into the scene and being spat out a few months later with a drug habit and a prolapsed anus. It was all about churn and 'new talent'. The directors and some of the male actors were sociopathic individuals and producing extremely disturbing pornography for a misogynistic online audience looking for nastier kicks. Everyone from the viewer to the young women were desensitised to what was happening.

It was a very difficult watch.

I think I saw that........was it about 15 - 17 years ago with a very nasty individual who liked to hurt people and an English girl who met every bad person in America?

What I have seen one side of the porn industry is totally different now.

Spider Web

123shooter wrote: »

I see no problem with it and what people do with their own bodies and what they do to make money is entirely up to them and none of anybody else's business. Consenting adults and all that.

I agree but the issue being discussed here is when abuse comes into the above. And tbh, if people find films with a young woman or man getting ploughed by a few others and deep throating a few penises... it's hardly crazy unreasonable to question how ideal this is as a job.

It's easy to say their choice, consenting adults, nobody else's business etc, but nobody would want their family member doing it.

Criticism of the type of porn we are talking about does not mean taking issue with films of people having sex full stop at all.

123shooter wrote: »

Life is full of sleazy people. Look at governments and you will find the worse kind. Porn probably has no more than any other kind of life.

As regards tv docu's on such..............It ain't gonna be very watchable if they can't find some horror show or sleazy characters to fill the 60 minutes.

But I mean we can whatabout when it comes to anything - we would never discuss anything then though.

myshirt

Did that plumber ever fix that sink in the end?

Irish Guitarist

Naked women are great but I've never liked porn involving a man and a woman. I've never seen an attractive woman and thought "she'd look even better if she was having sex with a man who isn't me" or "her face would be even nicer with jizz all over it".

Billy86

The internet is also rapidly changing the porn industry, as it apparently is the prostitution industry too - doing huge damage to large scale providers but also giving a platform for independent producers/would be porn stars to set up their own website or account on whatever websites and try to get as many viewers, subscribers, etc as they can. The result apparently being less overall profit, but more flexibility and freedom (and I would assume as least, less exploitation). After watching Louis Theroux's documentaries on the porn industry, this is surely a good thing.

Likewise with prostitution, apparently it is not doing much damage to the overall industry but instead is killing off the role of the pimp as women can make a profile or website online and set up appointments, vet clients, etc etc before meeting them rather than being left vulnerable on a street corner. Again that has to be a good thing, at least compared to what was there before.

Spider Web

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

There was an extremely grim documentary released a few years back about the industry. Women were coming into the scene and being spat out a few months later with a drug habit and a prolapsed anus. It was all about churn and 'new talent'. The directors and some of the male actors were sociopathic individuals and producing extremely disturbing pornography for a misogynistic online audience looking for nastier kicks. Everyone from the viewer to the young women were desensitised to what was happening.

It was a very difficult watch.

There was a glut of those types of documentaries between 2001 and 2004 or so - now in fairness they were just examining the very very extreme side of it, but they were indeed utterly frightening.

123shooter

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Naked women are great but I've never liked porn involving a man and a woman. I've never seen an attractive woman and thought "she'd look even better if she was having sex with a man who isn't me" or "her face would be even nicer with jizz all over it".

I agree with you entirely but the point is some people 'do' like that stuff that is why they do it..........so hey who are we?

123shooter

Spider Web wrote: »

I agree but the issue being discussed here is when abuse comes into the above. And tbh, if people find films with a young woman or man getting ploughed by a few others and deep throating a few penises... it's hardly crazy unreasonable to question how ideal this is as a job.

A very good one possibly because I have done worse jobs and so do a lot of other people unfortunatley.

It's easy to say their choice, consenting adults, nobody else's business etc, but nobody would want their family member doing it.

Actually you mention family members........a lot of the new stuff involves wifes and girlfriends and hubby's and boyfriends.

BorneTobyWilde

It should be a drug tested profession. One can't go to work high on drugs in any other profession so why are they allowed.

Spider Web

123shooter wrote: »

A very good one possibly because I have done worse jobs and so do a lot of other people unfortunatley.

Yes, there are worse jobs around the world - but we are not talking about them.

When I say family member, I don't mean partner or spouse - I mean child or sibling.

B.A._Baracus

Watch both Louis Therox documentaries and that's all you'll need to know how seedy the 'industry' is.

Just as someone says in the second documentary: "they're all sluts" - same goes for escorts. Messed up people in a messed up industry.

hatrickpatrick

Wibbs wrote: »

Oddly enough the first two things that jumped out at me(missus!) were these two lines.





There seems to be a real fear these days to make any moral judgement. Not even "moral", just any judgement itself. An odd equivalence applied to a reality where things that are good and things that are bad can be defined. Now I understand why this is seen as a better worldview in the face of people and philosophies that damn near judge everything, but IMHO we can sometimes throw the baby out with the bathwater too. Some things are bad, some things are good. Viewing a 19 year old chugging cock on camera for a couple of hundred bucks and the possibility of "fame" and attention because there's a customer for that as a "legitimate choice" is not so good. For the 19 year old in question, nor the society that doesn't see that as any great issue, or makes it more likely that said 19 year old is more likely to see chugging cock on camera as a viable career alternative. Never mind that under their breath and behind the eyes people and societies most certainly do judge.

TBH I find professional porn of little interest, all close up prick pistoned orifices and fake tits and feelings and oddly jarring at times. A few years back I recall watching some blonde totty exposing her guts to male appendages and the camera saying "oh gosh I'm coming", because the crucifix on her neck would burn her skin if she profaned by saying "oh god". As a tableau of morals at cross purposes I struggle to find a better one.

For some people, sex is nothing more than a fun pastime, no baggage attached. I'm not one of those people, but I don't believe anybody has a moral right to enforce their own cultural beliefs about sex upon anybody else - that's why I view such judgment as inherently wrong. If someone enjoys, or is ok with, "chugging cock on camera for fame or a hundred bucks", then that's all that matters - there's no such thing as right and wrong except where there's an unwilling victim involved.

123shooter

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Watch both Louis Therox documentaries and that's all you'll need to know how seedy the 'industry' is.

Just as someone says in the second documentary: "they're all sluts" - same goes for escorts. Messed up people in a messed up industry.

Can you explain what you mean by 'sluts'.

Mervyn Skidmore

Porn gives people unrealistic expectations as to how quick a tradesman can make it to their house.

123shooter

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Porn gives people unrealistic expectations as to how quick a tradesman can make it to their house.

It also glorifies plumbing as a profession.........but if it's true about taxi drivers......I am getting a license Monday morning.

lazybones32

123shooter wrote: »

Can you explain what you mean by 'sluts'.

"They're all sluts" was in quotation marks, meaning it was a phrase used by someone in the 2nd documentary and not by the poster.

123shooter

lazybones32 wrote: »

"They're all sluts" was in quotation marks, meaning it was a phrase used by someone in the 2nd documentary and not by the poster.

I'm just curious how many men a woman has to have sex with before she qualifies to be a 'slut'.

From my experience a 'slut' or 'slag' was usually a girl/woman who had got off with a man the other girls wanted to get off with or was living the free life other girls/women would love to have:)

Ursus Horribilis

123shooter wrote: »

It also glorifies plumbing as a profession.........but if it's true about taxi drivers......I am getting a license Monday morning.

Don't be depending on it for a living though. There seems to be a lot of ladies travelling in taxies who've forgotten their purse.

123shooter

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Don't be depending on it for a living though. There seems to be a lot of ladies travelling in taxies who've forgotten their purse.

That's what I was banking on:D

BorneTobyWilde

You could find a positive article for every negative one. Depends on the perspective and experiences of the people involved.

B.A._Baracus

123shooter wrote: »

Can you explain what you mean by 'sluts'.

I know what you are trying to do. Sparking off a big "how dare you call a woman a slut!"

But we're talking about porn stars here ffs. Get out more will ya.

123shooter

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I know what you are trying to do. Sparking off a big "how dare you call a woman a slut!"

But we're talking about porn stars here ffs. Get out more will ya.

No you should read my later post

Galwayguy35

ArchXStanton wrote: »

It's worse than the Rap music industry for claiming victims..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBx4lgieMAs

I'm not sure was it it making porn that killed most of them though.

The ones who died in 1990/91 were riddled with Aids which was also killing movie stars and musicians as well due to the fact that they were having unprotected sex with loads of people.

The rest of them seemed to be prostitutes or drug users who got mixed up with some very dangerous people.

Spider Web

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

For some people, sex is nothing more than a fun pastime, no baggage attached. I'm not one of those people, but I don't believe anybody has a moral right to enforce their own cultural beliefs about sex upon anybody else - that's why I view such judgment as inherently wrong. If someone enjoys, or is ok with, "chugging cock on camera for fame or a hundred bucks", then that's all that matters - there's no such thing as right and wrong except where there's an unwilling victim involved.

Freedom of speech includes judging though, and sometimes it's not definite that they're willing (going by negatives documented, and drug addiction being common in the industry).

Then there are those who do want to do it, but wondering why would anyone want to do that (same as the way I wonder why someone would want to work in a really busy bar or doing door to door sales) is just expressing a point of view.

impr0v

There's a good documentary series on Netflix on this topic. "Hot Girls Wanted - Turned On", I believe is the name of it. Worth a watch.

The_Valeyard

Right got it.

It's not a right wing moralising thread about porn.


It's a left wing moralising thread about porn.



Porn.



Porn.


Porn.

The_Valeyard

impr0v wrote: »

There's a good documentary series on Netflix on this topic. "Hot Girls Wanted - Turned On", I believe is the name of it. Worth a watch.

Just not the kind of watching with your pants around your ankle and some lube nearby.

Spider Web

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Right got it.

It's not a right wing moralising thread about porn.


It's a left wing moralising thread about porn.

Tis not that either. I don't know that concerns about the industry is the same thing as moralising.

Porn.



Porn.


Porn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJplsEt-zg

limnam

John_D80 wrote: »

No they don't. The overwhelming majority of people do not rely on any form of drugs for comfort.

Yea,

You can see the alcohol and nicotine markets dying any day now....

corner of hells

123shooter wrote: »

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Porn gives people unrealistic expectations as to how quick a tradesman can make it to their house.

It also glorifies plumbing as a profession.........but if it's true about taxi drivers......I am getting a license Monday morning.

I choose the wrong profession , I'm an electrician , I have to.pull my own wire.

tedpan

John_D80 wrote:

No they don't. The overwhelming majority of people do not rely on any form of drugs for comfort.

Sure, you don't ever go out for a beer?

123shooter

corner of hells wrote: »

I choose the wrong profession , I'm an electrician , I have to.pull my own wire.

:eek: Shocking !

take everything

Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn.

Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

It's no longer about a woman's sexual allure or beauty. And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
More annoying than anything else.

limnam

take everything wrote: »

Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men and women out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
More annoying than anything else.

FYP

BrokenArrows

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^

excuse me, i never looked at pornography in my life

Haha. A quick search for your posts and the word "porn" would suggest otherwise.

Ulysses Gaze

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^

excuse me, i never looked at pornography in my life

scamalert

there is no need to make porn anymore as one comedian said if you were to put kid to watch porn alphabetically 50 years later he still would be in anal section

jamesbere

take everything wrote: »

Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn.

Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

It's no longer about a woman's sexual allure or beauty. And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
More annoying than anything else.

Hey don't bash tentacle porn

lazybones32

take everything wrote: »

Nothing against porn as such but I'm always amazed at the extremity of men's fantasies when it comes to porn.

Psychosexually there is a whole lot of fcuking weirdos out there.

It's no longer about a woman's sexual allure or beauty. And there's only one way porn goes like any drug or food addiction. Escalation. Boiled frog analogy.

Ah I don't care. But a lot of dopey men out there addicted to this stuff rationalising it away.
More annoying than anything else.

You should read up on women's fantasies!...

I was 'friends'* with a few women on a Yahoo! group a few years ago and every one of them had her own fetish and were only too willing to divulge. Some were standard, some were far out.



* - i was friendly in an online capacity; they were majority yanks, so i never met them and wouldn't consider them a friend.

AndrewJRenko

jamesbere wrote: »

Hey don't bash tentacle porn

I gave up on it after it went mainstream;

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086034/

Outlaw Pete

lazybones32 wrote: »

"Buttman", actor, producer and distributor of porn had a documentary-style show made about him years ago, which was shown on Bravo. A teenage girl sought an industry introduction but the same girl was the daughter of someone he knew, so he took her to the lower budget studio productions, to show her that the glitz, glamour and fancy sets aren't the norm but the exception. She was brought to a motel room where 2 or 3 guys were going to plough some woman and it was being recorded on a hand-held camera.

Stagliano, yeah, but yet you highlight that it was being shot with a handheld camera like that's a bad thing. Handheld camera shot porn is what made Stagliano a multi millionaire. Himself, Seymore Butts and Pier Woodman transformed the industry at a time when it was all fake boobs and cheesy dialogue features. Today almost all porn is Gonzo, so much so that the name is almost redundant as a result and the girls making the most from the industry are shooting that genre.

If there's anyone that should get sympathy in the porn industry, it's the guys. They get paid fcuk all compared to women, for doing the same work (some could argue more work) and they rarely become big name stars unless they produce/direct, like James Deen or a Rocco. Ron Jeremy the exception of course but he only became the name he did because ugly guys needed someone they could relate to.

I guess my point was that you can focus on whatever section of the industry you want and make a story about that to reflect whatever narrative it is that you want to but that's true of almost all industries. I remember watching a docu years ago about this filthy little hackney firm in Birmingham where ten of the drivers had topped themselves but to say that it was a true reflection of what the average taxi driver's life is like, would be a nonsense.

You could do the same with the restaurant industry too, and show what it's like to work in the kitchens of run down back street takeaways. Follow a few people home to their bedsits and show them crying after washing dishes for 8 hours straight. Or you could go the other route and show some high end Michelin star places where the staff earn more, work in better conditions, drive better cars. Don't see why the pron industry would or should be any different. It's runs the gamut, from squalor to decadence and why wouldn't it.