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Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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    #1622
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    RustyNut wrote: »
    A democratically elected government.

    Removed by the military as is allowed in the Egyptian constitution,if that same constitution is under threat.
    A lot of ME countries have this system,specifically designed to stop religion becoming more powerful than the nation.
    Now what's so good about the Muslim Brotherhood?


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    #1623
    branie2
    Registered Users Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    It's a great relief for his family


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    #1624
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Removed by the military as is allowed in the Egyptian constitution,if that same constitution is under threat.
    A lot of ME countries have this system,specifically designed to stop religion becoming more powerful than the nation.
    Now what's so good about the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Where did I say there was anything good about them?


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    #1625
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Where did I say there was anything good about them?

    I'm asking is there anything good about them?


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    #1626
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    I'm asking is there anything good about them?

    I don't know, but they must have something going for them to get elected democratically as the legitimate government of Egypt.


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    #1627
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    RustyNut wrote: »
    I don't know, but they must have something going for them to get elected democratically as the legitimate government of Egypt.

    I don't know,but they must have something wrong with them to get removed by the legitimate defenders of the constitution,the military.

    Works both ways...
    Have a read about the MB you'll find they're not the nice democratic party you think.


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    #1628
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    I don't know,but they must have something wrong with them to get removed by the legitimate defenders of the constitution,the military.

    Works both ways...
    Have a read about the MB you'll find they're not the nice democratic party you think.

    I just happen to think that democratically elected governments are better than military dictatorships, or dictatorships of any fashion for that matter.

    What article of the Egyptian constitution allows for the military to overrule the will of the people. When was it put into the constitution?

    Do you not support democracy or do you think that it is only for some?


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    #1629
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    RustyNut wrote: »

    Do you not support democracy or do you think that it is only for some?

    Stupid question.

    Egypt and the ME are vastly different to ourselves.
    You'd do well to recognise that and don't blindly think that what works here automatically works there.
    The military saved Egypt from becoming another Islamist sh1tehole.


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    #1630
    JPCN1
    Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    And the Copts from genocide. But hey, they're democratically elected so all's cool.


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    #1631
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Except he didn't commit a crime.. and wasn't brought to trial.. because he didn't commit any crime.

    Do you have a link to that, or any proof?


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    #1632
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    atticu wrote: »
    Do you have a link to that, or any proof?

    Here you go.


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    #1633
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    end of the road wrote: »
    it's not opinion though but proven fact.

    OK

    Prove it.


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    #1634
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Here you go.

    Sorry.
    No proof there that he did not commit a crime.
    That article says he was acquitted.

    I know that he was acquitted.

    So, I have to assume that you have no proof.

    Thank you.


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    #1635
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    atticu wrote: »
    Sorry.
    No proof there that he did not commit a crime.
    That article says he was acquitted.

    I know that he was acquitted.

    So, I have to assume that you have no proof.

    Thank you.


    What proof would be acceptable to you?


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    #1636
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JPCN1 wrote: »
    And Jarry was never in the IRA

    our boy jerry is innocent of such allegations. until it is proven in a court of law that he was in the ira, then he wasn't in the IRA.
    JPCN1 wrote: »
    Do you really believe he or his family have no MB connections?

    definitely. whatever about the father, and then any evidence is not conclusive, the rest of the family have no link with the mb, there is no evidence to prove it.
    gitzy16v wrote: »
    I don't know,but they must have something wrong with them to get removed by the legitimate defenders of the constitution,the military.

    Works both ways...
    Have a read about the MB you'll find they're not the nice democratic party you think.

    it doesn't work both ways, as the only reason the military removed them was they wanted a power grab. the mb were going to restrict the powers of the military and the military wanted to return egypt to some form of military rule. the military aren't interested in the constitution or upholding it.
    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Stupid question.

    Egypt and the ME are vastly different to ourselves.
    You'd do well to recognise that and don't blindly think that what works here automatically works there.
    The military saved Egypt from becoming another Islamist sh1tehole.

    they didn't save egypt from anything. the military government is as brutal as the mb, and what came befor it. if not more so.
    JPCN1 wrote: »
    And the Copts from genocide. But hey, they're democratically elected so all's cool.

    Nope, the copts still face slaughter on a daily basis by egypt's military government.
    atticu wrote: »
    Sorry.
    No proof there that he did not commit a crime.
    That article says he was acquitted.

    I know that he was acquitted.

    So, I have to assume that you have no proof.

    Thank you.

    wrong, yes proof there that he didn't commit a crime. if he commited a crime he wouldn't be acquitted.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #1637
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    atticu wrote:
    Do you have a link to that, or any proof?


    Absence of evidence versus evidence of absence.

    Nice to know the legacy of Donald Rumsfeld is still alive in some quarters.


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    #1638
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    RustyNut wrote: »
    A democratically elected government.

    You need to read this ...


    https://www.counterextremism.com/content/muslim-brotherhood%E2%80%99s-ties-isis-and-al-qaeda


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    #1639
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    RustyNut wrote: »
    What proof would be acceptable to you?

    Conclusive proof.

    Do you own a car?


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    #1640
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    First Up wrote: »
    Absence of evidence versus evidence of absence.

    Nice to know the legacy of Donald Rumsfeld is still alive in some quarters.

    So, then I have to assume that you have no proof or evidence.


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    #1641
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    atticu wrote:
    So, then I have to assume that you have no proof or evidence.

    Of what?


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    #1642
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    atticu wrote: »
    Conclusive proof.

    Do you own a car?

    There are a lot of things in this life for which conclusive proof is not possible, intelligent people assess all the available evidence and come to a conclusion based on this.

    What is the relevance of weather the poster owns a car or not? I'm curious


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    #1643
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    There are a lot of things in this life for which conclusive proof is not possible, intelligent people assess all the available evidence and come to a conclusion based on this.

    What is the relevance of weather the poster owns a car or not? I'm curious

    On your first point - thank you for admitting that there is no proof, now please stop claiming things that you have no proof for.

    On the second point, let the poster answer the question, and we will see what happens.


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    #1644
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    atticu wrote: »
    On your first point - thank you for admitting that there is no proof, now please stop claiming things that you have no proof for.

    On the second point, let the poster answer the question, and we will see what happens.

    What did I claim?


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    #1645
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Except he didn't commit a crime.. and wasn't brought to trial.. because he didn't commit any crime.
    First Up wrote: »
    Of what?

    There you go.


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    #1646
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    What did I claim?
    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    There are a lot of things in this life for which conclusive proof is not possible, intelligent people assess all the available evidence and come to a conclusion based on this.

    What is the relevance of weather the poster owns a car or not? I'm curious

    That there was no conclusive proof needed to make a claim.
    You said that people assess the information available and come to a conclusion.


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    #1647
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    end of the road wrote: »


    it doesn't work both ways, as the only reason the military removed them was they wanted a power grab.the mb were going to restrict the powers of the military and the military wanted to return egypt to some form of military rule. the military aren't interested in the constitution or upholding it.



    they didn't save egypt from anything. the military government is as brutal as the mb, and what came befor it. if not more so.
    nope wrong,
    the military removed them because they rightly didnt want Egypt turning into an Islamist state.


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    #1648
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,086 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    end of the road wrote: »
    our boy jerry is innocent of such allegations. until it is proven in a court of law that he was in the ira, then he wasn't in the IRA.

    Ah you're a shinner...

    Explains a lot


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    #1649
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    atticu wrote: »
    That there was no conclusive proof needed to make a claim.

    Would you be good enough to quote where I said this?


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    #1650
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    atticu wrote:
    There you go.


    We may be at cross purposes here. I'm asking for someone to produce evidence that young Halawa did anything other than participate in what looks to have been a well-justified protest against military excess, including mass murder.


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    #1651
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    atticu wrote: »
    That there was no conclusive proof needed to make a claim.

    Yes I own a car although what that has to do with the price of cheese I don't know.

    Conclusive proof is not necessary to make a claim. Eg. Gerry Adams claims he was never in the IRA with no conclusive evidence. Others claim he was in the IRA equally without conclusive evidence. What point are you trying to make?


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