Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

Benildus

The East Kerry Board would not be the Crokes biggest fans so they'd love any opportunity to get a dig in.

In other EK matters, the Crokes - Fossa Minor final should be a cracker - set for 2nd December

Bass Reeves

It is not ideal either way. There is another angle I often think it is unfair on teams where one team is holding up a competition as they are involved in another competition. It is tough on the team/ teams waiting whereby they have to keep training with no games while the other team can play away and it is easy for them to keep players fit and focused.

DDC1990

Crokes have 3 full teams on the go. It's a pity they couldn't pick a combination of those players and fulfilled the fixture at least. Not fair on Legion to be waiting around all year for the Crokes either.

However the Club Championship is an important competition, and the East Kerry board could have made an exception.

No winners out of this, even Legion who play the final with no games played.

Same As

By all accounts, Crokes players were happy to play. Decision was taken by management/'executive'.

wonga77

SK board made an allowance for Dromid and have done so in the past for other clubs, I'm not sure why the EK board couldn't do the same for Crokes. At this stage of the year, another 2 weeks isn't going to make any difference to players anyway. Legion in a final without kicking a ball? Even if they win, what good is it to them, its kinda devalued now as it is. Btw when did they last win an EK title?

Kerrydude1981

DDC1990 wrote: »

Crokes have 3 full teams on the go. It's a pity they couldn't pick a combination of those players and fulfilled the fixture at least. Not fair on Legion to be waiting around all year for the Crokes either.

However the Club Championship is an important competition, and the East Kerry board could have made an exception.

No winners out of this, even Legion who play the final with no games played.

Ya the B team has will be playing Division Three football next year,they have some talented young players coming through,surely as you said a mix of the teams would have given the Legion a rattle

keane2097

From that POV then Crokes are entitled to stand their ground and say we want to play a full team in that competition.

Both sides were probably in a position where not backing down was justified.

Match being played with a Crokes B team would be preferable to no match in the end obviously.

wonga77

Im sure Legion would have preferred a game. Considering how delayed it has got anyway its a pity Firies were put out. They would have had plenty time to play Legion since the county junior final

Benildus

wonga77 wrote: »

Im sure Legion would have preferred a game. Considering how delayed it has got anyway its a pity Firies were put out. They would have had plenty time to play Legion since the county junior final

why were Firies put out?

wonga77

Benildus wrote: »

why were Firies put out?

For refusing to play Legion a week before their county final against Dromid. Or so the story goes anyway

Boom__Boom

wonga77 wrote: »

For refusing to play Legion a week before their county final against Dromid. Or so the story goes anyway

Yup that's what I heard as well.

Bass Reeves

keane2097 wrote: »

From that POV then Crokes are entitled to stand their ground and say we want to play a full team in that competition.

Both sides were probably in a position where not backing down was justified.

Match being played with a Crokes B team would be preferable to no match in the end obviously.

The problem allowing team/ clubs dictating when games are played is that competitions drag on. You then have team managers that want to control when and if players play. Managers seem to have a mortal fear of a player getting injured in a match like this but it can happen at training as well.

In Crokes case surly they could have fielded a strong team with players outside the starting 15 and players from other panels. As well every manager knows who is injury prone and who is not.

It us the same with county management having extended panels all year long. Players not involved in matches or on match day panels should be released to play with clubs

keane2097

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The problem allowing team/ clubs dictating when games are played is that competitions drag on. You then have team managers that want to control when and if players play. Managers seem to have a mortal fear of a player getting injured in a match like this but it can happen at training as well.

In Crokes case surly they could have fielded a strong team with players outside the starting 15 and players from other panels. As well every manager knows who is injury prone and who is not.

It us the same with county management having extended panels all year long. Players not involved in matches or on match day panels should be released to play with clubs

I totally agree that Crokes or other clubs shouldn't be allowed to dictate competition schedules, totally agree that Crokes could have fielded a team that would be at the very least competitive and totally agree that club and county management often act the maggot with regard to player availability.

Having said that, I think it's easy to argue from Crokes POV that they want to play their best team in this competition. It's fairly reasonable not to want to pick a full team a week before playing Nemo in a Munster final. Then I think it's fair enough for them not to back down either by fielding a second team.

It's an open question whether not picking guys a week before a game because you're worried about them getting injured is totally reasonable admittedly.

If it was Strand Road I'd be saying **** the district match, but then again we wouldn't have a panel to fulfill the fixture without our first team.

DDC1990

keane2097 wrote:

If it was Strand Road I'd be saying **** the district match, but then again we wouldn't have a panel to fulfill the fixture without our first team.

Don't worry, Strand Road haven't a hope of being in this position!

wonga77

Are Crokes entering a C team in division 5 next year? I had heard before that if their B team got to division 3 then they would be eligible to put another team into 5. Or that might have just been rumours.
Either way, there's not many teams in the county that could put out a second string side as strong as them, they have serious numbers to pick from

Kerrydude1981

East Kerry Board should just copy the North Kerry Board

Go with the flow and have a bumper crowd at the the final at Xmas time

Even though this years North Kerry Final is down to be played the 10th of December so that is early for them

Semi Finals are

Ballyduff V Listowel Emmets

Brosna V Ballydonoghue who drew last week

ciarriaithuaidh

I have limited sympathy for Crokes here when they can field a 2nd team (including players who have played at county level) that can get out of division 4. The O'Donoghue cup is a sideshow for them compared to Munster and AI Club, why not put out the 2nd team and be done with it?

It's late enough in the year as it is so I agree with East Kerry board pushing on here. Can't hold competition up for 3 weeks for Crokes in this situation.

Same As

I suppose the EK board have to keep some consistency with their decisions given the precedent set for Firies etc and to not be seen as giving different strokes for different folks.

As an aside, 14 of their starting 15 vs Clonmel have played inter-county (minor, u21 or senior) at some level for Kerry.

Fr Tod Umptious

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

East Kerry Board should just copy the North Kerry Board

Go with the flow and have a bumper crowd at the the final at Xmas time

Even though this years North Kerry Final is down to be played the 10th of December so that is early for them

Semi Finals are

Ballyduff V Listowel Emmets

Brosna V Ballydonoghue who drew last week

Don't worry, a few draws and a few waterlogged pitches and it will be played some afternoon between Christmas and New Year with as you say a bumper crowd.

ciarriaithuaidh

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

East Kerry Board should just copy the North Kerry Board

Go with the flow and have a bumper crowd at the the final at Xmas time

Even though this years North Kerry Final is down to be played the 10th of December so that is early for them

Semi Finals are

Ballyduff V Listowel Emmets

Brosna V Ballydonoghue who drew last week

North Kerry championship games are being streamed live on youtube these days...truly a marvellous age we live in!

Kerrydude1981

Best of luck to Clanmaurice today in the Junior Club Camogie final against Kilmessan of Meath

DDC1990

Crokes well beaten in the end. Really poor it sounds like.

The_Honeybadger

Some win by an Gaeltacht, dominated from start to finish although it seems that the opposition were poor.

Surprised to see crokes beaten but maybe it’s no harm, Eamon can have a look at the likes of White, Burns and maybe even Casey during the league now as they won’t be tied up with the club.

DDC1990

mickeyk wrote:

Surprised to see crokes beaten but maybe it’s no harm, Eamon can have a look at the likes of White, Burns and maybe even Casey during the league now as they won’t be tied up with the club.

And most importantly Shane Murphy.

The_Honeybadger

DDC1990 wrote: »

And most importantly Shane Murphy.

Absolutely, saw him several times this year and his kickouts were perfect, although he wasn’t overly pressured by the opposition. Would be very interested to see him between the sticks for Kerry, he looks the real deal.

Same As

Murphy is almost being touted as the second coming of christ himself. Pulled off 2 excellent saves today, but numerous kick-outs went astray today, as they have done in numerous other games. I'm happy that he won't be club-tied so he has a chance to prove himself at inter-county level.

ShamoBuc

Benildus wrote: »

Crokes by 6 or 7 points I reckon.

Nemo aren't great, the standard of club football in Cork is poor at present.

:eek:


All jokes aside, a most enjoyable game. I felt Nemo would have a right good cut off Crokes, but I didn't think they would beat them as convincingly as they did.
Crokes keeper really kept them in it in the first half with 2 great stops when Nemo were running Crokes ragged.
Luke Connolly ran the show for Nemo, Crokes couldnt handle him, 10 points a great tally.
Fair to say they should have won by more than 5.

DDC1990

Same As wrote:

Murphy is almost being touted as the second coming of christ himself. Pulled off 2 excellent saves today, but numerous kick-outs went astray today, as they have done in numerous other games. I'm happy that he won't be club-tied so he has a chance to prove himself at inter-county level.

I don't think he's the second coming, but it will be good to get him playing in the League and like you say, get a chance to prove himself.

The_Honeybadger

Same As wrote: »

Murphy is almost being touted as the second coming of christ himself. Pulled off 2 excellent saves today, but numerous kick-outs went astray today, as they have done in numerous other games. I'm happy that he won't be club-tied so he has a chance to prove himself at inter-county level.

Bit of an exaggeration there, he has been very good any time I’ve seen him and it has been a problem position for years. Let’s see how he does if / when he gets his chance

wackokid

Very hard to play against a low sun. O Neill 2017

Bass Reeves

Same As wrote: »

Murphy is almost being touted as the second coming of christ himself. Pulled off 2 excellent saves today, but numerous kick-outs went astray today, as they have done in numerous other games. I'm happy that he won't be club-tied so he has a chance to prove himself at inter-county level.

Kickouts will be different next year. The ball must pass the 21 meter line as far as I know and cannot be collected inside it. This will limit the area the ball can be kicked into so teams will have to have a long kickouts strategy as well as a short kickout. It may well be that kicking long and accepting a 50/50 contest will need to be put in place by teams as the risk of kicking into an area 20-40 metres from own goal may be too risky

bruschi

mickeyk wrote: »

Absolutely, saw him several times this year and his kickouts were perfect, although he wasn’t overly pressured by the opposition. Would be very interested to see him between the sticks for Kerry, he looks the real deal.

Watched the Crokes Nemo game on Sunday and his kickouts were awful. Numerous times he completely missed his target with accuracy and also with distance. I was actually surprised at how poor the kickouts were, and was a mjor factor in the first half points for Nemo. Pulled off a couple of good saves, but they also came from his kickouts being won uncontested by Nemo. Wouldnt know him or see him much, but you'd hope that was just a one off so if his kickouts are usually good.

D'Agger

bruschi wrote: »

Watched the Crokes Nemo game on Sunday and his kickouts were awful. Numerous times he completely missed his target with accuracy and also with distance. I was actually surprised at how poor the kickouts were, and was a mjor factor in the first half points for Nemo. Pulled off a couple of good saves, but they also came from his kickouts being won uncontested by Nemo. Wouldnt know him or see him much, but you'd hope that was just a one off so if his kickouts are usually good.

Was at the game and it was the same for both keepers - some poor kickouts. In the first half I thought Nemo would get penned in solely because of their keeper, then Crokes had similar.

On the whole, he was fine from kickouts, nothing that can't be worked on. He made two phenomenal saves to keep Crokes in the game, he's worth a crack in the league for that alone.

Gavin White too should be given a shot - drove Crokes on when required. Daithi Casey actually played poorly by his standards, a testament to Nemos half back line that none of them stood out, yet Crokes were quietened here.

keane2097

Murphy is good from long range frees too from what I've seen.

We have some amount of half back options. Would be nice to get some full backs or half forwards to come along.

John1010

Any new guys likely to get a run in the league e.g David O'Leary Crokes, David Clifford ?

seligehgit

That was a really touching documentary on the great Micko tonight,very enjoyable.

Hermy

seligehgit wrote: »

That was a really touching documentary on the great Micko tonight,very enjoyable.

I'm not much of a GAA fan but have to agree - that was a great programme.

padd b1975

seligehgit wrote: »

That was a really touching documentary on the great Micko tonight,very enjoyable.

Very enjoyable but sad to see how frail he has got in recent years.

wonga77

I meet him every few days and his decline is very noticeable, especially since his wife passed away a few years back.
He certainly achieved a lot in his time and would still chat football to you till the cows come home. A real gentleman

Kerrydude1981

Very good interview with ex Kerry hurler John Griffin

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/the-john-tweek-griffin-interview-every-young-irish-person-deserves-the-opportunity-to-play-hurling-465419.html

PeterCasey

padd b1975 wrote: »

Very enjoyable but sad to see how frail he has got in recent years.

Could not get over how frail he got great programe thought when he was out watching the young lads training it was touching. His son John is married to a neighbor of mine often spoke with Micko himself no time for lads drinking dirty beer as he would call it hinting at John.

NUTLEY BOY

Saw a recent repeat on TG4 of a 2013 documentary about Paidi O Se.
I found it absorbing.

Did anyone ever write an autobiography about Paidi O Se ?

BPKS

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

Saw a recent repeat on TG4 of a 2013 documentary about Paidi O Se.
I found it absorbing.

Did anyone ever write an autobiography about Paidi O Se ?

Yes. Paidi O Se wrote his autobiography strangely enough.

Radio5

Donal Keenan wrote a biography since Paidi's death - Paidi 'A Big Life'.

Not much talk here about the NFL with the visit of Donegal just over a week away. Judging by media reports on the number of absentees, it will be a very new Kerry team.

Boom__Boom

List of who is unavailable for the next while from Eoghan Cormican on Twitter



Eanna O'Conchuir and Brian O'Beaglaoich are unavailable due to their involvement with An Ghaeltacht in the intermediate semi-final (and possibly final) and Donaghy is still playing basketball.

I'd assume none of the lads in the Medium Term category will be back for the first batch of 3 games in 3 weeks - Donegal at home, Mayo away and Monaghan away. Might make for a tricky enough league, especially if there is much more in the way of injuries/knocks. Lots of the younger prospects will surely get a chance, especially in terms of the subs bench. Could be a bit of chopping and changing in terms of positions in the early games until the options improve. Looks like it will be the backs and midfield are the areas most affected. Also from last year's panel Bryan Sheehan has retires and Johnathon Lyne is no longer part of the panel.

Donegal are missing a few of their bigger names - the big one being Michael Murphy but I don't think they have the same volume of players missing. They also are in the semis of the McKenna Cup versus Armagh which is due to be played this weekend assuming the weather agrees (been cancelled twice already due to weather conditions) I'd imagine the team named for that won't be too far off the team for the Kerry game.

Overall I'd be surprised enough if Kerry ended up in a league final this year.

The_Honeybadger

We have Dublin Mayo and Monaghan away, so there is almost no chance of making the final this year I would think. If we get a good look at some of the younger panelist’s and stay in division one it’s a good league as far as I am concerned.

Kerrydude1981

Going to be interesting to see how we fair out this year in the league,there has been little or no noise about the panel over the last few months, no word on challenge matches played.

brocbrocach

Boom__Boom wrote: »

List of who is unavailable for the next while from Eoghan Cormican on Twitter


Eanna O'Conchuir and Brian O'Beaglaoich are unavailable due to their involvement with An Ghaeltacht in the intermediate semi-final (and possibly final) and Donaghy is still playing basketball.

I wonder if that means Cathal Ó Lúing isn't on the panel this year? Thought he had a big year ahead of him this year maybe.

homerjay2005

19 players unavailable??!:eek::eek::eek:

wonder what is the panel for sunday then?

Same As

Team I'd like to see on Sunday taking into account the 19/20 absentees...

Shane Murphy

Shane Enright Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan

Paul Murphy Andrew Barry Gavin Crowley

Brendan O Sullivan Jack Barry

Daithi Casey Sean O Shea Stephen O Brien

James O Donoghue Paul Geaney Jack Savage

Our Defence is extremely threadbare for the first game anyway, not even sure who they'll have on the bench.