Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

The_Kew_Tour · 22-10-2017 2:54pm

end of the road wrote: »

assuming your allegation is correct, for which again there seems to be no evidence, then it's far from wacky and we don't live in any more of a wacky world now then we did a few years ago. the sisters are entitled to take a case and the case will be decided on it's merrits.

What case have they got?

end of the road · 22-10-2017 3:00pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What case have they got?

get in contact with them and ask.

gitzy16v · 22-10-2017 3:02pm

end of the road wrote: »

get in contact with them and ask.

You pretend to know everything about them.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-10-2017 3:03pm

end of the road wrote: »

get in contact with them and ask.

So you're just bull ****ting.

Thats ok not first time

wexandproud · 22-10-2017 3:10pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not opinion though but proven fact.

proven ? where was it proven?

First Up · 22-10-2017 3:18pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote:

There seems to be no evidence? Did you look?

What's that evidence of?

end of the road · 22-10-2017 3:22pm

gitzy16v wrote: »

You pretend to know everything about them.

that's news to me. i certainly never claimed to know anything, never mind everything, about them. what i have posted is simply the established facts in relation to this case.

gitzy16v · 22-10-2017 3:26pm

end of the road wrote: »

that's news to me. i certainly never claimed to know anything, never mind everything, about them. what i have posted is simply the established facts in relation to this case.

Most of what you posted is opinion.
A few facts but mostly opinion.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-10-2017 3:27pm

gitzy16v wrote: »

Most of what you posted is opinion.
A few facts but mostly opinion.

And made up stuff

end of the road · 22-10-2017 3:34pm

gitzy16v wrote: »

Most of what you posted is opinion.
A few facts but mostly opinion.

nope all of what i posted are facts.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

And made up stuff

other posters made up stuff. not me.

Will I Am Not · 22-10-2017 3:41pm

First Up wrote: »

What's that evidence of?

That the sisters are suing over the delay.
What kind of evidence are you looking for?

gitzy16v · 22-10-2017 3:43pm

end of the road wrote: »

nope all of what i posted are facts.

other posters made up stuff. not me.

Delusion confirmed.
Opinions are not facts.

First Up · 22-10-2017 3:46pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote:

That the sisters are suing over the delay. What kind of evidence are you looking for?

Nobody disputed that. The evidence question was about the claims he burned his passport.

Will I Am Not · 22-10-2017 3:49pm

First Up wrote: »

Nobody disputed that. The evidence question was about the claims he burned his passport.

I never mentioned or referred to that. Read back.

RobertKK · 22-10-2017 3:52pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

And made up stuff

It was in the Times about questions he and his family need to answer.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/questions-go-unanswered-6n2vm56qt

His father, Sheikh Hussein Halawa, is the imam of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland and general secretary of a European Islamic body presided over by a sheikh affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, the fundamentalist group.

In 2011 Wikileaks published a US diplomatic cable from 2006 showing that the Bush administration was concerned about the cultural centre’s links to the European Council for Fatwa and Research, a body it claimed was trying to impose Sharia in Europe.

The European council for Fatwa and Research believe gay people should be executed.
On freedom of religion: "All Muslim jurists agree that the apostate is to be punished. However, they differ regarding the punishment itself. The majority of them go for killing; meaning that an apostate is to be sentenced to death"
So if you leave Islam you should be killed.

Sheikh Halawa supports the wearing of the niqab and said he brought up his children in his values and not that of society.

He also said there are no radical Muslims in Ireland, which has proven to be a false.

On the threat posed by extremism in the community, Sheikh Halawa does not see any problem: “From an Islamic point of view, Islam condemns all forms of extremism. If the question is ‘are there radicalists’, radicalism you can see in members of all faiths and all philosophies, but for Muslims here in Ireland it is very limited to the extent that it cannot be mentioned.”

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/pride-and-prejudice-being-a-muslim-in-ireland-163331.html

Same year:

Dr Al-Kaddo also disputed claims, made in leaked US embassy cables, that ICCI members celebrated the kidnapping of Irish-born aid worker Margaret Hassan in 2004.

"We cannot be held accountable by our community or others for the actions of a few who see matters in a different light," he said.

"We are not aware that these celebrations took place. However, we do not condone it if they did. If we had knowledge of such celebrations on our premises we would have endeavoured to address the matter immediately and stopped such atrocious behaviour."
Dr Al-Kaddo also denied other US embassy-cable claims that children of ICCI members did not turn up for school and were visibly sad following the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qa'ida in Iraq, in 2006.

"We did not uncover any evidence that these events took place," he said.

"However, we cannot guarantee that all families are exempt from harsh viewpoints and we cannot prevent such actions.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fatwa-sheikh-with-links-to-irish-muslims-is-refused-visa-26759225.html

The problem with the 'oh ain't it great Ibrahim Halawa is free' is the same people are willing to turn a blind eye to why he and his sisters were actively supporting the MB in Egypt and don't want to discuss the families deep links to views that are not acceptable in our society or culture.

First Up · 22-10-2017 3:52pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote:

I never mentioned or referred to that. Read back.

I did.

end of the road · 22-10-2017 3:53pm

gitzy16v wrote: »

Opinions are not facts.

indeed they aren't but facts are facts. everything i postd in relation to this case are the facts as established.

K.Flyer · 22-10-2017 3:57pm

gitzy16v wrote: »

You pretend to know everything about them.

end of the road wrote: »

that's news to me. i certainly never claimed to know anything, [...]

end of the road wrote: »

their funds are tied up elsewhere, [...]

So how do you explain your assertions about their private financial affairs, I don't ever remember it being made public knowledge until you brought it up.

Will I Am Not · 22-10-2017 4:34pm

First Up wrote: »

I did.

So you will have seen Kivaro post about the sisters suing over the delay followed by EOTR quoting that post to say.

“assuming your allegation is correct, for which again there seems to be no evidence, then it's far from wacky and we don't live in any more of a wacky world now then we did a few years ago. the sisters are entitled to take a case and the case will be decided on it's merrits”

First Up · 22-10-2017 4:42pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote:

So you will have seen Kivaro post about the sisters suing over the delay followed by EOTR quoting that post to say.

Nobody is disputing that the sisters are taking a case.

Will I Am Not · 22-10-2017 4:49pm

First Up wrote: »

Nobody is disputing that the sisters are taking a case.

Well someone tried to make out it was another unsubstantiated claim. I was just setting them straight.

The rest is just nonsense that could have been avoided by reading.

First Up · 22-10-2017 4:53pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote:

Well someone tried to make out it was another unsubstantiated claim. I was just setting them straight.

No they didn't. Kivaro even acknowledged that the case is been taken in the piece you quoted. You have mixed up different points but none of it is relevant anyway.

Will I Am Not · 22-10-2017 5:00pm

First Up wrote: »

No they didn't. Kivaro even acknowledged that the case is been taken in the piece you quoted. You have mixed up different points but none of it is relevant anyway.

Yes Kivaro was the one that brought it up and EOTR replied with the post I quoted.

To me it reads that EOTR is saying it’s another claim with no evidence.

givyjoe · 22-10-2017 5:15pm

wexandproud wrote: »

so you keep saying . thats your and a lot of others opinion .

Its the legal opinion of the Egyptian authorities too. But, you know.. keep up those unfounded suspicions by all means.

First Up · 22-10-2017 5:16pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote:

To me it reads that EOTR is saying itâ€™s another claim with no evidence.

EOTR can account for his own posts but why would anyone dispute something that has been in the public domain for months if not longer?

Will I Am Not · 22-10-2017 5:24pm

First Up wrote: »

why would anyone dispute something that has been in the public domain for months if not longer?

Exactly. Which is why I posted this

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

There seems to be no evidence?
Did you look?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ibrahim-halawas-sisters-sue-minister-for-justice-over-delay-in-husbands-visas-790743.html

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1033418/halawa-sisters-to-sue-state-over-delay-in-allowing-husbands-to-join-them-in-ireland/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/halawa-sisters-complain-of-delay-in-deciding-if-husbands-can-join-them-in-ireland-1.3092181

Full circle.

Kivaro · 22-10-2017 5:36pm

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

To me it reads that EOTR is saying it’s another claim with no evidence.

Indeed. Finally gone full circle.
It's the reason why I have him on my ignore list for some time ....... and I can't see his posts unless they are quoted. His comment did not surprise me.

If we do not toe the liberal line and dare to post something not to their liking then we are making it up, or racist, or Islamophobic ... irrespective of the abundance of proof out there. Their comments and opinions however are always "facts".

wexandproud · 22-10-2017 5:38pm

givyjoe wrote: »

Its the legal opinion of the Egyptian authorities too. But, you know.. keep up those unfounded suspicions by all means.

big difference in being acquitted and being innocent

elperello · 22-10-2017 5:55pm

wexandproud wrote: »

big difference in being acquitted and being innocent

We have gone over all that. Please read back.

givyjoe · 22-10-2017 6:10pm

wexandproud wrote: »

big difference in being acquitted and being innocent

For Christ sake. There really isn't in this case. You do realise there wasn't even a trial? In essence, instead of being held for 24 or 48 hours.. he was held for.4 years without charge. Don't you think they would.have brought him to trial.if they had any evidence that might get them a conviction. Again, what crimes did he commit in Egypt that he isn't 'innocent' of committing..? Well? What is he not 'innocent' of and where Is your evidence.

Ps, if you can find some, perhaps you're in the wrong profession and should consider a career in the Egyptian equivalent of the DPP.

Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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