Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

Billy86

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

There's no such thing as "far-right" in this country.. this isn't America or Twitter.

There is such a thing as right, far right, left, far left and centrist in almost all political discourse. Right/left politics is not an American construct. In fact, here are just a small handful of examples of you using the terms yourself on many, many occasions in the past.

"This notion that people were lied to or too stupid to realise the "truth" etc that's spouted by the liberal Left..."

"...not just by violent attacks but more (initially) subtle means as the Left make excuses..."

"...result: Brexit and far left/right parties on the rise."

"FF both having a go at the left (justifiably) and positioning themselves for the next election simultaneously"

"... how this has spilled over into individual member states with the rise of far-left and right parties in general elections."

"...without a shot ever having been fired (or maybe with lots of them if Far Right parties get elected by frustrated/ignored/marginalised citizens!)"

Fr_Dougal

Ibrahim Halawa wrote: »

Loved Ireland so much he went ripped up his passport and went to Egypt to support the Mussie Brotherhood.

Quintessential Irishman.

Ah Jaysus, it's yourself.

Would you like:

1. A cup of tea
2. Some detonators

No pressure...

Spanish Eyes

When will his first interview happen now..... on (stifled muzzled media ha ha)

RTE Radio 1. for example...

Now Ibrahamin, how did you go to jail. Oh that's awful. Did you get food, oh that's good.
Isn't the Irish Government great, yes, oh that's great.

Censored....

What are your family's connections with the Muslim Br. and the Clonskeagh Mosque? I hear your sisters want their arranged marriage husbands from Turkey to get visas to be here as their spouses, how is that going? Not asked.

I hear your Dad cannot speak English, did he help get your brother/his son out of Egypt. No comment.

Did your mother say anything at all? No comment.

Great news.

_Kaiser_

Billy86 wrote: »

There is such a thing as right, far right, left, far left and centrist in almost all political discourse. Right/left politics is not an American construct. In fact, here are just a small handful of examples of you using the terms yourself on many, many occasions in the past.

"This notion that people were lied to or too stupid to realise the "truth" etc that's spouted by the liberal Left..."

"...not just by violent attacks but more (initially) subtle means as the Left make excuses..."

"...result: Brexit and far left/right parties on the rise."

"FF both having a go at the left (justifiably) and positioning themselves for the next election simultaneously"

"... how this has spilled over into individual member states with the rise of far-left and right parties in general elections."

"...without a shot ever having been fired (or maybe with lots of them if Far Right parties get elected by frustrated/ignored/marginalised citizens!)"

Ah yes.. trawl through someones posting history to try and discredit the point being made. It's nothing if not predictable anyway but I'm sure you're WELL aware that in THIS thread, I'm talking about "far-right" Nazi-style politics not existing here (and can't we agree that is a great thing), and certainly not on this thread.

I'll happily stand by each of those posts by the way.

Spanish Eyes

Muahahaha wrote: »

I was in Clonskeagh Mosque just two weeks ago. Had a falafel sandwich in the cafe,all people are welcome, Muslim or otherwise. Its open till 9pm every night. I highly recommend it, you should try it sometime.

Would I be allowed in as a Western Woman without covering up? If so, I'll give it a go sometime soon.

Army_of_One

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, it's yourself.

Would you like:

1. A cup of tea
2. Some detonators

No pressure cookers...

fyp

Wailin

RayM wrote: »

I'd say a lot of racists are very unhappy right now...



Yes, home. To the country where he was born.

Another snowflake who doesn't understand the definition of racist.

prinzeugen

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Is that actually true? I recall that being debunked a few times but keeps being repeated

http://markhumphrys.com/Images/838.jpg

If he did not rip up his passport then why was he issued with an emergency one?

7 month passport issued in Cairo AFTER he was arrested.

Why? Where is his original 10 year passport?

Aph2016

mariaalice wrote: »

Cant people just be happy for him he is Irish and its a great outcome so disappointed with some of the comments here.

Get a grip and do some reading up on the case. There was a good link posted above http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html maybe start there.

Spanish Eyes

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

She has a very valid point... you only need to read some of the threads on the first 2 pages here to see that.

There is an element (and not just on this site) that actively try to silence and discredit anyone or anything that is not consistent with their view on any given issue. Never mind dissenting views, even asking questions is apparently not permitted.

That is a very dangerous development in a country that likes to see itself as modern, enlightened and democratic.

Debate should never be stifled. By all means disagree, and counter-argue your point to support your position, but accept too that not everyone will or has to agree with you at the end of the day, and that's ok too in a free society.

But shouting someone down, ganging-up on them, or trying to paint them as racist/xenophobic/sexist/whatever!! to shut them up is just beyond the pale IMO and shouldn't be accepted or (tacitly) encouraged as is too often the case lately.

One cannot speak but of the mantra anymore.

Anything else results in insults which is really not in the spirit of AH, and it is lazy too. No debate.

And it comes from a Moderator too. Tut Tut.

We are being silenced. And ridiculed for having another voice. Or horror of horrors for being a woman. Ye Gods!

These people have the problem, not me, thankfully

Ash.J.Williams

prinzeugen wrote: »

http://markhumphrys.com/Images/838.jpg

If he did not rip up his passport then why was he issued with an emergency one?

7 month passport issued in Cairo AFTER he was arrested.

Why? Where is his original 10 year passport?

I'll be getting my 2nd emergency passport this year next week

Army_of_One

Aph2016 wrote: »

Get a grip and do some reading up on the case. There was a good link posted above http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html maybe start there.

lol
He's a hasbara shill.....

Hande hoche!

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I'll be getting my 2nd emergency passport this year next week

Hope you're not selling them to the Israelis.

Ash.J.Williams

Aph2016 wrote: »

Get a grip and do some reading up on the case. There was a good link posted above http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html maybe start there.

I just hope somebody sent that totally reliable url to the Gardaí seeing that they're looking out for terrorists

The Backwards Man

I don't care about Halawa, you buys your ticket you takes your chance. I'm just posting to lend my weight to the shutting down of 'free speech'.

Billy86

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah yes.. trawl through someones posting history to try and discredit the point being made. It's nothing if not predictable anyway but I'm sure you're WELL aware that in THIS thread, I'm talking about "far-right" Nazi-style politics not existing here (and can't we agree that is a great thing), and certainly not on this thread.

I'll happily stand by each of those posts by the way.

I'm not arguing for or against those points - I'm saying you're happy to throw those terms around when it suits and pretend they don't exist when it doesn't.

Far right extends further than outright Nazis, and while marginalised (which yes, is a good thing), just look at Pegida Ireland and Identity Ireland for examples, and plenty of far right sentiments are expressed on AH quite often. For a closer example of 'Nazi far right' you've got the alt right, which indeed had sympathisers even here on boards when threads about it popped up.

dav3

It's amazing how much this fella winds up the far-right loons.

Ken.

Mod-Spanish eyes do not post in this thread again.

I'd also like to add that mods/cmods/admins of other forums are just regular posters in any forum but their own.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would I be allowed in as a Western Woman without covering up? If so, I'll give it a go sometime soon.

Do you visit many buildings which are places of worship? Or old temples etc?
You will be required to cover up entering most of them.
I don't see the issue?

Ash.J.Williams

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Hope you're not selling them to the Israelis.

Busted

_Kaiser_

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm not arguing for or against those points - I'm saying you're happy to throw those terms around when it suits and pretend they don't exist when it doesn't.

Not what I said.. of course these terms exist - but attempting to infer that posters in this thread are "far right" because they are asking questions about the background of this case, or his motivations is just hysteria intended to inflame the discussion (and presumably lead to Mod actions)

Far right extends further than outright Nazis, and while marginalised (which yes, is a good thing), just look at Pegida Ireland and Identity Ireland for examples, and plenty of far right sentiments are expressed on AH quite often. For a closer example of 'Nazi far right' you've got the alt right, which indeed had sympathisers even here on boards when threads about it popped up.

Again I disagree. I'd argue that many here are using such terms in response to the "left" who are as I said above, throwing them out at anything/one they disagree with.

We don't have a far-left/right in this country thankfully. Even our "right" political parties are more centre-left, and our "left" are mostly one-issue opportunists or cast-offs from the Big 2.

Snake Plisken

Army_of_One wrote: »

lol
He's a hasbara shill.....

And you're a Hamas shill! If anything he ever posted was incorrect Halawas family would have sued him!

Ulysses Gaze

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm not arguing for or against those points - I'm saying you're happy to throw those terms around when it suits and pretend they don't exist when it doesn't.

Far right extends further than outright Nazis, and while marginalised (which yes, is a good thing), just look at Pegida Ireland and Identity Ireland for examples, and plenty of far right sentiments are expressed on AH quite often. For a closer example of 'Nazi far right' you've got the alt right, which indeed had sympathisers even here on boards when threads about it popped up.

Yes but there is a tendency for some, not all by any stretch, but some on the Far-Left to label anyone a Nazi that does not agree with them on all issues.

There were some absolutely demented, ****ing lunatics on The Guardian website who labelled Ed Miliband as Far Right(!) and that the BBC was a Far Right(!) platform.

But Ed Miliband. Far Right.

'Red' Ed Miliband. The son of a prominent Jewish Socialist Intellectual!!!

Army_of_One

Snake Plisken wrote: »

If anything he ever posted was incorrect Halawas family would have sued him!

bollox.

It costs $$ to bring a civil case.

He posts zionist propaganda. But you know that :rolleyes::rolleyes:

emo72

I've only one question.

"As an Irish lad, can you explain what you were doing on stage, at a Muslim Brotherhood rally addressing thousands of supporters, at the Day of Rage?"

In your own time Ibrahim.

riffmongous

emo72 wrote: »

I've only one question.

"As an Irish lad, can you explain what you were doing on stage, at a Muslim Brotherhood rally addressing thousands of supporters, at the Day of Rage?"

In your own time Ibrahim.

Free speech? I thought everyone loved that here

Billy86

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Not what I said.. of course these terms exist - but attempting to infer that posters in this thread are "far right" because they are asking questions about the background of this case, or his motivations is just hysteria intended to inflame the discussion (and presumably lead to Mod actions)

To claim Ireland is not his home country when he was born and raised here would fall under far right.

Again I disagree. I'd argue that many here are using such terms in response to the "left" who are as I said above, throwing them out at anything/one they disagree with.

We don't have a far-left/right in this country thankfully. Even our "right" political parties are more centre-left, and our "left" are mostly one-issue opportunists or cast-offs from the Big 2.

First, it's all somewhat subjective - I consider our two main parties as centre-right in large parts (and I've got nothing against centre right even if I disagree with a good bit of their policies); would agree those labelling themselves are further to the left here are a shambles too (and ironically are probably our most anti-tax contingent).

There is definitely a far right element on boards though, sure in the alt right threads we even had people linking to the likes of The Daily Stormer (an openly neo Nazi website) as legitimate sources, and situations for example in the Trump/election threads where the masks slowly slipped and the inherent/genetic 'superiority of the white man' became open topics of conversation some were arguing for. That's pretty definitively far right.

Tom Mann Centuria

bubblypop wrote: »

Do you visit many buildings which are places of worship? Or old temples etc?
You will be required to cover up entering most of them.
I don't see the issue?

It was a restaurant associated with the mosque that was being discussed. Incidentally, I don't think the restaurant is in actual mosque and you don't have to cover up. Open to correction though.

GerryDerpy

Muahahaha wrote: »

I was in Clonskeagh Mosque just two weeks ago. Had a falafel sandwich in the cafe,all people are welcome, Muslim or otherwise. Its open till 9pm every night. I highly recommend it, you should try it sometime.

This is hilarious. Their PR is working well. They think you're an infidel. Don't be so naive.

RobertKK

The video is suppose to show him in the Fath Mosque.