NFL Disrespect.

Sam Quentin

Stupid innocent disrespectful 'young-people' immaturity of the highest order.. Disrespecting their Country and Elders, Disrespecting their President and making USA look weak, making them more vulnerable in these troubled times.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/donald-trumps-national-anthem-comments-spark-mass-of-protests-by-american-football-players-807195.html

WinnyThePoo

Freedom and liberty. They can feckin do what they want.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I assume you are being sarcastic. More power to them!

VinLieger

Please oh please be sarcasm

FTA69

1) Are you American? If not why are you moaning about a perceived slight toward a flag and an anthem or the US "looking weak"?

2) If a large group of black athletes are speaking out on a topic at risk to themselves then maybe we should listen to them instead of making assumptions about what they're trying to say?

Augme

2/10. Needed to tone it down a bit to make it more believable. Also lost points for random use of capitals.

Dravokivich

I don't see how it's disrespectful. Typically you kneel to something symbolic that is greater than you. That's what they are doing.

Kristopherus

Fair play to them, giving the 2 fingers to Trump. The sooner he's put out to grass, the better.:mad:.

wes

Colin Kaepernick started this during Obama's presidency and isn't on a Football team anymore due to his protest.

Trump has suddenly decided to make this whole thing about himself and managed to piss off the NFL owners, who all gave him a lot of money (millions of dollars).

super_furry

I think the bigger conversation here is the militarisation of sport. Starting to see it in the U.K. with all their poppy nonsense.

If you don't wear a poppy or attempt to make a peaceful, dignified and silent protest, you're suddenly the enemy of the state. Colin Kepernick and James McClean are two sides of the same coin.

Sam Quentin

Lmao at these negative and disrespectful posts towards me(an individual)just showing my disgust and shock at the immaturity by young men and women towards their Country and Leader.. They are even being screamed and yelled at in some of these venues to STAND UP for your National Anthem. Maybe some of you have Monday morning blues or wee hangover's lol

Wanderer78

wes wrote:

Trump has suddenly decided to make this whole thing about himself and managed to piss off the NFL owners, who all gave him a lot of money (millions of dollars).

A narcissist turning a situation to be all about himself, that's a new one! Manchild is the only way to describe this idiot, what a fool of a human being. Best of luck to the players

super_furry

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Lmao at these negative and disrespectful posts towards me(an individual)just showing my disgust and shock at the immaturity by young men and women towards their Country and Leader.. They are even being screamed and yelled at in some of these venues to STAND UP for your National Anthem. Maybe some of you have Monday morning blues or wee hangover's lol

Oh dear you're not very good at this are you? You need to make it believable.

AryaStark

They are not being immature... it shows guts and determination. I am so glad that I am not an American... I would be both embarrassed and ashamed of my country.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Lmao at these negative and disrespectful posts towards me(an individual)just showing my disgust and shock at the immaturity by young men and women towards their Country and Leader.. They are even being screamed and yelled at in some of these venues to STAND UP for your National Anthem. Maybe some of you have Monday morning blues or wee hangover's lol

You seem to misuse the word ' disrespectful ' but it matters little.

What do you care how Americans react to America's anthem and why?

These young men are standing up for something more important than a piece of music and a bit of cloth. They are standing up for what is right and proper. I wish we had more principled people in this world and less sheep.

Feckoffcup

A nation of sensitive cry babies

Wanderer78

AryaStark wrote:

They are not being immature... it shows guts and determination. I am so glad that I am not an American... I would be both embarrassed and ashamed of my country.

Many actually are, and deeply worried about their country

Sam Quentin

Wasting my time with you lot.. Go way and ponder in your wee heads and learn some respect before it's too late, am gonna search now online for a good American forum and air my view there, where I'll get the respect I truly deserve :-)

seamus

The guys kneeling are patriots. The people getting upset are nationalists.

"Fleg" nonsense isn't confined to a little pocket of our island.

super_furry

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Wasting my time with you lot.. Go way and ponder in your wee heads and learn some respect before it's too late, am gonna search now online for a good American forum and air my view there, where I'll get the respect I truly deserve :-)

Yes yes, you'll be terribly missed. All the best now comrade.

Sam Quentin

Sorry I forgot my jacket, emmm does anyone know the name of some good pro American forums?. Thanks :-)

SafeSurfer

Keep politics out of sport.

ricero

Disgusting lack of respect from the majority of nfl owners and players.

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

They might not like trump but dont disrespect an anthem and flag for something so petty

Sonics2k

Literally the most peaceful form of protest and people are raging about them.

If I didn't know any better it's almost as if a large chunk of the Right just doesn't want to know about black peoples issues with America.

BBDBB

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Sorry I forgot my jacket, emmm does anyone know the name of some good pro American forums?. Thanks :-)

pewpewpewmerica.com

RocketRaccoon

ricero wrote: »

Disgusting lack of respect from the majority of nfl owners and players.

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

They might not like trump but dont disrespect an anthem and flag for something so petty

Petty?
The first player to do this did it during the Obama presidency so it is absolutely nothing to do with Trump. Get yourself clued in before commenting on something.

For Forks Sake

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Sorry I forgot my jacket, emmm does anyone know the name of some good pro American forums?. Thanks :-)

go to Breitbart and turn right.

Sonics2k

ricero wrote: »

Disgusting lack of respect from the majority of nfl owners and players.

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

They might not like trump but dont disrespect an anthem and flag for something so petty

Hang on now, the kneeling for the flag and anthem thing was happening way before Trump took office, so maybe calm down with the rhetoric.

Secondly, a lot of Veterans agree with these guys.

Thirdly, would you prefer marches in the street which can far too often end up as riots?

Arsemageddon

ricero wrote: »

Disgusting lack of respect from the majority of nfl owners and players.

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

This kind of simplistic nonsense does my head in.

BillyBobBS

Generation snowflake strikes again.

Wanderer78

ricero wrote:

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

You forgot 'democracy' to!

whisky_galore

ricero wrote: »

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

Interesting that the 'good war' and the 'greatest generation' thing is always trotted out and not the wars and vets the US would rather forget about.

Arsemageddon

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Generation snowflake strikes again.

That doesn't even make sense.

Sonics2k

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Generation snowflake strikes again.

You're absolutely right BillyBob, look at all the snowflakes getting hysterically angry about someone kneeling during the anthem.

BBDBB

Any protest worth its salt needs to accomplish the following if it is to achieve a change in perception or ideally legislation

1) maximum publicity for its cause - which this is doing, NFL is becoming a global phenomenon and kneeling for the anthem or raising a fist when likely to be on camera after a big play certainly does that

2) a legitimate complaint in the eyes of the majority - which I think this does, the statistics demonstrate the imbalance in the way the USA polices its society between black and white.



3) popular support - which this isn't doing, its becoming too divisive. Also because of the likely inflamed reaction it is becoming the story. In the same way that a peaceful protest that then becomes a riot, its the riot that gets the headlines, not the original protest.

I don't disagree with their right to protest or their intention/motive
I don't think this is the best way to achieve their aims

GLaDOS

The guys getting outraged at this are usually the same guys screaming "free speech!" when people disagree with their opinions.

Sam Quentin

I think by the end of the day these wee skuts will learn manners and respect, I can see a huge turn and lots of fury towards this show of cowardly disrespect towards their Country.

gramar

Cassandra Itchy Earplug wrote: »

I assume you are being sarcastic. More power to them!

Black power mostly.

1hnr79jr65

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Wasting my time with you lot.. Go way and ponder in your wee heads and learn some respect before it's too late, am gonna search now online for a good American forum and air my view there, where I'll get the respect I truly deserve :-)

Respect is EARNED and all you have done is whine about others exercising their right to peaceful protest which those WW2 Vets faught for democracy to allow :rolleyes:

osarusan

I saw on facebook that Tomi Lahren was wearing a tshirt with the US flag and the words 'I don't kneel' on it.

I thought about making a comment offering my commiserations to her boyfriend but decided against it.

VinLieger

BBDBB wrote: »

Any protest worth its salt needs to accomplish the following if it is to achieve a change in perception or ideally legislation

1) maximum publicity for its cause - which this is doing, NFL is becoming a global phenomenon and kneeling for the anthem or raising a fist when likely to be on camera after a big play certainly does that

2) a legitimate complaint in the eyes of the majority - which I think this does, the statistics demonstrate the imbalance in the way the USA polices its society between black and white.



3) popular support - which this isn't doing, its becoming too divisive. Also because of the likely inflamed reaction it is becoming the story. In the same way that a peaceful protest that then becomes a riot, its the riot that gets the headlines, not the original protest.

I don't disagree with their right to protest or their intention/motive
I don't think this is the best way to achieve their aims

On point 3 up until last weekend there were a handful of player participating but Trumps tweets changed this to entire teams staying in the locker rooms, there hasnt been a chance for popular support to develop for this new dynamic

Guffy

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Respect is EARNED and all you have done is whine about others exercising their right to peaceful protest which those WW2 Vets faught for democracy to allow :rolleyes:

Why do ye feed into an obvious troll?

bruschi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVR23nFkKz0

fans seem to have no issue booing through the anthem though.

Boom_Bap

Players on the pitch during the National Anthem was only introduced to NFL games in 2009 and normally accompanied by some sort of military showing.

It was done as a means to try get people to enroll into the military.

AryaStark

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Wasting my time with you lot.. Go way and ponder in your wee heads and learn some respect before it's too late, am gonna search now online for a good American forum and air my view there, where I'll get the respect I truly deserve :-)

Even though I know that you are a troll your posts piss me off. Demanding respect for your idiotic views is just ridiculous... you should move to America, you would be a better fit there.

BBDBB

VinLieger wrote: »

On point 3 up until last weekend there were a handful of player participating but Trumps tweets changed this to entire teams staying in the locker rooms, there hasnt been a chance for popular support to develop for this new dynamic

True, Trump saying nay, got a lot of peoples backs up and the reaction has escalated this week. However what reaction did that escalation get? The response to the kneeling seemed louder and more heated too.

This is why I think its a poor method of protesting, its becoming the big story. Not helped by Trumps intervention but then thats nothing new.

I think the interesting dynamic is in the response of the police and army vets who support the stewarding and safety of the NFL games.

Second thing to consider is that American football is played at Colleges, High Schools and Peewee football. Those youngsters see the top players take a knee during the anthem, and like we see kids over here do with the soccer players, they copy them. A divisive reaction to the perceived disrespect in a large stadium could be problematic due to crowd size. But what about those same reactions being voiced at kids football?

What is the background to the protests?

Sam Quentin

Because of this total disrespect being shown openly to the World through every media outlet, and seeing that the majority of good Americans are trying to stop it!? I think this leaves USA in a very vulnerable position and I would say security and defences are being beefed up as we speak... And all because of those immature disrespectful sporty kids!?

gramar

Deleted User wrote: »

What is the background to the protests?

Unjustified police shootings of blacks and D. Trump being a monumental buffoon.

The_Kew_Tour

Fair play to the Players. 100% behind them

theoneeyedman

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

Seems apt given the attacks on Twatter from POTUS on this.

I echo the point made earlier re:militarization of sport, especially in the US and Britain. Constantly forging a link between the 'heros' on the field with the 'heros' fighting on foreign fields mostly, and dare anyone raise a voice against the trend or not stand when told or not wear the poppy for what whole month when ordered to...

Sport has enough politics in it of itself, without governments and military forces hijacking it for their own means. If you introduce politics and your mantra into the sporting sphere, don't be surprised if people who don't agree with you, or who have a grievance, turn these symbols on you as a means of protest.