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Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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    #2432
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well as no-one here really knows each others actual nationality - how does anyone know then

    a) that you're Irish?
    b) that I'm Irish?

    Ok we have seen IH has a recently issued (temporary) Irish passport - it is safe to assume he has Irish citizenship

    Does he feel Irish? Does he believe he is Irish?
    Maybe - but we do know that he has publicacly stated that he is from Egypt and 'lives' in Ireland .....

    ibriham is irish.
    gozunda wrote: »
    Nope ... the above is all unsubstantiated opinion that has already been subject to several posts. Repeating wont make it fact you know - 100 % or otherwise ...

    no it's fact. the fact that it's fact means it's fact.
    gozunda wrote: »
    Re. OH protesting?
    Btw - though you said he was on holiday? Unusual activity to spend several weeks protesting whilst on holiday no?

    the family said they were on holiday and got caught up in the protest. that hasn't been disproved.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2433
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    end of the road wrote: »
    he is as irish as you.

    Nope,wrong again.


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    #2434
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    end of the road wrote: »
    he is as irish as you.

    As previous- you have no idea how Irish any poster here is or otherwise
    end of the road wrote: »
    the egyptians released him as they had no evidence that he was guilty when it came down to it. there are questions in relation to the video as to whether it actually was ibriham and his sisters. there was another video which it was claimed showed him burning his passport (a claim now shown to be fake news) but it was actually a british man in it.

    How much of his release was down to political pressure and diplomatic arrangements by the Irish government? We know for sure that he was moved into the VIP section of the Tora prison on the basis of such pressure. It would appear nominally that the same could be said of his release etc

    The alledged passport burning has now been consigned to the rubbish heap due largely to the mutable state of social media ...

    The sisters (Fatima and Nosayba) have previously confirmed they were a) attending the protest and b) on that video

    The sound track contains audio that has detail of the sisters stating their names and where their from ...


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    #2435
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    elperello wrote: »
    Culture is sociological
    Age is chronological

    And time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so!


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    #2436
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    end of the road wrote: »
    ibriham is irish.

    Yes but does he believe he is Irish?

    Are you Irish?

    How do you know I'm Irish?

    As said he has stated publicly that he is from Egypt and lives in Ireland ...

    It was lucky for him he was given a temporary Irish passport to help get him out of trouble ...
    end of the road wrote: »
    no it's fact. the fact that it's fact means it's fact.
    You saying so does not make it fact. It appears to rather simplified opinion at best ...
    end of the road wrote: »
    the family said they were on holiday and got caught up in the protest. that hasn't been disproved.

    The story from them has changed so many times now. They appear to have deliberately attended the protests in a period that lasted several weeks - that's not 'caught up I'm by any stretch of the imagination...


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    #2437
    [Deleted User]
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Yes but does he believe he is Irish?
    Ah jaysus, scraping the barrel here.

    You don't become a citizen of Ireland, i.e. Irish, on foot of a 'belief', despite what is (falsely) attributed to the Duke of Wellington.

    I wonder how many people would say some sixth-generation New Yorker is 'Irish' based on their "feeling"? You can't have it both ways.

    Any attempt to reject Halawa's Irishness is about as close to the 'No true Scotsman' fallacy that you can get. It doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. He's Irish, guys. Get over it.


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    #2438
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Interesting things learnt on this thread today

    Q. Is IH "Irish"
    A. Yes / No / It depends .. it is not clear how IH feels whether Egyptian / Irish or both ...

    Q. Does IH have Irish Citizenship
    A. Yes - He was recently given a temporary Irish passport

    Q. What was IH and his siblings doing in Egypt
    A. On holiday / Protesting / Protesting on Holiday

    Q. What was IH & siblings protesting about?
    A. Evidence indicated they were there to support and speak at the Muslim Brotherhood protests - one of which was called by the MB as the "Day of Rage" ...

    Q. DID the Irish government help secure IHs release
    A. More than likley

    Q. What is the MB?
    A. The Muslim brotherhood were briefly in power in Egpyt - prior to widespread anti MB protests due to the abuse of power by the MB president M. Morsi . These anti MB protests were followed by a military style coup in which government rule was removed from the extremist MB party

    Note: The MB is now a proscribed terrorist organisation in Egypt and in many other Arab countries...


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    #2439
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Ah jaysus, scraping the barrel here.

    You don't become a citizen of Ireland, i.e. Irish, on foot of a 'belief', despite what is (falsely) attributed to the Duke of Wellington.

    I wonder how many people would say some sixth-generation New Yorker is 'Irish' based on their "feeling"? You can't have it both ways.

    Any attempt to reject Halawa's Irishness is about as close to the 'No true Scotsman' fallacy that you can get. It doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. He's Irish, guys. Get over it.


    That's not the issue under discussion.
    There's a very real difference in having an Irish passport or any other passport and a person's feelings about their identity. OH has stated that he is "from Egypt" but "Lives in Ireland" even though it has been stated he was born in Ireland - figure that one out for yourself ...


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    #2440
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    How much did it all cost? How much did it cost relative to how much does is cost to provide services to the average irish person every year?seems like reverse discrimination to me.


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    #2441
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Interesting things learnt on this thread today

    Q. Is IH irish
    A. Yes / No / It depends ..
    It doesn't.

    He was born in the Coombe in 1995 (the application of jus soli survived until January 1st 2005). I'm not engaging with this, you can't rewrite the rules of nationality based on your 'feeling', or that of anybody else's. I'll leave you to it.


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    #2442
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    end of the road wrote: »
    ibriham is irish.

    His culture, heritage and blood is Egyptian, being born in Ireland does not change that.
    the family said they were on holiday and got caught up in the protest. that hasn't been disproved.

    Absolute nonsense.
    They deliberately set out to take part in what was extremely aggressive protests which turned violent and bloody.
    In early July they spent a long time, every day for weeks at the Rabaa camp ""The Halawas were at Rabaa all day every day," says Aly Zein, a coordinator for [the MB group EAD] who became friends with the siblings during the sit-in.
    This protest ended in violence and deaths.
    Did it stop or deter them, no it did not!
    They went on to give speeches from the back of a trailer.
    Then they went to take part in a protest titled The Day of Rage, which any fool knew was not going to be a walk in the park, was going to be heated and end up violent and bloody.
    These were deliberate acts of taking part, not just happened to get caught up in the moment.


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    #2443
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    It doesn't.

    He was born in the Coombe in 1995 (the application of jus soli survived until January 1st 2005). I'm not engaging with this, you can't rewrite the rules of nationality based on your 'feeling', or that of anybody else's. I'll leave you to it.

    My reply to the above again ...


    That's not the issue under discussion.
    There's a very real difference in having an Irish passport or any other passport and a person's feelings about their identity. OH has stated that he is "from Egypt" but "Lives in Ireland" even though it has been stated he was born in Ireland - figure that one out for yourself ...


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    #2444
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    He was 17 years of age. He was his fathers responsibilty by law. Why was the father not questioned. His father sent him to Egypt in a revolutionary circumstance. He was a brainwashed kid. His father should have been questioned about his paternal failures. It seems that ideology came befofe family. Shame on daddy Halawa.


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    #2445
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    gozunda wrote: »
    That's not the issue under discussion.
    There's a very real difference in having an Irish passport or any other passport and a person's feelings about their identity. OH has stated that he is "from Egypt" but "Lives in Ireland" even though it has been stated he was born in Ireland - figure that one out for yourself ...


    none of that changes the fact he is 100% irish.
    smurgen wrote: »
    How much did it all cost? How much did it cost relative to how much does is cost to provide services to the average irish person every year?seems like reverse discrimination to me.


    send a FOI request to the relevant department.
    K.Flyer wrote: »
    His culture, heritage and blood is Egyptian, being born in Ireland does not change that.

    he is irish. suck it up.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2446
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    quintana76 wrote: »
    He was 17 years of age. He was his fathers responsibilty by law. Why was the father not questioned. His father sent him to Egypt in a revolutionary circumstance. He was a brainwashed kid. His father should have been questioned about his paternal failures. It seems that ideology came befofe family. Shame on daddy Halawa.

    Does daddy work?


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    #2447
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Daddy has an imam vibe going on. Reasonably paid I would say.


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    #2448
    glenfieldman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Mr amnesty international, Colm O’Gorman contradicts the official narrative of “just on holiday” bs


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    #2449
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    end of the road wrote:
    the family said they were on holiday and got caught up in the protest. that hasn't been disproved.


    You expect the above to be believed considering the multitude of lies his family told? This and the previous threads demonstrate what kind of gullible and deluded individuals reside in this state.


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    #2450
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,101 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I will have to Apologise to O Gorman.

    Maybe he is not talking BS;)


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    #2451
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    end of the road wrote: »
    none of that changes the fact he is 100% irish
    he is irish. suck it up.

    You appear to be ignoring the obvious and replacing it with your own ideas

    It is clear that what was being discussed was IHs own feelings about his identity not his citizenship.

    As said before it would appear that IH has held the belief that he only "Lives in Ireland" and is "from Egypt" - would you change that on his behalf? Are you telling him what he should think - it certainly looks that way from your repeated and your misdirected assertions on this thread...
    Why is that?


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    #2452
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    end of the road wrote: »
    who are the "Moslem Brotherhood" what is a "Moslem"

    i have heard of muslem and the muslem brotherhood but not moslem and the moslem brotherhood.
    .

    I'm sorry but there is no way, no possible way, that this is a ligitimate account.

    That one who spends all their time arguing in any fora that might involve Islam, does not understand that "Moslem" is perfectly acceptable, whilst believing the correct spelling is actually Muslem, cannot be genuine.

    No one could possibly be so... Nope, not going there, but honestly this is like the time said poster told me to get off my "pedal stool", pedal stool, I love it.


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    #2453
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.

    Look at the end of the Ibrahim Halawa was nothing more than a foolish teenager who made a foolish choice and paid for it in the worst way.

    And Luke it or not he was born and raised here - that makes him Irish regardless of his name, religion or the color of his skin.


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    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    I'm sorry but there is no way, no possible way, that this is a ligitimate account.

    That one who spends all their time arguing in any fora that might involve Islam, does not understand that "Moslem" is perfectly acceptable, whilst believing the correct spelling is actually Muslem, cannot be genuine.

    No one could possibly be so... Nope, not going there, but honestly this is like the time said poster told me to get off my "pedal stool", pedal stool, I love it.

    I think you may have a point

    With the amount of repeated misinformation being posted again and again is it possible we have an active pro clonskeagh shrill?


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    #2455
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.

    Look at the end of the Ibrahim Halawa was nothing more than a foolish teenager who made a foolish choice and paid for it in the worst way.

    And Luke it or not he was born and raised here - that makes him Irish regardless of his name, religion or the color of his skin.

    Again with this. Where's the racism? Where's the mention of his skin colour? Only ones mentioning his race are those looking for a race angle.

    As for begrudgery... I'm at a loss there. What's to begrudge?!!


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    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.

    Look at the end of the Ibrahim Halawa was nothing more than a foolish teenager who made a foolish choice and paid for it in the worst way.

    And Luke it or not he was born and raised here - that makes him Irish regardless of his name, religion or the color of his skin.

    I have an issue with the group and its beliefs he was protesting for.

    Its not acceptable in Ireland and never will be.

    Its really as simple as that.


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    #2457
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.
    Look at the end of the Ibrahim Halawa was nothing more than a foolish teenager who made a foolish choice and paid for it in the worst way.
    And Luke it or not he was born and raised here - that makes him Irish regardless of his name, religion or the color of his skin.


    Is it so because you say it? No

    What about IH own views on his identity - are you ignoring that as well?


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    #2458
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    end of the road wrote: »
    none of that changes the fact he is 100% irish.




    send a FOI request to the relevant department.



    he is irish. suck it up.

    I worked and lived in Germany for a number of years, all my job was in English,
    apparently I was entitled to a German passport.
    I could probably order a beer in German, maybe have a basic basic conversation - but I am EMBARRASSED about my ****e level of German for living there for so long.

    Am I German ?


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    #2459
    Jim Bob Scratcher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.

    Look at the end of the Ibrahim Halawa was nothing more than a foolish teenager who made a foolish choice and paid for it in the worst way.

    And Luke it or not he was born and raised here - that makes him Irish regardless of his name, religion or the color of his skin.

    That word should be eradicated. I haven't seen Catholics anytime on this forum crying about Christianphobia


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    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.

    Look at the end of the Ibrahim Halawa was nothing more than a foolish teenager who made a foolish choice and paid for it in the worst way.

    And Luke it or not he was born and raised here - that makes him Irish regardless of his name, religion or the color of his skin.

    I wouldn't worry about it. Here on planet earth, everyone, along with the Halawas, are getting on with their lives.

    There are only a few headcases left still crying that nobody is listening to them. It's all part of a grand conspiracy. They'll settle down eventually. They always do.


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    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    AudreyHepburn wrote:
    There’s some amount of racism, begrudgery and islamophobia on this thread.


    When you can't put forth a valid argument the deflaut positin is to suggest all others are racists. Well played Madam....at making yourself look stupid.


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