Arc De Triomphe 2017

tryfix

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Deserves a break now. Great horse

Where to now for her? The Breeders Cup, English Champions day?

Will they keep her in training next year?

tryfix

Winter was never happy at any stage of the race and Capri was equally out of sorts..

WickIow Brave

Super filly. Now three more Group Ones!

Itziger

tryfix wrote: »

Winter was never happy at any stage of the race and Capri was equally out of sorts..

I thought Winter moved into a really good position in the home straight but it looked like Moore had to snatch her off someone's heels at a crucial moment. Not saying she would have worried the winer mind.

Joe_ Public

Would love to see them target the Champions and the Breeders Cup, though admittedly it's a big ask to try and go for the two. She looks remarkably fresh, though, for a long season and is tough enough to withstand it. Wouldn't surprise me either to see her put away for the season, especially if the plan is to bring her back next term.

tijuanaboozer

Enable in the parade ring beforehand

tryfix

1 (2)

Enable 4/5F
Frankie Dettori
John Gosden

b f Nathaniel(IRE) - Concentric (Sadler's Wells)
Always handy, angled out to chase leading pair inside final 2 1/2f, quickened to lead under 2f out, ridden clear 1 1/2f out, stayed on strongly


2 (3)
2½
Cloth Of Stars (IRE) 209/10
Mickael Barzalona
A Fabre

b c Sea The Stars(IRE) - Strawberry Fledge(USA) (Kingmambo)
Settled in midfield, good headway over 1 1/2f out, driven and stayed on to go 2nd 110yds from home, no chance with winner


3 (1)
1¼ [3¾]
Ulysses (IRE) 121/10
Jim Crowley
Sir Michael Stoute

ch c Galileo(IRE) - Light Shift(USA) (Kingmambo)
Raced a little freely early, always prominent, tracked eventual winner through 2f out, ridden to go 2nd approaching final furlong but unable to keep tabs on winner, kept on final furlong, lost 2nd 110yds from home, no extra


4 (9)
1½ [5¼]
Order Of St George (IRE) 141/10
Donnacha O'Brien
A P O'Brien

b h Galileo(IRE) - Another Storm(USA) (Gone West)
Always close up, 2nd and scrubbed along 2 1/2f out, chased leaders from 2f out, stayed on without having pace to challenge


5 (4)
1¼ [6½]
Brametot (IRE) 174/10
Cristian Demuro
J-C Rouget

b c Rajsaman(FR) - Morning Light(GER) (Law Society)
Close up on inner, 4th and driven 2 1/2f out, no impression well over 1 1/2f out, kept on under pressure final furlong


6 (10)
½ [7]
Dschingis Secret (GER) 145/10
Adrie de Vries
Markus Klug

b c Soldier Hollow - Divya(GER) (Platini)
Waited with in midfield on outer, 5th and travelling well enough 3f out, scrubbed along in pursuit of leaders 2f out, soon ridden and no impression, kept on same pace final furlong


7 (6)
hd [7¼]
Iquitos (GER) 46/1
Andrasch Starke
H-J Groschel

b h Adlerflug(GER) - Irika(GER) (Areion)
Towards rear, headway 2f out, stayed on under pressure final 1 1/2f, never nearer


8 (7)
nse [7¼]
Idaho (IRE) 36/1
Seamie Heffernan
A P O'Brien

b c Galileo(IRE) - Hveger(AUS) (Danehill)
Led, driven inside final 2 1/2f, headed under 2f out, kept on same pace under pressure


9 (8)
nk [7½]
Winter (IRE) 114/10
Ryan Moore
A P O'Brien

gr f Galileo(IRE) - Laddies Poker Two(IRE) (Choisir)
Waited with in midfield on rail, driven along but not much room over 1 1/2f out, no impression approaching final furlong, never troubled leaders


10 (18)
¾ [8¼]
Zarak (FR) 152/10
Christophe Soumillon
A De Royer-Dupre

b c Dubawi(IRE) - Zarkava(IRE) (Zamindar)
Waited with towards rear, began to close more than 2f out, effort petered out final furlong, never beyond midfield


11 (11)
nk [8½]
One Foot In Heaven (IRE) 95/1
James Doyle
A De Royer-Dupre

b h Fastnet Rock(AUS) - Pride(FR) (Peintre Celebre)
Raced towards rear, ridden along over 2f out, stayed on from 1 1/2f out, run flattened out last 100yds


12 (12)
nk [9]
Doha Dream (FR) 83/1
Gregory Benoist
A Fabre

b c Shamardal(USA) - Crystal Reef (King's Best)
Waited with in final trio, headway 1 1/2f out, kept on past beaten horses, never in contention


13 (14)
1½ [10½]
Plumatic 46/1
Maxime Guyon
A Fabre

b c Dubawi(IRE) - Plumania (Anabaa)
Settled in midfield, niggled along but not much room over 2f out, angled out and effort under pressure 1 1/2f out, weakened final furlong


14 (17)
½ [11]
Seventh Heaven (IRE) 87/1
Pat Smullen
A P O'Brien

b f Galileo(IRE) - La Traviata(USA) (Johannesburg)
Raced towards rear, ridden and no progress 2 1/2f out, never able to get involved


15 (13)
hd [11]
Satono Diamond (JPN) 217/10
Christophe-Patrice Lemaire
Yasutoshi Ikee

b c Deep Impact(JPN) - Malpensa(ARG) (Orpen)
Waited with in final third on outer, ridden and brief effort 2f out, soon beaten


16 (5)
½ [11½]
Satono Noblesse (JPN) 108/1
Yuga Kawada
Yasutoshi Ikee

bb h Deep Impact(JPN) - Cry With Joy(JPN) (Tony Bin)
Prominent, outpaced and driven 2f out, soon dropped away


17 (15)
1 [12½]
Capri (IRE) 37/1
Wayne Lordan
A P O'Brien

gr c Galileo(IRE) - Dialafara(FR) (Anabaa)
Scrubbed along early, soon settled towards rear of midfield, ridden towards rear over 2f out but no impression, well held final furlong


18 (16)
20 [32½]
Silverwave (FR) 87/1
Pierre-Charles Boudot
P Bary

b h Silver Frost(IRE) - Miss Bio(FR) (River Mist)
Waited with in rear, lost touch from 2f out, tailed off

https://www.racingpost.com/results/204/chantilly/2017-10-01/682788



It could pay to take heed of the effect of the draw ( first three drawn 3, 2, 1 ) on how horses ran in the Arc, the well beaten horses are probably much better than this race makes them look. The first 9 horses to cross the line were drawn 10 or lower and the only one missing from that top 10 was the pacemaker for the Japanese horse who raced prominently until fading .

diomed

I found out at midday that the Arc was not on my TV. I just watched it on Youtube now.
Enable is a class above and we are lucky to see her run. There may not be another like her for years.
I think they should retire her as she has done it all. The owner does not need the money.
Capri might not have recovered from the St Leger, but no excuses for any.

UrbanFret

Outstanding filly. trained by arguably the best in the business.

Gavin "shels"

Cloth Of Stars finished very strongly - one of the tracker for NTO

RivetingRoger

Battash is some beast

tryfix

WickIow Brave wrote: »

If there's any firm in the description then Ulysses is a huge price. How is he only 2 points shorter than Cracksman? I think he'll get a lot closer to Enable this time. No way should there be that much of a difference in price and I suspect Ulysses will shorten up quite a bit. Also how is OOSG shorter than Highland Reel? All depends on the ground I suppose. Winter would be a fascinating runner and the only other two I'd have on my mind would be Brametot and Waldgeist, whatever happened to Waldgeist?

He goes in the Gp 3 Cumberland Lodge Stakes at Ascot on Saturday, 11/10 fav at the minute, I think. The donkey Midterm also runs there and gets yet another chance to redeem himself.
http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/horses2/cards/card.sd?race_id=684031&r_date=2017-10-07#raceTabs=sc_

Could give us a clue or two about how the GP1 class 3yo colts compare to the older reasonably moderate group class horses.

Peintre Celebre

Timeform have Enable 137 after the win. Sounds a little high when they suddenly give the one timr gr.1 winner Cloth of Stars a 132 rating

diomed

Reading another forum a good point was made.
To illustrate the point I think it best to lay out the pedigrees.
The first three in the Arc were very closely related.

1) Enable .............. by Nathaniel (Galileo-Magnificent Style) ....... out of Concentric (Sadler's Wells-Apogee)
2) Cloth Of Stars .... by Sea The Stars (Cape Cross-Urban Sea) ... out of Strawberry Fledge (Kingmambo-Lingerie)
3) Ulysses ............. by Galileo (Sadler's Wells-Urban Sea) ....... out of Light Shift (Kingmambo-Lingerie)

deeks

If I'm reading that right the sires of the 2nd and 3rd are half brothers and the dams are full sisters?

Thats pretty remarkable I would have thought. Wonder why more of a deal was not made of it at the time?

Peintre Celebre

deeks wrote: »

If I'm reading that right the sires of the 2nd and 3rd are half brothers and the dams are full sisters?

Thats pretty remarkable I would have thought. Wonder why more of a deal was not made of it at the time?

Not often you'd see that alright

tryfix

deeks wrote: »

If I'm reading that right the sires of the 2nd and 3rd are half brothers and the dams are full sisters?

Thats pretty remarkable I would have thought. Wonder why more of a deal was not made of it at the time?

Yep and they're remarkably similar in that they both flopped in a very poor Derby, both have shown a lot of speed combined with 12f stamina and they've improved into GP1 winners at 4. It's also a great portent for their stallion careers, because they obviously come from stock that transmits class.

And the winner is by a grandson of Sadlers Wells out of a daughter of Sadlers Wells.

I' m pretty sure I've seen one or two winners this season bred put with the two half brothers Sea The Stars as sire and Galileo as dam sire. Jim Bolger went through a phase of trying that inbreed out.

tryfix

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Timeform have Enable 137 after the win. Sounds a little high when they suddenly give the one timr gr.1 winner Cloth of Stars a 132 rating

Not so sure where you are getting the 137 rating from, unless I'm making some mistake they have her on 134.

Enable became the first three-year-old filly from Britain/Ireland to win the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, and made it a fifth Group 1 win of the campaign in doing so. Her performance was every bit as striking as Treve’s first success as a three-year-old in 2013, and she is now Timeform rated 134 from 130p. Cloth of Stars (132 from 125) ran a massive career best to chase Enable home, having to pick his way through but unable to land any sort of blow on the winner once he got into the clear, while Ulysses – behind Enable in the King George earlier in the season – ran to his top-class best once again in third (remains rated 130), beating last year’s third Order of St George (remains on 128) into fourth. No plans have been announced for Enable next season, but hopefully she’ll be given the opportunity to emulate Treve and defend her title at Longchamp in 2018.

https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/features/sectionals/sectional-timing-debrief-arc-day-2017-2102017

She is staying on in training for next year too.

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Enable-to-stay-in-training&prid=186162