World Boxing Super Series Thread

walshb

Rob Brant

Koala Sunshine wrote: »

This coming from the guy who thinks present Federer is just as good as 2006 Federer. You were told to watch back Federer in 2006, but dismissed that. Why should people watch Groves in 2013?

Nobody has to watch anyone.........

Groves to me in 2013 was sharper, faster, more energetic, quicker with feet and overall more snappy and a better puncher....

Eubank would have bee well beaten (likely stopped) by Groves from a few years ago..

I am not alone in thinking that Groves has lost a step or two in recent fights/years...

If I was to put my finger on it he just looks sluggish and lethargic compared to a few years ago.

Federer? head on over to the tennis forum and knock yourself out...

walshb

Rob Brant

pac_man wrote: »

The basic comment I don't get. The only one who was basic last night was Eubank.

Agreed, Eubank was bloody basic. I just felt that George should really have dealt with him a lot better. Hence why for me Groves was quite basic. He made a meal of it. Look back at the fight, there was very very little clean shots landed by GG throughout. Far too much spoiling and holding and dragging going on....

I don't see how one can praise Groves' performance. Both looked very average to me as regards elite level boxers......GG got the win. Praise maybe for that. Next to not real praise for his ring performance.....bear in mind this is my judging this based off these lads supposedly being the best SMWs on the planet. I am not judging them on being novices or start out pros. I expect better.

I absolutely believe that GG from a few years ago would have been sharper and faster and tagging Eubank with more accuracy and venom.....

You mentioned the Groves-DeGale match from 2011. That was an excellent boxing display from GG. Sharp, fast, energetic, full of bounce and spite on his shots. That was GG a little before his best....Eubank be lucky to go 5 rds with that Groves. And DeGale back then a far more potent opponent than Eubank.

That did not happen the other night, because he was not near as sharp or fast, and not a sniff of a decent inside game to be seen. Reading some of the posts here you would think that GG put a beating on Eubank and pasted him. He did not. A few rds could have went either way in that fight.

ThunderCat

walshb wrote: »

Agreed, Eubank was bloody basic. I just felt that George should really have dealt with him a lot better. Hence why for me Groves was quite basic. He made a meal of it. Look back at the fight, there was very very little clean shots landed by GG throughout. Far too much spoiling and holding and dragging going on....

I don't see how one can praise Groves' performance. Both looked very average to me as regards elite level boxers......GG got the win. Praise maybe for that. Next to not real praise for his ring performance.....bear in mind this is my judging this based off these lads supposedly being the best SMWs on the planet. I am not judging them on being novices or start out pros. I expect better.

I absolutely believe that GG from a few years ago would have been sharper and faster and tagging Eubank with more accuracy and venom.....

You mentioned the Groves-DeGale match from 2011. That was an excellent boxing display from GG. Sharp, fast, energetic, full of bounce and spite on his shots. That was GG a little before his best....Eubank be lucky to go 5 rds with that Groves. And DeGale back then a far more potent opponent than Eubank.

That did not happen the other night, because he was not near as sharp or fast, and not a sniff of a decent inside game to be seen. Reading some of the posts here you would think that GG put a beating on Eubank and pasted him. He did not. A few rds could have went either way in that fight.

I think that was very good strategy on Groves part and was intentional as it nullified Jr's work on the inside and allowed Groves to get out from it and box him at range again where is exactly where he wanted him.

walshb

Rob Brant

ThunderCat wrote: »

I think that was very good strategy on Groves part and was intentional as it nullified Jr's work on the inside and allowed Groves to get out from it and box him at range again where is exactly where he wanted him.

Fair enough....

I just think GGs is limited on the inside....

His performance as an elite was a grade C- at best!

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

FWIW I agree with Walsh that GG wasn't great either. It's just that Eubank was terrible.
A more precise and aggressive fighter would have stopped Eubank, he was so open to counters when rushing in with the wild swings.

walshb

Rob Brant

normanoffside wrote: »

FWIW I agree with Walsh that GG wasn't great either. It's just that Eubank was terrible.
A more precise and aggressive fighter would have stopped Eubank, he was so open to counters when rushing in with the wild swings.

I think so.

Maybe I should watch again, but reading online it sounded like GG put on a boxing clinic....

Well, I don't know what clinic these people are used to, but for me it was of the very basic type.

Eubank had very little to offer on offense. Groves in his heyday would have punished him and buzzed him way more. I am convinced of this...

GG for me showed too much hesitancy and respect for him, which resulted in a very awkward and disjointed and sloppy display.

Johner

It wasn’t a clinic but it was a very solid performance. Did what he had to do. Eubank Jr is very limited.

FTA69

Avni Yildirim

For once I agree with Walsh. Against Froch the first time he was putting together serious offense against a far better and more dangerous opponent, he was using that stinging jab and working off the back off it to land crosses and hooks. We saw a few flashes of that on Saturday but primarily his countering was very limited and he looked almost nervous throwing it at times.

I like Groves, I do rate him but I don't think he's as effective as he once was. Maybe I'm talking nonsense though, and he just took the easiest and safest way out but I do hope that's not his limit because he won't get away with that craic against better opposition who can put together an offense.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Braehmer has pulled out of the fight at the weekend according to reports

walshb

Rob Brant

normanoffside wrote: »

Braehmer has pulled out of the fight at the weekend according to reports

And the quest for Smith to fight a credible opponent continues!

RezwoK

Avni Yildirim

Can't believe how easy Smith gets it to be honest! Some luck! Hard as it is to say this, but I think Eubank would have beat him!

Nieky Holzken will be replacing Braehmer, he's 13 and 0 with 10 KOs and has 91 wins out of 105 fights in Kickboxing/Muay Thai (former Glory world champ and European Muay Thai champ). Pretty disappointing replacement if you ask me. Seen some clips of him where he clearly has no head movement and has awful footwork. Joe Gallagher will be delighted haha

walshb

Rob Brant

RezwoK wrote: »

Can't believe how easy Smith gets it to be honest! Some luck! Hard as it is to say this, but I think Eubank would have beat him!

Nieky Holzken will be replacing Braehmer, he's 13 and 0 with 10 KOs and has 91 wins out of 105 fights in Kickboxing/Muay Thai (former Glory world champ and European Muay Thai champ). Pretty disappointing replacement if you ask me. Seen some clips of him where he clearly has no head movement and has awful footwork. Joe Gallagher will be delighted haha

Looking at Eubank from the other night he won't beat anyone worth a damn!

RezwoK

Avni Yildirim

walshb wrote: »

Looking at Eubank from the other night he won't beat anyone worth a damn!

Maybe you're right! BUT Smith is bang average in my opinion. There has to be a reason his team and promotor won't match him in a 50/50 fight...

RezwoK

Avni Yildirim

RezwoK wrote: »

Maybe you're right! BUT Smith is bang average in my opinion. There has to be a reason his team and promotor won't match him in a 50/50 fight...

Actually I take that back, I think Eubank would be favorited to beat Smith

walshb

Rob Brant

RezwoK wrote: »

Maybe you're right! BUT Smith is bang average in my opinion. There has to be a reason his team and promotor won't match him in a 50/50 fight...

Smith for me has still to prove himself. I said the same for Eubank.

Smith I reckon would be physically too challenging for Eubank. Eubank would have a puncher's chance. He's not a massive hitter, but still a chance.

Smith has height, reach, range and good hard straight technical shots that I think would keep Eubank very honest.

RezwoK

Avni Yildirim

walshb wrote: »

Smith for me has still to prove himself. I said the same for Eubank.

Smith I reckon would be physically too challenging for Eubank. Eubank would have a puncher's chance. He's not a massive hitter, but still a chance.

Smith has height, reach, range and good hard straight technical shots that I think would keep Eubank very honest.

I don't think his shots would keep Eubank honest enough. I think Smiths head movements really isn't good enough to withstand Eubanks Barrages (wild and sloppy as they are) and nothing in his career suggests to me that Smith has the ability to tie up and counter on the inside like Groves did. I can only see Smith covering up against the ropes with a high guard and possibly slipping the odd uppercut. Those Gallagher gym left hooks to the body are totally overrated too - they only look good against low level opposition which through Smiths and previously quiggs oposition, they have been pronounced.

I guess the problem is that we just don't know enough about Smith! Which at this stage raises suspicion.

Henno30

Rob Brant

ThunderCat

good video about the lead up to the fight, the fight and the aftermath with a lot of behind the scenes footage:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM9Fd8h1ZZM

SHOVELLER

Very similar to the Canelo v Chavez bout recently. The son of a legend fighting an established fighter and being completely out of his depth.
I suppose boxing along with other sports is based on hype but this was a con job. I would give him the last round but when the crowd are laughing at wild windmills no matter the weight class differential that is, like the Chavez effort, disrespecting this great sport.
Not a classic by any means but engaging and yes Groves could have done more but crucially he didn’t need to. Nullifying Eubank by holding, grabbing and tying him up is part of the game.
Doing his wrapping and having no trainer? Good lord. Senior’s body language in the press conference after said it all. He knows junior is not up to it and anyway its not exactly a tight relationship. IBO title is about as much as he’ll ever get. Sure he can bang but there’s so much more he’s missing.
Groves footwork and craft were superior and Eubank complaining after that he had been butted throughout was laughable considering that in one instance he clearly led with his head and should have been deducted a point.
Groves saying that he’s all talk and no substance was perfectly apt.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Is anyone going to watch tonight?
It's the least exciting fight of the whole super series IMO. I might just stick to the boxnation card.

Urindanger

Gassiev is some big puppy for 24 years old. The size of that neck.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Watching this in German but Smith is far from impressive. Wide open to right hands

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

I'm calling it now. Smith is Terrible

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

Braehmer would've beaten him tonight I think.

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

Smith has literally zero head movement. Really struggle to see how he lasts 12 with a puncher like Groves.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Morrison J wrote: »

Braehmer would've beaten him tonight I think.

I was all over that 10-1 on points bet if it had happened

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

normanoffside wrote: »

I was all over that 10-1 on points bet if it had happened

Such a shame he pulled out. Crazy odds.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Morrison J wrote: »

Smith has literally zero head movement. Really struggle to see how he lasts 12 with a puncher like Groves.

Don't tell anyone MJ, lets keep it quiet and get 3s/4s on Groves by KO

anthonyjmaher

Mike Perez

Anybody scoring this. I didn't expect Nieky to be still in it at this point. Looks like he's still well in it but he keeps eating jabs.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Anybody scoring this. I didn't expect Nieky to be still in it at this point. Looks like he's still well in it but he keeps eating jabs.

Smith 3-4 rounds up I reckon but I am not scoring it round by round. Absolutely dire fight compared to the other 3 WBSS semifinals

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

I can't imagine that ITV boxoffice got much revenue tonight.
Smith won against a scrappy B* level opponent. He looked weak and wide open to a right hand. His only weapons seem to be his size/reach and a decent jab. He didn't seem to push any pace so I'd also doubt his engine. I think Eubank beats him and Groves stops him inside 6.


* By B level I mean regional level at best. That Nicky guy would be lucky to win a British regional title IMO

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Groves going in for an operation on his shoulder and asking no the WBSS to postpone the final by a month.

dinorebel

Avni Yildirim

normanoffside wrote: »

Groves going in for an operation on his shoulder and asking no the WBSS to postpone the final by a month.

Think Smith injured his hand so he'll probably agree it's the Saurlands and TV companies who'll have the final say though.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Looks like they will postpone the SMW final going by this:
https://www.boxing247.com/press-boxing/wbss-ali-trophy-super/90858

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Usyk injured, Final postponed
https://worldboxingsuperseries.com/usyk-suffers-elbow-injury-cruiserweight-final-postponed/

Morrison J

Avni Yildirim

Seems too convenient to be true. Was just over three weeks till the scheduled fight date and they'd no venue announced.

Russians have probably come in with a big bid to host it. Bet it happens in a Russian stadium at the end of the summer. Saudi Arabia never made sense.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

Good News:
Bantamweights announced for next series including Tete, Burnett and Rodriguez (winner of Inoue vs McDonnell likely to follow)

Bad News:
If Groves is not ft for July then Eubank Jr will fill in for the SMW final.

RezwoK

Avni Yildirim

So Bantamweights and Super lightweights are in play for the next season but what’s the third weight?! They threw us a curveball there lads! Would love if it was light Middle - there’s some quality fights to be made there!

Johner

The bantamweight one is looking very good.

normanoffside

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Josh Taylor in the 140lb Tournament.

normanoffside

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Donaire has joined the Bantamweights. Bit of a surprise!!

DeusVolt

normanoffside wrote: »

Donaire has joined the Bantamweights. Bit of a surprise!!

Bet he misses weight moving down 2 divisions.

Gassiev-Usyk on ITV PPV. Would love to know what kind of figures they expect. Would it even do 5K buys?

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

DeusVolt wrote: »

Gassiev-Usyk on ITV PPV. Would love to know what kind of figures they expect. Would it even do 5K buys?

It's only a tenner. Bargain!

DeusVolt

normanoffside wrote: »

It's only a tenner. Bargain!

I agree but it is one for the hardcores so I see the buyrate being very low. It's my most anticipated fight of the year.

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

The fight of the year is just 5 days away.
Can’t wait for this one.

Johner

I can't wait for the bantanweight one, confirmed line up below. Hard to see past Inoue but it's going to be great! The draw is on this Friday.

Zolani Tete (RSA) 27–3–0 (WBO World Champion)
Ryan Burnett (IRL) 19–0–0 (WBA (Super) World Champion)
Emmanuel Rodríguez (PUR) 18–0–0 IBF World Champion
Naoya Inoue (JPN) 16–0–0 WBA (Regular) World Champion
Jason Moloney (AUS) 17–0–0
Nonito Donaire (PHI) 38–5–0
Juan Carlos Payano (DOM) 20–1–0
Mikhail Aloyan (RUS) 4-0-0

clubwelly

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

clubwelly wrote: »

FYP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1eY5WpfK38

normanoffside

Avni Yildirim

The interesting thing I took from the video is that Usyk seems to have ditched his old coach and is being self trained. He is being ‘advised’ in training by his old cuts man but seems very much in control of everything himself.

normanoffside

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140lb Line up complete

Kiryl Relikh
Anthony Yigit
Regis Prograis
Ivan Baranchyk
Josh Taylor
Eduard Troyanovsky
Ryan Martin
Terry Flanagan

Not as good as Bantams