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Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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    #2582
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    RustyNut wrote:
    Any chance you could back up your claim re IEBC and electoral fraud? You were quick to throw allegations of lying earlier.


    Answered already, but there was concern about the behaviour of all parties involved in the election and the constitutional vote Morsi tried.


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    #2583
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Cause you say so?Ha ha.

    I'm just waiting for you to backup your claim, I don't think you can.


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    #2584
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,454 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    "Day of Rage" doesn't have peaceful connotations tbh.

    sounds a like a wrestling ppv :P
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #2585
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Love it a post thanked by a lad who claimed he shouted Allah Akbar in many European airports. : )


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    #2586
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    seamus wrote:
    That's not a question for him to answer. He didn't spend the state's money. "Why did you ask for taxpayer's help?". "Because I was in prison despite being innocent".


    He was in prison for taking part in a violent protest against the Egyptian government. Acquittal is not the same as being found innocent.


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    #2587
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    RustyNut wrote:
    I'm just waiting for you to backup your claim, I don't think you can.

    Answered.


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    #2588
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The IEBC does. I'm not part of the commission but their report I believe is still avaible online.

    Who are this IEBC who done a report into the Egyptian elections or did you just make that up, lie?


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    #2589
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Answered.

    I know you can't do links but would you be good enough to give us the post number that backs up your claim?


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    #2590
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    RustyNut wrote:
    Who are this IEBC who done a report into the Egyptian elections or did you just make that up, lie?


    You never heard of the International Electoral and Boundary Commission? Jimmy Carter was once an observer for them. Obviously the last part of your post proves you never even bothered to look just wishing to cast aspiration. I don't lie petal I know in your world it's the norm but it's not for me.


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    #2591
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    He was in prison for taking part in a violent protest against the Egyptian government. Acquittal is not the same as being found innocent.

    This has been covered multiple times. Do you have any evidence that he 'took part' in violence? Being at a protest, which turned violent, does not mean you are guilty of a crime, i.e. taking part in the violence/breaking a law. A fact which the Egyptian authorities obviously agree with too.

    Many, many people have been arrested before, and will be again, when they haven't actually committed any offence. Please show us the evidence that supports your claim that he is not innocent, i.e. actually committed an offence at the protest.


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    #2592
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    RustyNut wrote:
    I know you can't do links but would you be good enough to give us the post number that backs up your claim?

    What post are you referring to?


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    #2593
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    First Up wrote: »
    Link it so.
    ..that made me laugh :D

    Are you related to Captain Picard ;)


    latest?cb=20160325065605


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    #2594
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    givyjoe wrote:
    This has been covered multiple times. Do you have any evidence that he 'took part' in violence? Being at a protest, which turned violent, does not mean you are guilty of a crime, i.e. taking part in the violence/breaking a law. A fact which the Egyptian authorities obviously agree with too.

    Where in what I have siad is factually incorrect? He was in prison for taking part in a protest. He was in the Mosque stormed by Police.


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    #2595
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    givyjoe wrote:
    Many, many people have been arrested before, and will be again, when they haven't actually committed any offence. Please show us the evidence that supports your claim that he is not innocent, i.e. actually committed an offence at the protest.

    Can't make sense of this drivel. I tried.


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    #2596
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,978 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    He was in prison for taking part in a violent protest against the Egyptian government. Acquittal is not the same as being found innocent.


    An accused person walks into court presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.
    Following acquittal he walks out as he walked in innocent in the eyes of the law.


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    #2597
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,454 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Who are this IEBC who done a report into the Egyptian elections or did you just make that up, lie?

    I read IBEC :o Specsavers for me
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    #2598
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    elperello wrote:
    An accused person walks into court presumed innocent in the eyes of the law. Following acquittal he walks out as he walked in innocent in the eyes of the law.

    Actually that's an incorrect assumption, there is not a blanket formula in all countries/ jurisdictions. Again acquittal does not equate to innocent. Ask Simpson.


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    #2599
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Can't make sense of this drivel. I tried.

    I'll try again, seen as your basic comprehension skills have again, completely let you down. See the bolded text for extra help on answering the simple question posed to you. :rolleyes:

    It's all very simple really, he was found to have no case to answer for by the Egyptian authorities. Can you please tell us what legal case, he (I. Halawa) should have to answer before the courts?

    You said he wasn't found to be innocent, so.. what is he guilty of?. I mean a prosecutable crime by the way, not moral judgments. And some real verifiable evidence would be great.


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    #2600
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Actually that's an incorrect assumption, there is not a blanket formula in all countries/ jurisdictions. Again acquittal does not equate to innocent. Ask Simpson.

    You had the cheek to dismiss my post as drivel, yet you reference OJ Simpson as relevant to this case? Once accused, must be guilty of something?:rolleyes:

    Ps. You do know that OJ was sued in civil court, successfully, for those murders?


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    #2601
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    givyjoe wrote:
    It's all very simple really, he was found to have no case to answer for by the Egyptian authorities. Can you please tell us what legal case, he (I. Halawa) should have to answer before the courts? You said he wasn't found to be innocent, so.. what is he guilty of?. I mean a prosecutable crime by the way, not moral judgments. And some real verifiable evidence would be great.


    Here it is in very simple terms there may not be enough evidence to secure a crinmal conviction but acquittal does not equate to a verdict of innocence. Hope that helps. Somehow I don't think it will.


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    #2602
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,978 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Actually that's an incorrect assumption, there is not a blanket formula in all countries/ jurisdictions. Again acquittal does not equate to innocent. Ask Simpson.

    You are wrong again. Ask a lawyer.


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    #2603
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,978 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Here it is in very simple terms there may not be enough evidence to secure a crinmal conviction but acquittal does not equate to a verdict of innocence. Hope that helps. Somehow I don't think it will.

    We are discussing criminal law..


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    #2604
    Matt.ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭Matt.ie


    Hitman3000 wrote:
    Here it is in very simple terms there may not be enough evidence to secure a crinmal conviction but acquittal does not equate to a verdict of innocence. Hope that helps. Somehow I don't think it will.


    This is my understanding also.

    The prosecution could have retried halawa if they had gotten their ducks in a row,(within 60 days)but only because he was acquitted.
    This retrial couldn't occur if the judge had said that halawa was innocent. The judge didn't of course proclaim halawa as innocent.


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    #2605
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,454 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Can we get IB to do a AMA on here
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #2606
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    givyjoe wrote:
    You had the cheek to dismiss my post as drivel, yet you reference OJ Simpson as relevant to this case? Once accused, must be guilty of something?

    Of course I dismissed it as drivel and it still is.


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    #2607
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Can't make sense of this drivel. I tried.
    Mod note: It is quite easy to reply without insulting another poster. This style of reply will not be tolerated any longer so consider yourself warned!

    This also applies to all posters on here.

    Buford T Justice.


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    #2608
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    elperello wrote:
    You are wrong again. Ask a lawyer.


    Don't need to, anyway I live in Ireland no practising lawyers here.


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    #2609
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    elperello wrote:
    We are discussing criminal law..

    Yes I know that and if you understood criminal law you would know that acquittal means the case has not been proven not that the defendant is innocent.


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    #2610
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You never heard of the International Electoral and Boundary Commission? Jimmy Carter was once an observer for them. Obviously the last part of your post proves you never even bothered to look just wishing to cast aspiration. I don't lie petal I know in your world it's the norm but it's not for me.

    It appears that google have never heard of the "International Electoral and Boundary Commission" either. Are you possibly mistaken?


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    #2611
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Yes I know that and if you understood criminal law you would know that acquittal means the case has not been proven not that the defendant is innocent.

    But the UN human rights is everyone is entitled to be presumed innocent until proven guilty??


    He wasn't proven guilty,hence in eyes of all countries that sign up to the UN human rights he's presumed innocent??


    Unless you wish to begin to peel away at peoples human rights?


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