Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

gitzy16v

bajer101 wrote: »

I'm actually delighted about that Late Late Show interview. It's the father and his nonsensical beliefs. Great. Can we now dance that **** into oblivion.

Yep...really came across as a young lad railroaded by his father into everything he did.

The interview was perfect for exposing his families links to Islamism through clonskeagh mosque.
The real problem is the imam of clonskeagh mosque,funnily enough I think Ibrahim isn't all that enamoured by his father's beliefs.

bajer101

I kinda agree. It took a 17 year old being locked up to expose the nonsense of Islamism in Ireland. Great. They can fück off with that ****e now.

deco nate

givyjoe wrote: »

I have literally no idea what you are talking about, you asked 'what am I trying to do'. I'd no.idea what you were on about. Ive made nothing but honest attempts at a debate. If you have a question for me, ask it and I'll answer.

I will not bite to you're *clickbate *5/10*for trying yet again.

bajer101

Clonskeagh Mosque! It is already under investigation.

2wsxcde3

Ibrahims denial of being a supporter of the muslim brotherhood (on the Late Late show) can be summed up in one word:

Taqiya

Taqiya is a principal in Islam where if you are a muslim in a country where muslims are a minority, you can lie about your beliefs in order to avoid persecution and aid the spread of islam. Ibrahim had to deny being a supporter of the muslim brotherhood in order to avoid persecution (for holding that belief) in Ireland, therefore he was free to deny being a supporter of the muslim brotherhood.

Ibrahim came across as someone that was extremely coached in what to say in his interview. He made sure to call anyone who disagrees with him a racist (always a good card to play), and compared his family in Egypt as being like Irish-american families in America. Brilliantly done. And there was more if you watch it.

Ibrahim is now going to be a supporter of homeless people and people wrongly jailed. This will provide good PR for islam in ireland, aiding the future islamization of Ireland. Good strategy from the Clonskeagh mosque. Ibrahim will be the "nice" face of Islam while others in the Clonskeagh mosque (like Ali Selim) will be riding off the back of this to push for things like the recognition of polygamy in Ireland:

‘Debate needed’ on polygamous immigrant families

You got to hand it to them, they are a smart bunch in the Clonskeagh mosque. Smart that is except for their bonkers belief in Islam and Allah.

gitzy16v

^^^^^...that would explain a lot but for now I'll give Ibrahim the benefit of the doubt and say his aul boy pushed him into something he wasn't all that into.

quintana76

gitzy16v wrote: »

^^^^^...that would explain a lot but for now I'll give Ibrahim the benefit of the doubt and say his aul boy pushed him into something he wasn't all that into.

If that is so do you think the sisters are about to become secular humanists?

gitzy16v

quintana76 wrote: »

If that is so do you think the sisters are about to become secular humanists?

I've much less trust in the sisters for some strange reason.

2wsxcde3

dav3 wrote: »

He has been acquitted of all charges

The case was interfered with by both Enda Kenny and Leo Varadkar. It was so interfered with that the Egyptian President Sisi agreed to release Ibrahim MONTHS BEFORE the verdict was even announced in the trial.

Because of this, the Egyptians obviously couldn't find Ibrahim guilty and then release him home. It would make a mockery of the justice system. Because of Sisi's forced promise, Ibrahim had to be found not guilty.

bajer101

After tonight's interview. It's the father who is to blame.

bajer101

I think Hussein Halawa sent his 17 year old son to Egypt to support the Muslim Brotherhood.

I also think that that the claims that Ibrahim has been libelled either here, or on The Journal is nonsense

He was there at the behest of his father supporting the MB. My details are on record. Sue me if I'm wrong.

bajer101

Givyjoe, do you think Islamism is a bad thing? Just a yes or no please.

bajer101

I'd say all attention on the Clonskeagh Mosque is rather unwelcome. Bit like when Gilligan caused CAB to come about. FFS Ibrahim, this was our central financial hub...

littelady

Who are Ibrahims friends who were killed..he was never in Egypt before ?

littelady

Ibrahim sister disn't come across as in anyway greatful to the Irish government.

littelady

I took his flippant comment about returning to college he was laughing it off as in me in college sure I'm a celebrity.

bajer101

Looking back at the interview, the videos were the killer blow. Is it possible that the Halawa people were so obsessed with keeping questions about the father off the script, that they forgot to censor those videos? Fair play to Tubs. He wasn't buying the nonsense and exposed it as much as he was allowed.

homerjay2005

littelady wrote: »

Ibrahim sister disn't come across as in anyway greatful to the Irish government.

Sure arent they suing the irish state because of visa applications of their partners?

First Up

littelady wrote:

Who are Ibrahims friends who were killed..he was never in Egypt before ?

He went every year.

SnakePlissken

dav3 wrote: »

bajer101 wrote: »

Any chance he could be asked the questions that us rational critics have requested be asked for years? Firstly, what is his father's association with the MB? I'm sure other questions may flow, but can we start with that one please?

Surely that's a question for his father?

What's the obsession by some people with the father? It usually happens when they've run out of mud to throw. You can't all have been brainwashed by the poorly written, poorly researched and poorly structured blog.

Would this be the same blog whose author called you out with the offer of backing up your claims of its factual inaccuracy by producing evidence and yet you still haven't?

Sure you repeatedly and predictable attack said blog, yet not once have you provided any evidence to refute its author's claims.

If you're so committed to discrediting the blog's claims, why are you so deflective when asked to back up your cynicism?

yew_tree

I wonder is this lad on an FBI watch list? It's well known there are individuals being watched in this country. I love the way anyone who disagrees or doubts his story is immediately branded a racist.

People in this country don't believe Gerry Adams....are they racist too?

_Whimsical_

P_1 wrote: »

Impressive subtlety from Tubridy with the questions I have to say.

I thought he was a subtle as a brick. His suspicion was palpable as was ibrahims sense of needing to justify himself in response to the questions. I thought it made very uncomfortable viewing. Whatever his involvement no one can surely deny that he did not deserve imprisonment for 4 years or having trial dates set and pushed back constantly and that at 17 that was a dreadful experience. I think he was entitled to be interviewed on that point without having to justify his every action, none of them deserved what happened.

dav3

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Would this be the same blog whose author called you out with the offer of backing up your claims of its factual inaccuracy by producing evidence and yet you still haven't?

Sure you repeatedly and predictable attack said blog, yet not once have you provided any evidence to refute its author's claims.

If you're so committed to discrediting the blog's claims, why are you so deflective when asked to back up your cynicism?

Don't worry about me, I'm just a nobody on the internet. People continue to point out inaccuracies but they get ignored. They gave up years ago.

You should be asking why real journalists in Ireland won't touch the blogger or his blog with a barge pole, not just the Halawa stories, but any story he has ever put out.

BillyBobBS

yew_tree wrote: »

I wonder is this lad on an FBI watch list? It's well known there are individuals being watched in this country. I love the way anyone who disagrees or doubts his story is immediately branded a racist.

People in this country don't believe Gerry Adams....are they racist too?

You'd want to be very naive to believe a word from him. I for one would be very worried if the security forces of our state aren't keeping a very close eye on the going's on at the mosque in Clonskeagh

YFlyer

McGregor told a bigger lie on the LLS.

humphrys

dav3 wrote: »

Don't worry about me, I'm just a nobody on the internet. People continue to point out inaccuracies but they get ignored. They gave up years ago.

dav3, this is sad stuff. All you have to do is point out one fact I have wrong to discredit me. Go for it.

You should be asking why real journalists in Ireland won't touch the blogger or his blog with a barge pole, not just the Halawa stories, but any story he has ever put out.

So the Sunday Times are not "real journalists"? They published most of my core material on the Halawas.

And did you notice RTE used my videos last night?

BillyBobBS

YFlyer wrote: »

McGregor told a bigger lie on the LLS.

Go start up a thread on McGregor so.

YFlyer

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Go start up a thread on McGregor so.

He would love that.

dav3

humphrys wrote: »

dav3, this is sad stuff. All you have to do is point out one fact I have wrong to discredit me. Go for it.



So the Sunday Times are not "real journalists"? They published most of my core material on the Halawas.

And did you notice RTE used my videos last night?

Oy vey, you're back.

Are you going to stick around this time, or do a runner when people start asking you the difficult questions again?

Ah yes, the UK Sunday Times, your family must be very proud of you having your rant published in a british newspaper.

Why do you think real journalists in Ireland refuse to have any dealings with you?

WinnyThePoo

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Would this be the same blog whose author called you out with the offer of backing up your claims of its factual inaccuracy by producing evidence and yet you still haven't?

Sure you repeatedly and predictable attack said blog, yet not once have you provided any evidence to refute its author's claims.

If you're so committed to discrediting the blog's claims, why are you so deflective when asked to back up your cynicism?

His blog is ****e. He should go back to what he does best. Polishing the IDF guns.

El Horseboxo

I remember going to San Cristóbal de las Casas in México when I was 18. My ancestry is from there. It was during protest by Zapatistas. I had no idea who they really were beyond hearing of the name. I was not political at all in my leanings in any form or fashion in relation to Mexican politics.

I went there with family for a wedding and while there violent protests started. While out one of the days we got caught up in it. Got talking to people while talking cover and they start explaining the whole thing. Was amazing how quickly anger built up as I couldn't understand how what they were telling me could happen ao indiscriminately. Them and their friends were connected to some group. I, along with my friend were introduced. Later that day I spoke to thousands of people. I didn't say much as I wasn't knowledgeable about the whole thing. But I did say it passionately. Just words about injustices. Part of me was over compensating to try hide the fact I wasn't really political. People do this every day of their life when dealing with topics they aren't too familiar or comfortable with. Empty vessels make the most noise. And my vessel was empty when it came to Mexican politics. The people I met basically begged me to speak because I was American.

Seeing the video of Ibrahim on that show tonight drew a lot of parallels to what happened me. Just the whole being thrown into the forefront when I basically had very little interest or knowledge. But while there I got caught up in it. Almost like going to a sport I don't care about but cheer anyway because the atmosphere was good. Caught in the moment. That's where the parallels stop however as I was never arrested and went home a few days later. Never seen any videos of it as it was at a time phones weren't around like today.

Perhaps Ibrahim is lying. But I don't doubt that what he said may have happened too. Especially if he had a father that was a supporter of what was happening. Ibrahim could have been pushed forward because he was from Ireland. It was something different to parade out. Just like me with being American.

Beechwoodspark

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

His blog is ****e. He should go back to what he does best. Polishing the IDF guns.

Stop with the ad hominem attacks please and address the issues

GerryDerpy

Feel sorry for the lad being born into that shoite. But at some stage a lad grows up and has responsibility to tell Allah to go fcuk himself.

gozunda

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

His blog is ****e. He should go back to what he does best. Polishing the IDF guns.

As far as I'm aware he welcomes anyone to point out anything they believe to be incorrect with him directly.

Maybe you should do so rather than throwing rabid accusations.

Beechwoodspark

BillyBobBS wrote: »

You'd want to be very naive to believe a word from him. I for one would be very worried if the security forces of our state aren't keeping a very close eye on the going's on at the mosque in Clonskeagh

I'd say not just our security services but the likes of the Americans are watching them like hawks-I don't blame them. The father in particular is a very sinister figure.

WinnyThePoo

gozunda wrote: »

As far as I'm aware he welcomes anyone to point out anything they believe to be incorrect with him directly.

Maybe you should do so rather than throwing rabid accusations.

He does like the idf. He likes them very very very much. Nothing accusatory there.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

dav3 wrote: »

Oy vey, you're back.

Are you going to stick around this time, or do a runner when people start asking you the difficult questions again?

Ah yes, the UK Sunday Times, your family must be very proud of you having your rant published in a british newspaper.

Why do you think real journalists in Ireland refuse to have any dealings with you?

That's anti-Semitic stereotyping.

Beechwoodspark

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

He does like the idf. He likes them very very very much. Nothing accusatory there.

Can you please address the issues at hand. That would be great. Thanks

gozunda

El Horseboxo wrote: »

I remember going to San Cristóbal de las Casas in México when I was 18. My ancestry is from there. It was during protest by Zapatistas. I had no idea who they really were beyond hearing of the name. I was not political at all in my leanings in any form or fashion in relation to Mexican politics.

I went there with family for a wedding and while there violent protests started. While out one of the days we got caught up in it. Got talking to people while talking cover and they start explaining the whole thing. Was amazing how quickly anger built up as I couldn't understand how what they were telling me could happen ao indiscriminately. Them and their friends were connected to some group. I, along with my friend were introduced. Later that day I spoke to thousands of people. I didn't say much as I wasn't knowledgeable about the whole thing. But I did say it passionately. Just words about injustices. Part of me was over compensating to try hide the fact I wasn't really political. People do this every day of their life when dealing with topics they aren't too familiar or comfortable with. Empty vessels make the most noise. And my vessel was empty when it came to Mexican politics. The people I met basically begged me to speak because I was American.

Seeing the video of Ibrahim on that show tonight drew a lot of parallels to what happened me. Just the whole being thrown into the forefront when I basically had very little interest or knowledge. But while there I got caught up in it. Almost like going to a sport I don't care about but cheer anyway because the atmosphere was good. Caught in the moment. That's where the parallels stop however as I was never arrested and went home a few days later. Never seen any videos of it as it was at a time phones weren't around like today.

Perhaps Ibrahim is lying. But I don't doubt that what he said may have happened too. Especially if he had a father that was a supporter of what was happening. Ibrahim could have been pushed forward because he was from Ireland. It was something different to parade out. Just like me with being American.

Did you get "caught up in it" for several weeks and attend multiple protests as well? Incredible ...

gozunda

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

He does like the idf. He likes them very very very much. Nothing accusatory there.

IDF- Irish Defence Forces?
Please post relevant links then if you are going to imply anything. I for one do not find his information "sho*te"

He is an academic of good standing. Has a PhD. Posts factual backed up with relevant information. The LLS video shown was saved by him after being removed from Social Media by relevant parties. He welcomes debate with any who wishes to discuss any of the points he has made.

Play the ball if you wish to discuss the issues at hand ...

Roger Hassenforder

dav3 wrote: »

Oy vey, you're back.

Are you going to stick around this time, or do a runner when people start asking you the difficult questions again?

Ah yes, the UK Sunday Times, your family must be very proud of you having your rant published in a british newspaper.

Anyone whose criticism of someone on a wholly unrelated matter based on antiBrit bile be dismissed.

mfceiling

First Up wrote: »

He went every year.

And you know this how? Did he not say that his father told him to visit his family because he hadn't seen them for a long while?

Snake Plisken

dav3 wrote: »

Oy vey, you're back.

Are you going to stick around this time, or do a runner when people start asking you the difficult questions again?

Ah yes, the UK Sunday Times, your family must be very proud of you having your rant published in a british newspaper.

Why do you think real journalists in Ireland refuse to have any dealings with you?

What’s that got to do with anything? It’s The Irish version of the Newspaper? Are you that desperate that all you can do is play the totally irrelevant “British” angle?

suicide_circus

Why were his parents so absent from the public campaign to get him released?

weldoninhio

gozunda wrote: »

Did you get "caught up in it" for several weeks and attend multiple protests as well? Incredible ...

Or go on Mexican TV stating that you were willing to fight to the last bullet??

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

I have to say reading through this thread the IH supporters posting are not coming across well.

There has been numerous attempts of de-railing the thread by ye on here.

From the ridiculous Mexican story, to the anti Semitic/anti British carry on to givyjoe deliberately acting like he doesn't understand people's answers to his questions.

Just like we didn't fall for IH's lies last night we are not falling for your carry on now.

gozunda

bajer101 wrote: »

Looking back at the interview, the videos were the killer blow. Is it possible that the Halawa people were so obsessed with keeping questions about the father off the script, that they forgot to censor those videos? Fair play to Tubs. He wasn't buying the nonsense and exposed it as much as he was allowed.

The videos had been deleted on social media after they had been posted. Those shown were copied by others prior to deletion and for that reason would not have been available to censor by the 'Halawa people' ... I agree the videos countered some of the PR spin imo

TommyTucker2

yew_tree wrote: »

People in this country don't believe Gerry Adams....are they racist too?

tbh, anybody who DOES believe Gerry Adams is an idiot. But Gerry doesn't get to hide behind the shield that he grew up as an oppressed minority and to ask him questions about his past is discrimination. The truth is the truth. And in that same way, Ibrahim doesn't get to hid behind the oppressed minority shield. Not matter what the colour of his skin or his religion, his story about how he ended up at the protest is not honest, and this makes anything he says difficult to trust.

It would be more racist NOT to ask the hard questions about him, just because he is from a minority. THAT would be treating him differently based on the colour of his skin.

Buford T. Justice XIX

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

He does like the idf. He likes them very very very much. Nothing accusatory there.

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

His blog is ****e. He should go back to what he does best. Polishing the IDF guns.

Mod note: WinnieThePoo, do not post in this thread again. This thread concerns Ibrahim Halawa only.

Buford T. Justice.

tomwaterford

suicide_circus wrote: »

Why were his parents so absent from the public campaign to get him released?

His mother's quiet sick going by the late late interview and i assume may not be fit to face public and intensive questioning??


If this tread is anything to go by,if his ould lad appeared he'd get forgotten about in the furore??


If I was him,I'd not court any press etc and just fade into normal civilian life....and seriously contemplate deleting social media for a few years until everything dies down....who needs the constant public scrutiny,he'll face??