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Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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    #1592
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,143 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    First Up wrote: »
    Hmmm ya just unlucky

    Depends how you define "caught up in it". He willingly took part in protests against the military coup and (especially) the murder of hundreds of protestors. He hasn't denied that.

    Maybe you think such protests were not justified or none of this was any of his business. That's a matter of opinion but the facts are that he was imprisoned for four years without justification.[/QUOTE]

    One of main issues for me has been the inconsistency and reports of what was happening.

    That's all, and the last 48 hours have raised more questions then before.


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    #1593
    davycc
    Registered Users Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭davycc


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Hope fully he will enjoy the free flight home and the medical card.

    Sponger.

    Slow news day on stormfront ?


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    #1594
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    arayess wrote: »
    yet you and the pro-Halawi brigade never utter a peep about irish people held on remand for 2 to 4 years in spain before trial, for example.

    can you provide evidence for that claim?
    arayess wrote: »
    I guess they are the wrong shade of inner city dublin to mount a populist campaign.

    remind me, what are you doing about these people?
    ebbsy wrote: »
    Hope fully he will enjoy the free flight home and the medical card.

    Sponger.

    proof that he is a "Sponger" please.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1595
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    One of main issues for me has been the inconsistency and reports of what was happening.

    That's all, and the last 48 hours have raised more questions then before.

    Who are you blaming?


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    #1596
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    He should team with Michaela McCollum for BB

    Really, the convicted scumbag drug smuggler? Yeah, they have so much in common.


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    #1597
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    wexandproud wrote: »
    wasn't really going to get involved in this thread , but you really have difficulty understanding plain english
    if i commit a crime and I am arrested and charged i am still ''PRESUMED INNOCENT'' , until i go to court . In court i will be found guilty or not guilty , or if not enough solid evidence is found to get a conviction the charges may be dropped it still doesn't mean i am innocent
    If i am found guilty, ok i did the crime , if the prosecutors cannot prove beyond doubt that i did the crime i will be found not guilty , however i will still have committed the crime but will have gotten away with it . I WILL HOWEVER NOT BE INNOCENT.
    Except he didn't commit a crime.. and wasn't brought to trial.. because he didn't commit any crime.


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    #1598
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,143 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    First Up wrote: »
    Who are you blaming?

    People who lied. Obviously


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    #1599
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    wexandproud wrote: »
    . I WILL HOWEVER NOT BE INNOCENT.

    Legally YES YOU WILL.


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    #1600
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Legally YES YOU WILL.

    No no, let's let Wexforandproud have their way.

    Oh, by the way wexfordandproud is a thief and a con artist. There we go, they can now never claim to be innocent of either of those offenses ever again!


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    #1601
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    People who lied. Obviously

    Care to nominate anyone in particular?


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    #1602
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    end of the road wrote: »
    can you provide evidence for that claim?

    I see no campaign for any irish locked up without trial in spain media , media whores, leftie liberals , professional commentator on the journal.ie .... none of them on the march for any prisoner bar our dear friend Halawi ....why is that?

    The same people in the media or making comments in support of this guy hasn't lifted a finger to type support in favour of any other irish locked up on remand abroad...why is that??
    end of the road wrote: »
    remind me, what are you doing about these people?

    I'm doing absolutely sweet fcuk all...bar using their woe to score points on the internet in a debate.
    But you've gloriously missed my point.


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    #1603
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I honestly don’t understand what people have against Ibrahim Halawa - he’s not a terrorist or criminal or anything close to it. He’s just a young man who got caught up a protest against an undeniably cruel leader and was thrown in jail for exercising his right to protest.

    His skin color, ethnicity and religion are irrelevant the - he was wrongly convicted, simple as that.

    I honestly believe a lot of the malice being directed at him is down to good old islamophobia.


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    #1604
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,143 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    First Up wrote: »
    Care to nominate anyone in particular?

    His family and O Gorman for starters.


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    #1605
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    His family and O Gorman for starters.

    Examples?


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    #1606
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    arayess wrote: »
    I see no campaign for any irish locked up without trial in spain media , media whores, leftie liberals , professional commentator on the journal.ie .... none of them on the march except for any prisoner bar our dear friend Halawi ....why is that?

    The same people in the media or making comments in support of this guy hasn't lifted a finger to type support in favour of any other irish locked up on remand abroad...why is that??

    can you provide evidence/proof for that claim?
    arayess wrote: »
    I'm doing absolutely sweet fcuk all...

    correct.
    arayess wrote: »
    bar using their woe to score points on the internet in a debate.
    But you've gloriously missed my point.

    i haven't missed it at all. you were just looking for an excuse to rant about
    "ja liberals" and "ja lefties" rabel rabel.
    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    His family and O Gorman for starters.

    they never lied.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1607
    First Up
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    arayess wrote:
    The same people in the media or making comments in support of this guy hasn't lifted a finger to type support in favour of any other irish locked up on remand abroad...why is that??

    Why not start a thread to highlight any specific cases? If there are Irish people in jail for four years awaiting trial in Spain or anywhere else we should all know about it


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    #1608
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Legally YES YOU WILL.
    legally , i will be not guilty , as it not proven beyond doubt . that's the point people are missing
    the other post from billy 86 doesn't even justify a reply


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    #1609
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Except he didn't commit a crime.. and wasn't brought to trial.. because he didn't commit any crime.
    wasn't talking about him in particular , it was just about the difference in being not guilty , guilty or innocent in court
    however , regarding the young man in question , maybe he done something wrong maybe he didn't but id say we will be hearing about him or his family in the future


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    #1610
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    wexandproud wrote: »
    wasn't talking about him in particular , it was just about the difference in being not guilty , guilty or innocent in court
    however , regarding the young man in question , maybe he done something wrong maybe he didn't but id say we will be hearing about him or his family in the future


    ibriham did nothing wrong.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1611
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    end of the road wrote: »
    ibriham did nothing wrong.
    so you keep saying . thats your and a lot of others opinion .


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    #1612
    Omackeral
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I honestly don’t understand what people have against Ibrahim Halawa - he’s not a terrorist or criminal or anything close to it. He’s just a young man who got caught up a protest against an undeniably cruel leader and was thrown in jail for exercising his right to protest.

    Don't know much about the chap myself, certainly don't have anything against him. 4 years without a trial is horrendous and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, no matter what position they've found themselves in. It's a really bad ordeal. The caught-up-in-a-protest-while-on-a-post-leaving-cert-holiday angle doesn't sit well with me though. It just doesn't.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    His skin color, ethnicity and religion are irrelevant

    Yet people on this thread are very quick to throw the race card around. All the brown talk was pathetic.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I honestly believe a lot of the malice being directed at him is down to good old islamophobia.

    Yep I'd agree with you there somewhat.


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    #1613
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    wexandproud wrote: »
    so you keep saying . thats your and a lot of others opinion .


    it's not opinion though but proven fact.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1614
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Don't know much about the chap myself, certainly don't have anything against him. 4 years without a trial is horrendous and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, no matter what position they've found themselves in. It's a really bad ordeal. The caught-up-in-a-protest-while-on-a-post-leaving-cert-holiday angle doesn't sit well with me though. It just doesn't

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on that I think. But surely we can agree whether he was there by choice or by accident it does not excuse the way he has been treated.


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    #1615
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Billy86 wrote: »
    No no, let's let Wexforandproud have their way.

    Oh, by the way wexfordandproud is a thief and a con artist. There we go, they can now never claim to be innocent of either of those offenses ever again!

    Idiotic post of 2017.


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    #1616
    JPCN1
    Registered Users Posts: 892 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    I honestly don’t understand what people have against Ibrahim Halawa - he’s not a terrorist or criminal or anything close to it. He’s just a young man who got caught up a protest against an undeniably cruel leader and was thrown in jail for exercising his right to protest.

    His skin color, ethnicity and religion are irrelevant the - he was wrongly convicted, simple as that.

    I honestly believe a lot of the malice being directed at him is down to good old islamophobia.

    You might want to read up on the Muslim Brotherhood. An Islamic supremacist organisation that is utterly worthy of our scorn.

    But don't worry, send a cheque with this months jizya to Clonskeagh for protection.


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    #1617
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,143 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    First Up wrote: »
    Examples?

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-determined-to-see-release-of-ibrahim-halawa-1.3189398%3fmode=amp


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    #1618
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,143 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    end of the road wrote: »

    they never lied.

    Maybe for you


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    #1619
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    JPCN1 wrote: »
    You might want to read up on the Muslim Brotherhood. An Islamic supremacist organisation that is utterly worthy of our scorn.

    But don't worry, send a cheque with this months jizya to Clonskeagh for protection.

    But there’s no evidence that Halawa had anything to do with them.


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    #1620
    JPCN1
    Registered Users Posts: 892 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    And Jarry was never in the IRA the world is actually flat.

    Do you really believe he or his family have no MB connections?


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    #1621
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    JPCN1 wrote: »
    You might want to read up on the Muslim Brotherhood.

    A democratically elected government.


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