Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

deco nate

Annd we are off again

gitzy16v

dav3 wrote: »

I'm still perplexed over how the far-right and only the far-right, have worked themselves into such a state over this lad, based on nothing more than a few unsubstantiated claims from a blogger.
Meanwhile all the normal, sane people of Ireland just wanted him to have a fair trial, or if there was no evidence against him, which was clear there was not, then release him.

Generalising much?

smelly sock

Just as im about to deliver the facial she likes me to shout allahu akbar.

Whatever thats all about.

gitzy16v

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Pity too as there was some good posts before it derailed into I don't know what here

In fairness Kaiser there is nothing stopping anybody replying to an earlier post and the thread can develop from there.

The last few pages are light-hearted and did actually take the sting out of the silly racism accusations that were being flung around.

smelly sock

gitzy16v wrote: »

In fairness Kaiser there is nothing stopping anybody replying to an earlier post and the thread can develop from there.

The last few pages are light-hearted and did actually take the sting out of the silly racism accusations that were being flung around.

Not long now gitzy.

gitzy16v

smelly sock wrote: »

Not long now gitzy.

Im waiting:)

Zerbini Blewitt

Deleted User wrote: »

This winning of elections by ineffably backward troglodyte cúnts is indeed a downside of democracy. It must be just as galling, however, for people from these headwreckingly backward cultures to see that when their side play by western democratic values and win, that the west's commitment to democracy as a principle is non-existent and that a military overthrow of democracy in Egypt was, and remains, more preferable to leaders of the "democratic" west.

Putting the ^^ sarcasm aside:

‘The Wests’ commitment to democracy – is that a few thousand amoral hawks in specific countries military/industrial complexes who represent nobody but themselves? or some other version of 'the west'?

But in general, this is such a blatant twisting of what happened:- the Egyptian military ultimately overthrew (MB) Morsi not the street protesters. This was purely an internal Egyptian affair.

People should really be moving on from such archaic Orientalist analyses.

gitzy16v

Zerbini Blewitt wrote: »

Putting the ^^ sarcasm aside:

‘The Wests’ commitment to democracy – is that a few thousand amoral hawks in specific countries military/industrial complexes who represent nobody but themselves? or some other version of 'the west'?

But in general, this is such a blatant twisting of what happened:- the Egyptian military ultimately overthrew (MB) Morsi not the street protesters. This was purely an internal Egyptian affair.

So, how depressing - that you assume Egyptians in the military in 2013 felt they were (in some imagined way) playing up to a Western gallery - at how good they were at trying to uphold Western values?

Really?

People should really be moving on from such archaic Orientalist analyses.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
They do things differently in these countries.
As in if a religious extremist party come into power that the military have the power under a constitution to remove any party they believe to be a threat to the actual country.
Isnt this what the hullabaloo was when Erdogan crushed a military coup in Turkey.
The military had a right to act but Erdogan had enough insiders to make sure it was unsuccessful.
So basically the Egyptian military did what they believed what was in the best interest of Egypt.
Right or wrong,thats the way things have been done in these countries for years.

deco nate

Turkey for the EU!

Bordglas

Hurry up with that sandwich, my belly thinks my throat is cut.

gitzy16v

deco nate wrote: »

Turkey for the EU!

Pal of mine lives in Bradford,his neighbours moved to Turkey because Bradford wasnt Islamic enough.
They arrived back a few weeks ago saying fcuk that Istanbul is full of Arabs getting pissed and eating bacon...go figure.

deco nate

gitzy16v wrote: »

Pal of mine lives in Bradford,his neighbours moved to Turkey because Bradford wasnt Islamic enough.
They arrived back a few weeks ago saying fcuk that Istanbul is full of Arabs getting pissed and eating bacon...go figure.

That was London....

gitzy16v

deco nate wrote: »

That was London....

London too!
Ive been to visit,his neighbours are quite nice actually...#notallmuslims

end of the road

smelly sock wrote: »

You have to realise plenty of irish would have happily seen him rot because he's muslim and not white. They dont consider him irish because of this.

Forget the fact he was born in the coombe and reared in dublin.

Its called racism.

oh believe me i know, i have been following the threads in relation to this lad's situation from the beginning. i find it laughable that people are happy to take the word of an extremist zionist blogger who seems to mostly spread fake news.

deco nate wrote: »

Islam is not a race...

doesn't matter, religion can be used as a way to attack people on the basis of their race.

Omackeral wrote: »

Hundreds of Irish men, women, children and babies are stuck abroad and clearly distressed in foreign lands too and through no fault of their own due to this Ryanair debacle, I wonder might they might send planes over to them.

a different situation so irrelevant. if the government feel it necessary to send over aircraft for those people then it will be done.

gitzy16v

end of the road wrote: »

i find it laughable that people are happy to take the word of an extremist islamist family who seems to mostly spread fake news.

FYP

First Up

Jawgap wrote:

Actually it does. The Irish ambassador (the real hero of the tale) played a blinder negotiating their safe passage, when strictly speaking she had no role......two groups were safely removed under the provisions agreed and there was no reason to think the Halawas would be treated any less favourably. Their passage wasn't barred - they chose to stay.

Of course she had a role. They were Irish citizens on her patch. "Safe passage" applied to them being able to leave the mosque without being killed. It was not "safe passage" out of the country.

AlekSmart

dav3 wrote: »

I'm still perplexed over how the far-right and only the far-right, have worked themselves into such a state over this lad, based on nothing more than a few unsubstantiated claims from a blogger.
Meanwhile all the normal, sane people of Ireland just wanted him to have a fair trial, or if there was no evidence against him, which was clear there was not, then release him.

Apart from those of both sides too'ing and fro'ing on some Irish Discussion boards,there is very little for us to be "perplexed" about.

Whilst the Mark Humphreys blog can be derided and pooh-pooh'd,it contains the only actual footage and aural recordings of what the Hawala's were actually engaging in whilst on "Holidays" in Egypt.

Personally,I can filter out the remainder of Humphreys fascinations,and focus upon the,all too real, issues raised (from the beginning) by Humphreys posts.

The Hawalla sisters rather luckily caught the eyes and ears of a sector of the Irish Media,and were thus able to keep their campaign visible,but to suggest that the normal,sane People of Ireland were,as a group,concerned about his situation is,I feel,somewhat wide of the mark.

The numerous (initially gender segrated) protests outside the Egyptian embassy were sparsely attended,as indeed were the City Centre attempts in Dublin.

Those facts,are probably reflective of the level of interest & concern largely existing amongst the "Plain People of Ireland" for Ibrahim Hawala's situation?

AlekSmart

First Up wrote: »

Of course she had a role. They were Irish citizens on her patch. "Safe passage" applied to them being able to leave the mosque without being killed. It was not "safe passage" out of the country.

Not quite correct.

The family were facilitated to leave Egypt following their release,with the co-operation of the Egyptian Authorities regarding documentaion and exit formalities.

Ms Moylan did not have to smuggle them out in a diplomatic bag or an Irish Government Jet.

First Up

AlekSmart wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

Of course she had a role. They were Irish citizens on her patch. "Safe passage" applied to them being able to leave the mosque without being killed. It was not "safe passage" out of the country.

Not quite correct.

The family were facilitated to leave Egypt following their release,with the co-operation of the Egyptian Authorities regarding documentaion and exit formalities.

Ms Moylan did not have to smuggle them out in a diplomatic bag or an Irish Government Jet.

The family spent three weeks in jail after they left the mosque.

WinnyThePoo

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Nah, it's another example of something which was actually funny/interesting being dragged out way past its sell by date.. Bit like the Simpsons really.

Nope it's hilarious. Almost like your man was reading this thread.

weldoninhio

smelly sock wrote: »

Dont think he ever said that.

Im sure he has said he is irish egyptian though. Which would be accurate.

"I live in Ireland, but Egypt is my home"

optogirl

punisher5112 wrote: »

Here we go racist card again....

How is it when other races have a pop at I'm Irish, white, etc I can't say they are racist...

Will ya ever go and do one.

Have you seem the amount of posts hilariously talking about him being given pork etc on his return? No, no racism there. If Ibrahim took the pi*s out of the RCCs haunted bread would any of ye have anything to say? I reckon so.

Omackeral

optogirl wrote: »

Have you seem the amount of posts hilariously talking about him being given pork etc on his return? No, no racism there. If Ibrahim took the pi*s out of the RCCs haunted bread would any of ye have anything to say? I reckon so.

You're right. There's no racism there because Islam isn't a race.

For the record, people saying give him pork are morons and nothing but disrespectful idiots.

Jawgap

smelly sock wrote: »

You have to realise plenty of irish would have happily seen him rot because he's muslim and not white. They dont consider him irish because of this.

Forget the fact he was born in the coombe and reared in dublin.

Its called racism.

The fact being forgotten is that he travelled out on his Egyptian passport......

The_Kew_Tour

I don't care if he thinks he is from Egypt or wherever that's his decision and I respect that. My gripe really today is with the Irish Government and it really smacks in the face of the lower income person or anybody who finds it hard to gain access to medical care in this country. We are so quick to send a plane out for him, but what about the poor Children who have to go abroad but cannot afford it. The lad can get to Dublin via London, will it really kill him?

Yes for once will someone actually think of the Children.

punisher5112

optogirl wrote: »

Have you seem the amount of posts hilariously talking about him being given pork etc on his return? No, no racism there. If Ibrahim took the pi*s out of the RCCs haunted bread would any of ye have anything to say? I reckon so.

Ah will ya stop.

I never said those comments were right but they are in no way racist.

I find the race card hilarious these days as I've had it thrown at me from actual Irish people too.

How can one be racist against their own for starters.

Go back to bed.

Jawgap

First Up wrote: »

Of course she had a role. They were Irish citizens on her patch. "Safe passage" applied to them being able to leave the mosque without being killed. It was not "safe passage" out of the country.

Actually she didn't. They travelled on their Egyptian passports and so were present in the country as Egyptian citizens.

DFA warn dual citizens ( they certainly did with me) that if you enter a country on another passport you are not entitled to consular assistance and if you enter the country who issued your second passport, on that passport, then they are prohibited from extending consular assistance because you're there as a citizen if that country......so fair play to the ambassador for her work in getting around that mess.

VinLieger

dav3 wrote: »

I'm still perplexed over how the far-right and only the far-right, have worked themselves into such a state over this lad, based on nothing more than a few unsubstantiated claims from a blogger.
Meanwhile all the normal, sane people of Ireland just wanted him to have a fair trial, or if there was no evidence against him, which was clear there was not, then release him.

Thats one hell of a broad brush your painting with there.

Typical black and white 100% with us or 100% against us attitude to expect from people on the extreme left or right these days i suppose.

FYI im a centrist with a very slight lean to the right but continue trying to put massive fcuk off labels on everyone who disagrees with you if it helps justify your moral outrage.

Jawgap

First Up wrote: »

The family spent three weeks in jail after they left the mosque.

....because they turned down the deal!!

The procedure was they were to be escorted from the mosque......checked for weapons and have their ID and documents checked then be free to go. Two other groups had processed out this way without incident, but they chose to stay......but at least they took heed of the advice to stop making videos and speeches.

Gringo180

AlekSmart wrote: »

Apart from those of both sides too'ing and fro'ing on some Irish Discussion boards,there is very little for us to be "perplexed" about.

Whilst the Mark Humphreys blog can be derided and pooh-pooh'd,it contains the only actual footage and aural recordings of what the Hawala's were actually engaging in whilst on "Holidays" in Egypt.

Personally,I can filter out the remainder of Humphreys fascinations,and focus upon the,all too real, issues raised (from the beginning) by Humphreys posts.

The Hawalla sisters rather luckily caught the eyes and ears of a sector of the Irish Media,and were thus able to keep their campaign visible,but to suggest that the normal,sane People of Ireland were,as a group,concerned about his situation is,I feel,somewhat wide of the mark.

The numerous (initially gender segrated) protests outside the Egyptian embassy were sparsely attended,as indeed were the City Centre attempts in Dublin.

Those facts,are probably reflective of the level of interest & concern largely existing amongst the "Plain People of Ireland" for Ibrahim Hawala's situation?

Is there a link to this blog or could somebody actually tell me what he was doing in Egypt at the time of his detainment. I find it disgusting that the Irish taxpayer is going to foot the bill to fly him home.