Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

Raoul Duke

Rosita wrote: »

It needs to be an argument because some people maintain that in the case of one David the mistakes matter and in the case of the other it doesn't. I don't understand that given that David the younger has two All Star awards in the past two years. Big rewards bring big expectations and big scrutiny.

Clifford's main "mistakes" were a few slightly inaccurate shots and 1 decision not to take a mark, which I don't consider that much of an error. We need a Clifford who backs himself 100%.
Moran's mistakes were decision errors. At really important moments in the game, when not under pressure. He didn't have proper respect for the importance of keeping possession.
All the mistakes "matter". It was a close game after all. Which mistakes will be repeated is the most important thing. Accuracy will probably be better in the future, especially when the conditions are dry. It's, however, nearly a certainty that Moran will continue to have moments of stupidity in most big games.

Poor_old_gill

Doesn’t every player have moments of stupidity in every game?

Rows Grower

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Doesn’t every player have moments of stupidity in every game?

Not Kerry players, not in football.

Especially not against Cork, and even more especially not in the championship.

Just ask Pat Spillane.

dobman88

Rosita wrote: »

It needs to be an argument because some people maintain that in the case of one David the mistakes matter and in the case of the other it doesn't. I don't understand that given that David the younger has two All Star awards in the past two years. Big rewards bring big expectations and big scrutiny.

Its already been mentioned that Moran has made these mistakes consistently for years. There is no argument. Clifford missed a few handy kicks, probably (hopefully) wont happen again too often. And if he is still there when hes 32 making the same mistakes and missing handy kicks consistently then he will be correctly spoken about the same way as Moran is being discussed now.

Not sure I can simplify it any more for you.

Raoul Duke

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Doesn’t every player have moments of stupidity in every game?

True, maybe it's just Moran's moments, where he balloons the ball as far as he can kick it, stand out more than someone who runs into a cul-de-sac, for example. Both aren't being careful enough of possession.

DDC1990

Reading in the Kerry's Eye online that Peter Keane had a fall on Carrauntoohil yesterday and dislocated his shoulder.

Awful few days for the man. Hope he has a quick recovery.

kerryjack

WTF was he doing up a mountain yesterday and the ****ty weather we are having and the hospitals full and I thought you were only supposed to exercise 5 km from your home. I like hill walking myself but I leave carrauntoohill for the summer. He has made some really bad decisions in the last week.

Rosita

Raoul Duke wrote: »

Clifford's main "mistakes" were a few slightly inaccurate shots and 1 decision not to take a mark, which I don't consider that much of an error. We need a Clifford who backs himself 100%.

Backing yourself 100% is one of those things that sounds great but is dubious. Is a mistake okay because you "backed yourself"? And we are not talking about a huge decision when you get a free twenty yards out. I am not expecting him to pass it to someone. It's a simply matter of execution. And if he misses a relatively easy chance it should be acknowledged. And yes in a close game they are significant errors. I don't think it's fair that one player should have his career assassinated while another who mistakes, if avoided, could have won the game for Kerry hardly merits mention.

Rosita

dobman88 wrote: »

Not sure I can simplify it any more for you.

It's not a question of simplification. It's a very simple argument. That's the problem with it.

dobman88

Rosita wrote: »

It's not a question of simplification. It's a very simple argument. That's the problem with it.

You're the only one arguing the point tho. Nobody has disagreed with you on Clifford. He had a shocker.

kerryjack

In fairness to Clifford he was only inches away from glory. If that goal shot went in they would be still talking about it today. Was it the great p o se that said your only inches away from a pat on the back and a kick up the arse.

BENDYBINN

kerryjack wrote: »

WTF was he doing up a mountain yesterday and the ****ty weather we are having and the hospitals full and I thought you were only supposed to exercise 5 km from your home. I like hill walking myself but I leave carrauntoohill for the summer. He has made some really bad decisions in the last week.

You know what paidi said about Kerry supporters...........If I was the kerry manager I’d be going up a mountain as well and stayin there.....especially after Sunday.

kerryjack

Would love to see one of the O Se, Darragh, Mark or Thomas back in the kerry set up of all the alIreland victories in the last 50 years, in my lifetime there was an O Se involved.

BPKS

kerryjack wrote: »

Would love to see one of the O Se, Darragh, Mark or Thomas back in the kerry set up of all the alIreland victories in the last 50 years, in my lifetime there was an O Se involved.

Well Darragh didn't do too well with the Under 21s did he?

Marc is dipping his toe into club management and is a live contender to be the next minor manager.

Tomas is a Cork man now. More likely to help out his mate Billy than give up a handy TV gig to give a bit back to Kerry.

The White Feather

DDC1990 wrote: »

Reading in the Kerry's Eye online that Peter Keane had a fall on Carrauntoohil yesterday and dislocated his shoulder.

Awful few days for the man. Hope he has a quick recovery.

Probably lost in the shuffle of the Kerry defeat (while as a Corkman I was celebrating) I thought it was class of Peter Keane to do an interview on RTE straight away wishing us the best.

Whether or not he should stay on, I think it must have been incredibly hard to do that interview and I was surprised he did it. A small thing but something that just stuck with me. I hope he recovers well from his fall and is back soon at what ever he wants to do.

Poor_old_gill

kerryjack wrote: »

Would love to see one of the O Se, Darragh, Mark or Thomas back in the kerry set up of all the alIreland victories in the last 50 years, in my lifetime there was an O Se involved.

I know little about Tomas or Marc's management skills but I do know that the player's opinion of Darragh was very low when he was the under 21 manager.

dobman88

Is there any word locally about club finals being played? Up here in Meath we have been given a provisional date of Feb 2021 for a county junior b final we got into. The club at home, Gneeveguilla, are in the Junior final after coming out the right side of 2 close contests with Ballymac and Fossa. We were actually nearly dead against Fossa when Clifford rattled off 1-2 without reply late in the game before a couple of defensive mistakes let us in for 2 handy goals.

One good thing about covid was all them games being streamed so hopefully that is kept up from now on

An Ciarraioch

Slightly odd for the hurling season to be longer than the football one, but hopefully the lads can do the business this afternoon at the first time of asking.

An Ciarraioch

Almost a carbon copy of the league final, as the home side hit us for two early goals.

An Ciarraioch

3-7 to 0-5 now.

An Ciarraioch

If Conway hadn't missed the penalty, could have been a different game, but 3-9 to 1-6 nearing HT.

awaywithyou

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If Conway hadn't missed the penalty, could have been a different game, but 3-9 to 1-6 nearing HT.

ud think the Messi of hurling would at least hit the target....

Kerrydude1981

Better second half performance but Antrim had the work done in the first half,

All down to next weekend now against Carlow

D'Agger

BPKS wrote: »

Tomas is a Cork man now. More likely to help out his mate Billy than give up a handy TV gig to give a bit back to Kerry.

You reckon he owes Kerry?

Poor_old_gill

BPKS wrote: »

Well Darragh didn't do too well with the Under 21s did he?

Marc is dipping his toe into club management and is a live contender to be the next minor manager.

Tomas is a Cork man now. More likely to help out his mate Billy than give up a handy TV gig to give a bit back to Kerry.

What an odd statement.

He works & lives with his family in Cork.
He gave us about 15 years of his life - maybe he wants to prioritise his family & professional career now.

awaywithyou

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

What an odd statement.

He works & lives with his family in Cork.
He gave us about 15 years of his life - maybe he wants to prioritise his family & professional career now.

with the exception of his severe criticism of Kerry on the Sunday Game after Cork game.... Tomas does seem in general to have more of an interest in Cork football than Kerry football...

kerryjack

Where were these guys training were they training indoors or on astroturf or what Kerry are gone soft nice lads that you would like to see your daughter coming up the drive with. Our under 6s coach likes to get out on a bit of grass when he can. Problem now is people in charge now don't like to see pitches cut up.

Rows Grower

Jesus Christ lads Cork bate Kerry, get over yerselve's for the love of God.

kerryjack

Rows Grower wrote: »

Jesus Christ lads Cork bate Kerry, get over yerselve's for the love of God.

Well it called the kerry gaa discussion forum and we are having a discussion on kerry football. So maybe its yourself that should give over yourself.

Rows Grower

kerryjack wrote: »

Well it called the kerry gaa discussion forum and we are having a discussion on kerry football. So maybe its yourself that should give over yourself.

That's a fair point actually, carry on there lads, my apologies.