Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

big syke

tayto lover wrote: »

Bet he'll turn on the Christmas lights and marshal the St. Patrick's Day parade.

*Holiday lights

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Bet he'll turn on the Christmas lights and marshal the St. Patrick's Day parade.

You cant be forcing Muslims to switch on Christmas lights, that would be RACIST!

weldoninhio

First Up wrote: »

You could improve your recollection with some readily available facts.
There was talk of "safe passage" out of the mosque. The Halawas say they thought it too risky as the army was still outside.

The police eventually entered and took the occupants to jail. The Halawa girls spent 3 months in jail before being bailed and allowed leave Egypt.

There was never an offer or an option for any of them leave the mosque and return to Ireland.

"Irish officials say safe passage was guaranteed to the ambassador and the Irish government, and that it would have been guaranteed to the Halawas in person. Under the arrangement, the siblings would be taken from the scene, searched, have their records checked and then be released."

Jawgap

weldoninhio wrote: »

"Irish officials say safe passage was guaranteed to the ambassador and the Irish government, and that it would have been guaranteed to the Halawas in person. Under the arrangement, the siblings would be taken from the scene, searched, have their records checked and then be released."

Also a couple of other groups had availed of similar safe passage assurances without incident.

Idiot-boy wanted to make a statement.......fair enough. He probably didn't think he'd have been banged up for nearly a fraction as long as he was, but it's wrong to gloss over his own significant contribution to his situation.

Barry Badrinath

Its great the way people say he and his family have no connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Well except this photo of the Halawa supporters with the Muslim Brotherhood symbol.

Why oh why would Halawa supporters wear MB tshirts and have the families picture with the same MB symbol?

Hhhmmmmmm

Jawgap

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Its great the way people say he and his family have no connection to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Well except this photo of the Halawa supporters with the Muslim Brotherhood symbol.

Why oh why would Halawa supporters wear MB tshirts and have the families picture with the same MB symbol?

Hhhmmmmmm

Indeed, why would so many posters of him be styled in black and yellow.....I'm sure it's just a coincidence that those colours are also the colours used in the Rabbi'ah symbol, which is emblematic of the MB.

Barry Badrinath

Jawgap wrote: »

Indeed, why would so many posters of him be styled in black and yellow.....I'm sure it's just a coincidence that those colours are also the colours used in the Rabbi'ah symbol, which is emblematic of the MB.

Exactly.

The symbol which was borne a from the 40 day sit in protests.

Has to be a coincidence alright.....no other explanation....none.

...And Justice

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Exactly.

The symbol which was borne a from the 40 day sit in protests.

Has to be a coincidence alright.....no other explanation....none.

Now stop that hyperbolic conspiracy theory....theres no fire without smoke..etc..etc.

We'll let the apologists have the stage for the next few posts to explain why they love Isis sympathisers.

end of the road

AnneFrank wrote: »

LOL how naive of you, if only life was that simple

nope, wrong. he was acquited in egypt so is therefore innocent of those charges. he is also innocent of all other allegations until proven otherwise.

Jawgap wrote: »

Always worth remembering that this idiot had safe passage negotiated for himself and his sisters out of the mosque by Ambassador Moylan and he refused to take it.

I'm glad he's safe and on his way home, but let's not pretend anything other than stupidity led him to spend so much time locked up. He'd have been home 4 years ago if he'd not been such an arse.

doesn't matter as the military were surrounding the mosq and were under orders to arrest or murder all within it, especially if they left.

gw80 wrote: »

Yea just like OJ.

exactly. both were not guilty of their charges.

big syke wrote: »

*Holiday lights

no . christmas lights.

SEPT 23 1989

Bit of a showman thinks he has support of the majority of people in this country

Give him enough rope

Snake Plisken

end of the road wrote: »

nope, wrong. he was acquited in egypt so is therefore innocent of those charges. he is also innocent of all other allegations until proven otherwise.



doesn't matter as the military were surrounding the mosq and were under orders to arrest or murder all within it, especially if they left.




exactly. both were not guilty of their charges.



no . christmas lights.

I’d say you have the cocktail sausages burgers and the welcome home signs already for your Boy’s homecoming!

...And Justice

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I’d say you have the cocktail sausages burgers and the welcome home signs already for your Boy’s homecoming!

Few slices of ham too

Jawgap

end of the road wrote: »

nope, wrong. he was acquited in egypt so is therefore innocent of those charges. he is also innocent of all other allegations until proven otherwise.

I know you can't grasp this but for the benefit of others I'll state the obvious.......acquittal does not equate to innocence. There are myriad reasons why someone can be acquitted. OJ was acquitted......was he innocent?

end of the road wrote: »

doesn't matter as the military were surrounding the mosq and were under orders to arrest or murder all within it, especially if they left.
.

Actually it does. The Irish ambassador (the real hero of the tale) played a blinder negotiating their safe passage, when strictly speaking she had no role......two groups were safely removed under the provisions agreed and there was no reason to think the Halawas would be treated any less favourably. Their passage wasn't barred - they chose to stay.

It seems to be a huge deal here that this 17-year-old guy was supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, whose candidate won the election:

The party won almost half the seats in the 2011–12 parliamentary elections, and its candidate, Mohamed Morsi, won the June 2012 presidential election.[10] However President Mohammad Morsi was overthrown after mass protests within a year (Source )

This winning of elections by ineffably backward troglodyte cúnts is indeed a downside of democracy. It must be just as galling, however, for people from these headwreckingly backward cultures to see that when their side play by western democratic values and win, that the west's commitment to democracy as a principle is non-existent and that a military overthrow of democracy in Egypt was, and remains, more preferable to leaders of the "democratic" west.

So between classic Western colonial hypocrisy on the principle of democracy - remember Ireland only has PR-STV as a voting system because the British introduced it in 1919 to undermine Sinn Fein's landslide 1918 victory - and these doltish pre-medieval Islamic nutjobs we're spoilt for choice.

As for this guy, I'd be inclined to cut him some slack as he was only 17 at the time. However his auld fella and all the dodgy money going into their backward ideology in Ireland should not be tiptoed around as it has always been and investigations are long overdue. Oh, and if ever there is an advertisement for removing religious control from state-funded schools it is the idea of these troglodyte lulas having a separate education system in Ireland. The sheer myopia of Irish state education policy is painful right on this point.

Ffs

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-could-hire-private-jet-to-fly-freed-ibrahim-halawa-home-to-ireland-36149413.html

tayto lover

cisk wrote: »

Ffs

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-could-hire-private-jet-to-fly-freed-ibrahim-halawa-home-to-ireland-36149413.html

Should be a rubber dingy.

SEPT 23 1989

cisk wrote: »

Ffs

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-could-hire-private-jet-to-fly-freed-ibrahim-halawa-home-to-ireland-36149413.html

How much has this lads little adventure cost the people who pay tax on their earnings?

AnneFrank

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It seems to be a huge deal here that this 17-year-old guy was supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, whose candidate won the election:

The party won almost half the seats in the 2011–12 parliamentary elections, and its candidate, Mohamed Morsi, won the June 2012 presidential election.[10] However President Mohammad Morsi was overthrown after mass protests within a year (Source )

This winning of elections by ineffably backward troglodyte cúnts is indeed a downside of democracy. It must be just as galling, however, for people from these headwreckingly backward cultures to see that when their side play by western democratic values and win, that the west's commitment to democracy as a principle is non-existent and that a military overthrow of democracy in Egypt was, and remains, more preferable to leaders of the "democratic" west.

So between classic Western colonial hypocrisy on the principle of democracy - remember Ireland only has PR-STV as a voting system because the British introduced it in 1919 to undermine Sinn Fein's landslide 1918 victory - and these doltish pre-medieval Islamic nutjobs we're spoilt for choice.

As for this guy, I'd be inclined to cut him some slack as he was only 17 at the time. However his auld fella and all the dodgy money going into their backward ideology in Ireland should not be tiptoed around as it has always been and investigations are long overdue. Oh, and if ever there is an advertisement for removing religious control from state-funded schools it is the idea of these troglodyte lulas having a separate education system in Ireland. The sheer myopia of Irish state education policy is painful right on this point.

Wow, self indulgence in a nutshell.

...And Justice

cisk wrote: »

Ffs

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-could-hire-private-jet-to-fly-freed-ibrahim-halawa-home-to-ireland-36149413.html

Wànkers....

AlekSmart

Jawgap wrote: »

I know you can't grasp this but for the benefit of others I'll state the obvious.......acquittal does not equate to innocence. There are myriad readings ehh someone can be acquitted. OJ was acquitted......was he innocent?

Actually it does. The Irish ambassador (the real hero of the tale) played a blinder negotiating their safe passage, when strictly speaking she had no role......two groups were safely removed under the provisions agreed and there was no reason to think the Halawas would be treated any less favourably. Their passage wasn't barred - they chose to stay.

It is worth noting,that in the highly volatile situation which resulted from the MB actions,supported by the Hawalla children,their safety was far from guaranteed,a situation which was only reversed by the intervention of Egyptian Military and Police to keep a large and very angry crowd of other Egyptians from attacking them.

Whether we in the West want to admit it or not,our notions of Democracy and Governance are not universally shared or respected in the region,and just because the Hawala family support one aspect,does not automatically mean the remainder of Egyptians do.

Back home in Ireland,it is worth bearing in mind,that the more recent comments from Ibrahim Hawala's sisters were ramping up the stridency by a significant amount.

Initially they were to be found threatening legal action against the Irish State for it's perceived "inaction" on their brothers case,however that was watered down somewhat rapidly to calls for the Irish State to institute proceedings against the Egyptian State in the International Court of Justice.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-must-act-if-ibrahim-halawa-not-freed-on-september-18th-family-1.3204968

What is becoming more apparent,is the success of the irish Governments slow & deliberate policy,which has now succeeded in repatriating the Siblings,in spite of,rather than because of,the Hawala sisters various campaigns.

It will be interesting,as speculated earlier in thread,to see if the Hawala children,emboldened by their success,will choose to return to Egypt and continue their campaign as Egyptians,or to commence a new anti Egyptian Government campaign,from abroad,as Irish Citizens.

Given the likelyhood that a significant role was played by diplomacy in this case,it would be reasonable to assume that Irish-Egyptian commerce and it's continuance is a priority,something which could well be damaged by any further anti Egyptian campaigns originating as Éirínn

tayto lover

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How much has this lads little adventure cost the people who pay tax on their earnings?

He'll probably get his dole back-dated too :mad:

AnneFrank

AnneFrank wrote: »

Does anyone really care?

And yet here you are.

punisher5112

Hold on a minute this toool will get a private jet but yet someone who is seriously ill or dead the family has to pay thousands to even think of getting them back.

Guy should be on a no fly list and let him get the boat.

AlekSmart

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How much has this lads little adventure cost the people who pay tax on their earnings?

Given that there are a huge number of commercial flights available from Cairo to London,it is somewhat depressing that the Government would even consider such a move,particiularly in the light of the substantial amount of "Outside" funding enjoyed by Imam Hawala's Mosque and Islamic Centre.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3654/ireland-mega-mosque

The mosque complex at Clonskeagh, which also goes by the name "Islamic Cultural Center," has been in operation since 1996. Its sprawling four-acre campus was financed by Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the deputy ruler of Dubai.

https://eg.wego.com/en/flights/searches/cCAI-cLON/2017-09-23/economy/1a:0c:0i?sort=price&order=asc

Chartering a private aircraft,is a very obvious and unnecessary Public Relations stunt in this case and should be treated as such.

If this has been decided at cabinet,it may indicate that the likes of Minister Zappone is holding sway,rather than the cooler saner options of the Noonan era....:o

soiseztomabel

testaccount123 wrote: »

Irish he may be, but he's still a bit of a ****.

Typical Irish lad, going on hols and getting arrested. Why is everyone getting so bent out of shape

...And Justice

tupenny wrote: »

Even scarier that i get "a warning" for the above

Qchmed Mohammad snack is travvilling with him. Should be fun.

smelly sock

He could become an inspiration to young irish people. His determination not to give onto torture, his families determination to keep the case in the spotlight and the dignity which they have shown throughout this debacle has been unfloudering.

Im proud to be an irishman thinking of that.

Well done to the halawas.

Safe home ibrahim. A heroes welcome awaits.

gitzy16v

smelly sock wrote: »

He could become an inspiration to young irish people. His determination not to give onto torture, his families determination to keep the case in the spotlight and the dignity which they have shown throughout this debacle has been unfloudering.

Im proud to be an irishman thinking of that.

Well done to the halawas.

Safe home ibrahim. A heroes welcome awaits.

Hahaha...good troll is good

smelly sock

gitzy16v wrote: »

Hahaha...good troll is good

Actually search back through my posts on the subject. I have always been a supported of ibrahim. Always.

gitzy16v

smelly sock wrote: »

Actually search back through my posts on the subject. I have always been a supported of ibrahim. Always.

Ok.
Hahaha.