dublin half marathon debacle

crisco10

Greybottle wrote: »

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Try this: https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.3491353,-6.2991666/53.3435818,-6.2848504/53.3429413,-6.2722271/53.3375604,-6.2651031/53.3396231,-6.2521641/53.3432103,-6.2589448/53.3524458,-6.2612836/53.3493263,-6.2698538/53.3526492,-6.3006733/53.3561266,-6.3159753/@53.356882,-6.3117978,13.5z/data=!4m42!4m41!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.257405!2d53.3363643!3s0x48670e98c1c9c41f:0xa92f2999b790e655!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m15!3m4!1m2!1d-6.276875!2d53.3477544!3s0x48670c2ed0842d4f:0xcd097d1f25b8549f!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2781907!2d53.3496714!3s0x48670c2e9f3455ab:0xd7138abb4126299c!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2896591!2d53.3495801!3s0x48670c33fcd99dd9:0x8c0c6ef1633d8684!1m10!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3037383!2d53.3569276!3s0x48670db4f0a44245:0x2038c59f60755eeb!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3116575!2d53.3609062!3s0x48670dae3bb2f0bd:0x256d40d8b28f934b!1m0!3e2

Covers most of the major sights and parks in the city. Start and finish in the Phoenix Park, so plenty of space for parking and after race events.

Starting at 9.00 the last walkers would clear O'Connell Bridge/Abbey St. within an hour and 15 minutes, so little disruption to Luas lines and Bus traffic. Run it on a Sunday like the 1916-2016 5 KM run last year and it could be a big success.

DCC and other groups could use it as a campaign over the summer months to get fit to do it. 21.2 Km is a very reachable target for everybody. It could become a mass event like the Womens Mini Marathon.

Nice idea, but that route is 13.1 KM on my google maps!

average_runner

hot buttered scones wrote: »

My guess is if they were able to get the road closures for a city race they'd surely have done so by now. But because I like messing around with maps - You could start in Fairview Park, then down to the Point, along the North Quays as far as Chapelizod, then back along the South Quays to Fairview Park. Or, same start down to the point, but then where the canal meets the river head all the way round the North Circular, cross at Islandbridge and follow the canal all the way to Samuel Beckett bridge and back up past the Point to Fairview Park to finish.

If we can close the roads for paddy's day, close the roads for 5k races in the city, close the roads for Ironman and the marathon we can do it for the half marathon

average_runner

rooneyjm wrote: »

I feel Irish people have become a shower of soft moaners. It was badly planned, granted, but the Tsunami of whinging is too much.
People will not get a train because they want to sit in their nice warm car, have a coffee, rock up 10min before the start. Since when are two bottles of water and refreshments at the end not enough for a half marathon. People pretending they were at deaths door in 17 degrees, I mean fcuk off.
People on FB giving out about a lack of jax roll, own your own sh1t, literally.
"I didn't get a banana", really how terrible, stop bitching and have an apple.

Considering the train is not near most people and that there is only one train which is 3 carriages in length, I don't think it was an option!!!

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

This is Ireland. People would still choose to drive. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Only proper metro, light rail or frequent heavy rail (S-Bahn type stuff) will get people out of their cars. Crappy diesel trains that go every 45 mins wont.

Problem is we don't have the population to keep Irish Rail running, I doubt we have the population for a a full metro system. At the moment the luas is slower than the bus on the red line alot of the times!

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Disagree with this. If a system is properly integrated then you've no problem getting to anywhere from anywhere. It's like that on the continent. London likewise. Sure in Moscow they have a circle line that goes around the outskirts of the city so you don't even have to go near the city centre. This "An Lár-ism" we have in Dublin is not standard practice in cities that know what they are doing.

The reason why we are so messed up is that we put civil servants in the government who don't have a clue. Teachers can take time off to come a TD for Fcuk sake and keep their other job so there is no gamble here.

That's going off topic and I am sorry.

Djoucer

What's with the calls for higher entry fees? Madness. Nothing to say the problems were caused by lack of money.

I remember when rock n roll first came along, people were shocked by the cost. And now we have people suggest it's the model to follow?

Wait and see what actually happened before hitting people in ther wallets to run around their own city.

Chivito550

robinph wrote: »

You can't really compare Dublin to London though, other than they both happen to be capital cities. It's also taken 100+ years for London to get the system it has, and it's still not got a whole lot connected to the south of the Thames. Dublin only started building tram lines 15 years or so ago and has a long way to go, it's also only a tiny fraction of the size.

Dublin had one of the most extensive tram networks in the world at the turn of the 20th century!! Idiot politicians removed the tracks!

Anyway, Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Nuremberg, Amsterdam, Brussels are all cities that are comparable with Dublin in terms of size and their transport systems are hugely extensive and integrated. So your excuses for our utter rubbish transport systems do not wash with me good sir.

average_runner

Djoucer wrote: »

What's with the calls for higher entry fees? Madness. Nothing to say the problems were caused by lack of money.

I remember when rock n roll first came along, people were shocked by the cost. And now we have people suggest it's the model to follow?

Wait and see what actually happened before hitting people in ther wallets to run around their own city.

People are saying they would pay the extra cost for a class race around the city, a proper city race.

RnR was class the first year, its now just a mickey mouse race that earns cash.

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

Problem is we don't have the population to keep Irish Rail running, I doubt we have the population for a a full metro system. At the moment the luas is slower than the bus on the red line alot of the times!

Posts like this is why we are in the dark ages. Look at Oslo. Same size population. 6 metro lines, 6 tram lines, and 5-6 commuter train lines, all integrated. So sick of Irish people using our size as an excuse and just accepting any auld sh1te. Are we that clueless about how public transport works on the continent?

dublin runner

Djoucer wrote:

I remember when rock n roll first came along, people were shocked by the cost. And now we have people suggest it's the model to follow?

Where did I say to follow the RnR model? Perhaps read my post again before boiling my argument down to that assertion.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Posts like this is why we are in the dark ages. Look at Oslo. Same size population. 6 metro lines, 6 tram lines, and 5-6 commuter train lines, all integrated. So sick of Irish people using our size as an excuse and just accepting any auld sh1te. Are we that clueless about how public transport works on the continent?

Is Oslo as spread out as Dublin though? You could have a good point but we make an arse of everything here, education, transport, health!!

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

Is Oslo as spread out as Dublin though? You could have a good point but we make an arse of everything here, education, transport, health!!

It's a pure myth that Dublin is a low density city. Oslo has 3,300 per sq kilometre for the metropolitan area. Dublin is slightly more.

Great comparison with Amsterdam here:

http://irishcycle.com/2015/11/03/is-dublin-a-low-density-city/

No, this density lark is another false claim used to try justify terrible infrastructure.

Your last point is more in line with why we don't have nice things. We couldn't organise a fart in a curry eating contest.

TFBubendorfer

average_runner wrote: »

Is Oslo as spread out as Dublin though? You could have a good point but we make an arse of everything here, education, transport, health!!

Oslo's area is bigger than Dublin's. Another example is Vienna, not much bigger than Dublin but 5 underground lines and more buses and trams than I can count.

Dublin's size is an absolute shocker of an excuse. It reminds me of the argument that went on for years that Ireland was too small to have motorways. Same excuse, same utter nonsense.

Sorry - getting carried away and totally off-topic. When you've lived in a different place for long enough you tend to get fed up with the lack of infrastructure in Ireland as well as the stupid excuses that come with it.

The Muppet

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Sorry - getting carried away and totally off-topic. When you've lived in a different place for long enough you tend to get fed up with the lack of infrastructure in Ireland as well as the stupid excuses that come with it.

True , I ran the great north run in Newcastle this year, 56000 entrants and I had no delay driving to the finish line on the morning , parking, getting a shuttle bus back to the start and then exiting the car park after the race.

Chivito550

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Oslo's area is bigger than Dublin's. Another example is Vienna, not much bigger than Dublin but 5 underground lines and more buses and trams than I can count.

Dublin's size is an absolute shocker of an excuse. It reminds me of the argument that went on for years that Ireland was too small to have motorways. Same excuse, same utter nonsense.

Sorry - getting carried away and totally off-topic. When you've lived in a different place for long enough you tend to get fed up with the lack of infrastructure in Ireland as well as the stupid excuses that come with it.

Definitely not off topic. Dreadful public transport and car dependency of the Irish people was a big cause for this shambolic half marathon.

As far as I'm concerned the more disasters like the Dublin Half Marathon the better. It might wake up the Irish people as to the importance of investment in infrastructure, and we might see some change. Frankly we are a third world country in terms of transport infrastructure.

I really think a lot of Irish people don't really understand how bad we have it. We just seem to accept what we have as if it is normal. We also have clowns who drive into the city centre in single occupied cars, who live near commuter train lines, yet moan about the traffic, as if the city centre roads should be reserved for them only.

It's only when you live abroad that you really get how bad we have it. Moving home from Melbourne, the hardest adjustment I had to make was going from 28 trams lines and 15 train lines to Dublin Bus. No question about it.

average_runner

The Muppet wrote: »

True , I ran the great north run in Newcastle this year, 56000 entrants and I had no delay driving to the finish line on the morning , parking, getting a shuttle bus back to the start and then exiting the car park after the race.

Because we have the Phoenix Park here, the council always takes the easy route and put everything in there. We never use the city to it's max to promote it, except for the marathon.

zulutango

I suppose this thread has gone off topic but at the same time the points regarding infrastructure are relevant to the debacle at the weekend. I've turned down jobs in Dublin repeatedly simply because the infrastructure is so poor and getting around so difficult, and hence quality of life is not great as a result. When I did live there, I loved to run in the Phoenix Park. It was the real saving grace for our capital city, from my point of view at least. What a wonderful amenity Dublin has so near the centre, especially for runners, but it's not used particularly well because it's so hard for most of the population to get there. It beggars belief.

Chivito550

zulutango wrote: »

I suppose this thread has gone off topic but at the same time the points regarding infrastructure are relevant to the debacle at the weekend. I've turned down jobs in Dublin repeatedly simply because the infrastructure is so poor and getting around so difficult, and hence quality of life is not great as a result. When I did live there, I loved to run in the Phoenix Park. It was the real saving grace for our capital city, from my point of view at least. What a wonderful amenity Dublin has so near the centre, especially for runners, but it's not used particularly well because it's so hard for most of the population to get there. It beggars belief.

Sure look where the National Sports Centre is located. You'd need councilling after trying to make your way out there by public transport!

SeeMoreBut

The county council have to get behind these races to have them in the city which I don't believe they are.

DCM should be finishing on O'Connell street not Merrion Square. It is have the race but cause the least amount of hassle.

Dublin Half should be in the city and on the fastest possible route.

Nothing to add which hasn't been said already about Saturday.

Birdie Num Num

Chivito550 wrote: »

Sure look where the National Sports Centre is located. You'd need councilling after trying to make your way out there by public transport!

Actually as the crow flys it's less than a km from a train station to the XC course. I have ran it but the problem is an access gate. A lot of potential here. We are lacking in infrastructure correct, it's improving but the main issue is getting people to opt for public transport. I think a lot of people are quite blind to how convenient it is in many instances. The other issue is those responsible for delivering the services don't see the potential, don't care or are incapable of joining the dots.

Birdie Num Num

SeeMoreBut wrote: »

The county council have to get behind these races to have them in the city which I don't believe they are.

DCM should be finishing on O'Connell street not Merrion Square. It is have the race but cause the least amount of hassle.

Dublin Half should be in the city and on the fastest possible route.

Nothing to add which hasn't been said already about Saturday.

They do. The marathon is no longer called the Dublin 'City' marathon. Fingal were very much behind the Half. Don't know if it was just a case of their flags fluttering in the wind or if they had bods on the ground too!

Chivito550

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Actually as the crow flys it's less than a km from a train station to the XC course. I have ran it but the problem is an access gate. A lot of potential here. We are lacking in infrastructure correct, it's improving but the main issue is getting people to opt for public transport. I think a lot of people are quite blind to how convenient it is in many instances. The other issue is those responsible for delivering the services don't see the potential, don't care or are incapable of joining the dots.

What are the short cut directions from Castleknock Station? Never been able to figure it out through Google Maps. Always seems to be a wall or something blocking the most direct way.

Though it's the track I'd be going to. Not sure exactly where the XC course is in relation to that.

ligerdub

This group isn't representative of the people at large. You're much more likely to have everyone on here in agreement that it should be on in a convenient time and interesting location, but the average Joe views these events where roads are closed as being at least an irritation or beyond that a downright nuisance they wouldn't care less if the event weren't happening at all. The average Joe is the majority of the people, and that's who the decision makers are more likely to keep in mind.

In reality, the minimum requirements are to have the location as reasonably accessible as possible, and held at a time where most don't have to get up in the middle of the night to get to (for most of the participants at least).

Having the event in the park on a Saturday morning ticks every box to be honest.

dublin runner

Back on topic, sort of.

An interesting comparison can be found this weekend when discussing the Dublin Half. It's probably unfair to even compare in many ways but an excellent example of a topclass race in a relatively small city.

http://www.cardiffhalfmarathon.co.uk/

Pawwed Rig

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

A lot of potential here. We are lacking in infrastructure correct, it's improving but the main issue is getting people to opt for public transport. I think a lot of people are quite blind to how convenient it is in many instances.

If it is there people use it as can be seen by the many full Luas and DARTs every morning/evening.
I don't think you can call it convenient though. DART for example stops a fair distance from the main shopping districts in the city, are frequently late, are not as regular as they should be, slow enough too.
I use DART regularly but it would be the third fastest method of getting to my city centre workplace after driving and cycling.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Sure look where the National Sports Centre is located. You'd need councilling after trying to make your way out there by public transport!

National Sports Centre is a good location in general for everyone bar city residents with no cars. While that's not a good thing, majority of the people have a car.

It's easy to get to from the country as close to m50, good road infrastructure to it.

What they failed to do is connect the train station to that area, but there is no financial reason to do it either. Maybe a shuttle bus from the train station on the big days.

There was definitely no city location for it that could be afforded.

average_runner

ligerdub wrote: »

This group isn't representative of the people at large. You're much more likely to have everyone on here in agreement that it should be on in a convenient time and interesting location, but the average Joe views these events where roads are closed as being at least an irritation or beyond that a downright nuisance they wouldn't care less if the event weren't happening at all. The average Joe is the majority of the people, and that's who the decision makers are more likely to keep in mind.

In reality, the minimum requirements are to have the location as reasonably accessible as possible, and held at a time where most don't have to get up in the middle of the night to get to (for most of the participants at least).

Having the event in the park on a Saturday morning ticks every box to be honest.

That's a cop out. We are talking about city centre at 9am on a Sunday morning. There is not many people out and about at that stage in the city centre.

Are these Joe soaps happy to be able to use Croke Park or Avia on big match days and have roads closed off?

Birdie Num Num

Chivito550 wrote: »

What are the short cut directions from Castleknock Station? Never been able to figure it out through Google Maps. Always seems to be a wall or something blocking the most direct way.

Though it's the track I'd be going to. Not sure exactly where the XC course is in relation to that.

It's effectively a few trails at this stage and yes it is currently not straight forward. Abbotstown is located just behind Blanchardstown Hospital and some older gates have been closed up. It is also on the grounds of the old state labs and an entrance road was from Dunsink lane along the Tolka. Granted the track is a little further in and there is currently no access from the old road along the Tolka. The area in my mind has a lot of potential for sensitive development of trails and access.

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

National Sports Centre is a good location in general for everyone bar city residents with no cars. While that's not a good thing, majority of the people have a car.

It's easy to get to from the country as close to m50, good road infrastructure to it.

What they failed to do is connect the train station to that area, but there is no financial reason to do it either. Maybe a shuttle bus from the train station on the big days.

There was definitely no city location for it that could be afforded.

There's tons of unused space near train stations such as Hazelhatch, Adamstown, Clondalkin and Fonthill, and down near Cherrywood there's tons of LUAS stops with just empty fields.

SeeMoreBut

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

They do. The marathon is no longer called the Dublin 'City' marathon. Fingal were very much behind the Half. Don't know if it was just a case of their flags fluttering in the wind or if they had bods on the ground too!

Behind it to me is run it on the route you want, what can we do to help put, what time suits. Even giving things for no charge. Maybe Fingal is different to city council.

Should be if you have a race number public transport should be free.

Sunday in city centre shouln't be an issue but then you run into the no public transport until near enough the start time.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

There's tons of unused space near train stations such as Hazelhatch, Adamstown, Clondalkin and Fonthill, and down near Cherrywood there's tons of LUAS stops with just empty fields.

Hazelhatch is not great for outside the rail.

Adamstown would be great for me but sadly its not service great by rail or bus on a weekend. Train station is actually along way from Adamstown itself and its a development thats booming right now. 25b is only once every 45 mins on a Sunday.

Clondakin, down by Grange Castle area or where the Liffey Valley shopping centre was meant to go, could work, again public transport is not great there, 151 and 13 bus but the train station isn't opened there, (another long story)

donaghs

rooneyjm wrote: »

I feel Irish people have become a shower of soft moaners. It was badly planned, granted, but the Tsunami of whinging is too much.
People will not get a train because they want to sit in their nice warm car, have a coffee, rock up 10min before the start. Since when are two bottles of water and refreshments at the end not enough for a half marathon. People pretending they were at deaths door in 17 degrees, I mean fcuk off.
People on FB giving out about a lack of jax roll, own your own sh1t, literally.
"I didn't get a banana", really how terrible, stop bitching and have an apple.

If you're being serious, people said the trains were crowded. Do you really think they could handle another few thousand or so people?

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

Hazelhatch is not great for outside the rail.

Adamstown would be great for me but sadly its not service great by rail or bus on a weekend. Train station is actually along way from Adamstown itself and its a development thats booming right now. 25b is only once every 45 mins on a Sunday.

Clondakin, down by Grange Castle area or where the Liffey Valley shopping centre was meant to go, could work, again public transport is not great there, 151 and 13 bus but the train station isn't opened there, (another long story)

You are looking at this all wrong. You are looking at it from what is available now, rather than scope for improvement in the future. Locate on the Kildare line and in 10-15 years time it could be a frequent electrified service, particularly if they get off their arses and build DART Underground.

Where they've built it out in a Abbotstown, I don't ever see rail being built.

drkpower

The lack of infrastructure was clearly the issue with the Dublin half debacle. Clearly there should be a high speed metro to Newbridge House.

quickbeam

Don't worry - all our infrastructure problems will be solved when we win the bid for the Rugby World Cup!

Right????

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

You are looking at this all wrong. You are looking at it from what is available now, rather than scope for improvement in the future. Locate on the Kildare line and in 10-15 years time it could be a frequent electrified service, particularly if they get off their arses and build DART Underground.

Where they've built it out in a Abbotstown, I don't ever see rail being built.

To be honest I thought you were talking about now as the location instead of its current.

Now come on, do you really think the government are thinking about 15 years down the line. Please god we be here, but things won' have changed much

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

To be honest I thought you were talking about now as the location instead of its current.

Now come on, do you really think the government are thinking about 15 years down the line. Please god we be here, but things won' have changed much

In terms of the now, down near Cherrywood would have been best place for Indoor Arena. Near M50 and on LUAS line. But if we were looking at the future and if we had a government who were ambitious then the Kildare line area has huge potential.

Either way, the current location just sums up this country. Just throw it out in the middle of nowhere with no good public transport links.

glacial_pace71

I was away at the weekend, and so didn't get to volunteer for any of the race day duties. (I'd usually volunteer when injured. However, I gather that the usual range of organisations such as scouts, guides etc that could be called upon for Phoenix Park based events were not realistically able to countenance Newbridge demesne when there were so many events each weekend in the park over the summer/autumn).

From everything I've heard it really was a disaster, not just for the occasional race entrant but it has lost a lot of support from a large cohort of the running community - both those who help organise events and those who support them through participation.

Something not mentioned on the thread thus far is the associated impact upon the Frank Duffy/Civil Service Harriers and on the BHAA, as they lend their imprimatur to the "Race Series" as it is currently constituted.

From what I gather, Marathon Events Management Ltd is in quite good shape, and that year on year over the past decade the Dublin City Marathon has more than balanced its books. However, the separate Race Series Ltd is in a somewhat more precarious situation financially if my understanding is correct.

The Race Series has served many useful functions over the past few years, e.g. it helps "grow" the number of distance runners via offering a pathway/gateway drug to the marathon. (I know of dozens who got to the marathon via the half marathon, and who would never have otherwise ran beyond a 10k race: even the '10 mile' t-shirt had a "yaay" factor for them).

The series does so at a price point that's about half of what a commercial operator would charge. (Some races, such as Clontarf, entail extensive use of footpaths and public beaches rather than road closures. I'm sure there are options that could make for an affordable price point in any race bundle).

Not sure the direction they should take between the competing demands of affordability, mass appeal and those of ensuring a financially viable 'commercial product' as such. However, if holding it at a location with limited capacity then the number of entrants would need to be restricted; that may defeat one core purpose of the series, but it'd be better to have a half-marathon event that can anchor the series rather it becoming some sort of scarecrow.

ligerdub

average_runner wrote: »

That's a cop out. We are talking about city centre at 9am on a Sunday morning. There is not many people out and about at that stage in the city centre.

Are these Joe soaps happy to be able to use Croke Park or Avia on big match days and have roads closed off?

Any sort of disruption creates a problem. Just because it's not a peak time doesn't mean that you could organise it without some degree of pushback.

Those locations mentioned also bring a hell of a lot of commercial activity to the area on those days, plus the locals know what they are getting into when they move in there. I'd argue that neither are really city centre, and the road closures are reasonable minimal and for a relatively short amount of time.

I'm not against having an event in the city centre, far from it, I'd probably enter it myself, and it would be very convenient for participants. Having said that if there is an equivalent location pretty much as accessible and doesn't disrupt any commercial activity nor much in the way of road closures then that's the winner in my opinion.

Greybottle

crisco10 wrote: »

Nice idea, but that route is 13.1 KM on my google maps!

LOL. Good point, must be asleep doing it, I thought it looked short.

Anyway, here's the alternative, which covers most of the big sights of the city.

Phoenix Park
Islandbridge Memorial Gardens
Kilmainham Gaol
Royal Hospital and MMA (can't get it to go through the grounds on the google maps, but it's a nice run.
Guinness
Christchurch
St. Patricks cathedral
St Stephens Green
Merrion Sq
Leinster House (back of it)
Nassau St
Trinity
College Green
Dublin Castle
Quays
Samuel Beckett bridge
Custom House
O'Connell St
Parnell Sq and Garden of Remembrance (need to go around it)
Smithfield
Arbour Hill
Zoo
Aras an Uachtairain.

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.354084,-6.3113911/53.3418807,-6.3166645/53.3428331,-6.2716945/53.3371447,-6.2565454/53.341552,-6.2517389/53.3441039,-6.2672018/Samuel+Beckett+Bridge,+Dublin/Parnell+St,+Dublin/53.357361,-6.318935/@53.3396043,-6.3029337,15z/data=!4m51!4m50!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3033735!2d53.3416972!3s0x48670c45c1c09435:0x5be7ba61b9f00b00!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2656423!2d53.3456349!3s0x48670e82c964f979:0x77a77d82e9514bc!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670e8d5048a097:0x7d40424d5f4f543f!2m2!1d-6.2412965!2d53.3470598!1m25!1m1!1s0x48670e814ba42539:0x3eebd04f7462c124!2m2!1d-6.2631314!2d53.3519281!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2778953!2d53.3477686!3s0x48670c2eddb611af:0xb990b0189295ea6b!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2967981!2d53.3508161!3s0x48670c3592526813:0x699de54711b0e2f6!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3243849!2d53.365751!3s0x48670da65cd3cd89:0xcfe8430c42bd7a95!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3308324!2d53.3648006!3s0x48670d083f4b8b23:0x1c1d2538051ff926!1m0!3e2

Start at 9.00
Last walkers will have cleared St Stephens Green at 10.30, so the Grren Line Luas going south can reopen.
Will have cleared O'Connell St by 11.30, so both Luas lines can re open.

Run it on a Sunday that isn't All Ireland fixed and it would be a great run IMO.

TFBubendorfer

Greybottle wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.354084,-6.3113911/53.3418807,-6.3166645/53.3428331,-6.2716945/53.3371447,-6.2565454/53.341552,-6.2517389/53.3441039,-6.2672018/Samuel+Beckett+Bridge,+Dublin/Parnell+St,+Dublin/53.357361,-6.318935/@53.3396043,-6.3029337,15z/data=!4m51!4m50!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3033735!2d53.3416972!3s0x48670c45c1c09435:0x5be7ba61b9f00b00!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2656423!2d53.3456349!3s0x48670e82c964f979:0x77a77d82e9514bc!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670e8d5048a097:0x7d40424d5f4f543f!2m2!1d-6.2412965!2d53.3470598!1m25!1m1!1s0x48670e814ba42539:0x3eebd04f7462c124!2m2!1d-6.2631314!2d53.3519281!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2778953!2d53.3477686!3s0x48670c2eddb611af:0xb990b0189295ea6b!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2967981!2d53.3508161!3s0x48670c3592526813:0x699de54711b0e2f6!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3243849!2d53.365751!3s0x48670da65cd3cd89:0xcfe8430c42bd7a95!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3308324!2d53.3648006!3s0x48670d083f4b8b23:0x1c1d2538051ff926!1m0!3e2

A route that actually shows off Dublin rather than run through some non-descript suburbs. :eek: That will never do!

RayCun

Greybottle wrote: »

Start at 9.00
Last walkers will have cleared St Stephens Green at 10.30, so the Grren Line Luas going south can reopen.
Will have cleared O'Connell St by 11.30, so both Luas lines can re open.

Run it on a Sunday that isn't All Ireland fixed and it would be a great run IMO.

you're closing the Red line for an hour, the Green line for 90 minutes, and O'Connell street for 2 hours.

And the Con Colbert Road for an hour, Patrick street for 90 minutes, Stephen's Green, Nassau street, and Dame street for 2 hours, Parnell street, Capel Street, Church Street for 2.5 hours...

Dublin marathon doesn't get that level of road closures.

It's nice to dream, but...

robinph

Greybottle wrote: »

LOL. Good point, must be asleep doing it, I thought it looked short.

Anyway, here's the alternative, which covers most of the big sights of the city.

Phoenix Park
Islandbridge Memorial Gardens
Kilmainham Gaol
Royal Hospital and MMA (can't get it to go through the grounds on the google maps, but it's a nice run.
Guinness
Christchurch
St. Patricks cathedral
St Stephens Green
Merrion Sq
Leinster House (back of it)
Nassau St
Trinity
College Green
Dublin Castle
Quays
Samuel Beckett bridge
Custom House
O'Connell St
Parnell Sq and Garden of Remembrance (need to go around it)
Smithfield
Arbour Hill
Zoo
Aras an Uachtairain.

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.354084,-6.3113911/53.3418807,-6.3166645/53.3428331,-6.2716945/53.3371447,-6.2565454/53.341552,-6.2517389/53.3441039,-6.2672018/Samuel+Beckett+Bridge,+Dublin/Parnell+St,+Dublin/53.357361,-6.318935/@53.3396043,-6.3029337,15z/data=!4m51!4m50!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3033735!2d53.3416972!3s0x48670c45c1c09435:0x5be7ba61b9f00b00!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2656423!2d53.3456349!3s0x48670e82c964f979:0x77a77d82e9514bc!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670e8d5048a097:0x7d40424d5f4f543f!2m2!1d-6.2412965!2d53.3470598!1m25!1m1!1s0x48670e814ba42539:0x3eebd04f7462c124!2m2!1d-6.2631314!2d53.3519281!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2778953!2d53.3477686!3s0x48670c2eddb611af:0xb990b0189295ea6b!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2967981!2d53.3508161!3s0x48670c3592526813:0x699de54711b0e2f6!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3243849!2d53.365751!3s0x48670da65cd3cd89:0xcfe8430c42bd7a95!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3308324!2d53.3648006!3s0x48670d083f4b8b23:0x1c1d2538051ff926!1m0!3e2

Start at 9.00
Last walkers will have cleared St Stephens Green at 10.30, so the Grren Line Luas going south can reopen.
Will have cleared O'Connell St by 11.30, so both Luas lines can re open.

Run it on a Sunday that isn't All Ireland fixed and it would be a great run IMO.

Can't have a hairpin bend within the first mile at the end of a fast'ish downhill stretch coming out of the park. Anyone on the wrong side of the road after the first 100 people at that point will find themselves coming to a halt or being pushed into the stone gates.

average_runner

robinph wrote: »

Can't have a hairpin bend within the first mile at the end of a fast'ish downhill stretch coming out of the park. Anyone on the wrong side of the road after the first 100 people at that point will find themselves coming to a halt or being pushed into the stone gates.

Also alot of that area is already covered via the RnR and the marathon.

Be better to try getting it thru places like Rathmines, Ranelagh etc.

Some thing different.

aquinn

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/dublin-half-marathon-1.3233415

sideswipe

Greybottle wrote: »

LOL. Good point, must be asleep doing it, I thought it looked short.

Anyway, here's the alternative, which covers most of the big sights of the city.

Phoenix Park
Islandbridge Memorial Gardens
Kilmainham Gaol
Royal Hospital and MMA (can't get it to go through the grounds on the google maps, but it's a nice run.
Guinness
Christchurch
St. Patricks cathedral
St Stephens Green
Merrion Sq
Leinster House (back of it)
Nassau St
Trinity
College Green
Dublin Castle
Quays
Samuel Beckett bridge
Custom House
O'Connell St
Parnell Sq and Garden of Remembrance (need to go around it)
Smithfield
Arbour Hill
Zoo
Aras an Uachtairain.

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.354084,-6.3113911/53.3418807,-6.3166645/53.3428331,-6.2716945/53.3371447,-6.2565454/53.341552,-6.2517389/53.3441039,-6.2672018/Samuel+Beckett+Bridge,+Dublin/Parnell+St,+Dublin/53.357361,-6.318935/@53.3396043,-6.3029337,15z/data=!4m51!4m50!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3033735!2d53.3416972!3s0x48670c45c1c09435:0x5be7ba61b9f00b00!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2656423!2d53.3456349!3s0x48670e82c964f979:0x77a77d82e9514bc!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670e8d5048a097:0x7d40424d5f4f543f!2m2!1d-6.2412965!2d53.3470598!1m25!1m1!1s0x48670e814ba42539:0x3eebd04f7462c124!2m2!1d-6.2631314!2d53.3519281!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2778953!2d53.3477686!3s0x48670c2eddb611af:0xb990b0189295ea6b!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2967981!2d53.3508161!3s0x48670c3592526813:0x699de54711b0e2f6!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3243849!2d53.365751!3s0x48670da65cd3cd89:0xcfe8430c42bd7a95!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3308324!2d53.3648006!3s0x48670d083f4b8b23:0x1c1d2538051ff926!1m0!3e2

Start at 9.00
Last walkers will have cleared St Stephens Green at 10.30, so the Grren Line Luas going south can reopen.
Will have cleared O'Connell St by 11.30, so both Luas lines can re open.

Run it on a Sunday that isn't All Ireland fixed and it would be a great run IMO.

.

OK, I'm in- but I insist on paying no less than €50

KJ

average_runner wrote: »

Also alot of that area is already covered via the RnR and the marathon.

Be better to try getting it thru places like Rathmines, Ranelagh etc.

Some thing different.

Just run it on the M1. There's plenty of parking there.

Unthought Known

aquinn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/dublin-half-marathon-1.3233415

How was the guy from Lucan so late he had to abandon it 6km from the start? I left my house at 7:30, drove past Lucan at 7:45, hit the queue at 8:10 and was in car park 2 at 9:05.
Did I just get lucky?

Greybottle

RayCun wrote: »

you're closing the Red line for an hour, the Green line for 90 minutes, and O'Connell street for 2 hours.

And the Con Colbert Road for an hour, Patrick street for 90 minutes, Stephen's Green, Nassau street, and Dame street for 2 hours, Parnell street, Capel Street, Church Street for 2.5 hours...

Dublin marathon doesn't get that level of road closures.

It's nice to dream, but...

The St Patricks Day Parade and Easter Monday celebrations are near enough to that. The Dublin Marathon shuts down every road into Dublin from the N4 to the N11 for longer periods, so it's nothing new.

Either way it's just a taste of what we could be doing.

The Luas lines have switches so can be run in full for most of the morning with the exception of a stretch in the city centre.

Agreed that the turn onto Coyningham Rd needs to be changed.

If you want to run a marathon in the city centre you'll get traffic issues no matter what. So either accept some disruption or run it well outside the city or run in a circle or linear route like out towards Howth and back.

Greybottle

Anyway, part of the idea is to make an attractive route and get people training for it. Get GAA and other sports clubs and community groups involved in a push to create a challenge to run / jog / walk the route, using late Spring and all summer as a training period.