NFL Disrespect.

Billy86

I'm quite sure the current president hasn't had any issues with women other than his wife (whoever that may be at any given time) taking a knee either!

A Little Pony

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

That wasn't the point being made. Many within the liberal media in America can't stand Conservatism, doesn't matter who is President. Trump just gets under the skin more, they would still hate the President if he/she was Republican anyway.

Actually, it was the point being made - the post you responded to was explicitly talking about players, coaches and others kneeling for the anthem in response to Trump.

However you also seem blissfully unaware of how much control the NFL has over it's own media, and of the fact that the sports viewership, ownership and coverage typically all lean Republican to begin with. Unless that is, you thought all that the likes of constant talk about God and Jesus (but good as never any other religions), the troops, tradition, the US flag, the heavy police presence (if a player gets sent off, an actual police officer escorts them off the field), country music, and on and on that goes through all NFL broadcasts were examples of what you consider "liberal".

But one way or another, what is clear is that you don't appear to actually know what you are talking about here.

I wasn't talking about NFL media, I was talking about liberal media from the likes of MSNBC to CNN to entertainment talkshow hosts who do less entertaining these days and take part in being a propaganda outlet. The Republican President is always going to get hammered in the American media from those outlets I outlined.

Billy86

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wasn't talking about NFL media, I was talking about liberal media from the likes of MSNBC to CNN to entertainment talkshow hosts who do less entertaining these days and take part in being a propaganda outlet. The Republican President is always going to get hammered in the American media from those outlets I outlined.

You responded to a post talking about players kneeling for the anthem in response to Trump with an effort to try and say it was the media's fault that Trump's comments went down like a lead balloon when it was clearly Trump's fault for saying what Trump said, and the media attention came about as a result of the players, coaches and owners reactions to it.

You failed badly in your efforts to create a straw man on this one, as your attempts to avoid talking about NFL media in your rant about the NFL and media are making even more clear.

A Little Pony

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wasn't talking about NFL media, I was talking about liberal media from the likes of MSNBC to CNN to entertainment talkshow hosts who do less entertaining these days and take part in being a propaganda outlet. The Republican President is always going to get hammered in the American media from those outlets I outlined.

You responded to a post talking about players kneeling for the anthem in response to Trump with an effort to try and say it was the media's fault that Trump's comments went down like a lead balloon when it was clearly Trump's fault for saying what Trump said, and the media attention came about as a result of the players, coaches and owners reactions to it.

You failed badly in your efforts to create a straw man on this one, as your attempts to avoid talking about NFL media in your rant about the NFL and media are making even more clear.

Actually I didn't say it wasn't Trump fault for stirring it up and annoying people, that is what he does. My point is a Republican President is always going to be hated by the liberal media in America, they don't like Conservatives. Trump is just a more annoying and hated version to what Republican Presidents normally get.

I have actually said on this thread to just accept the protests as they are entitled to protest, same way the paying public are entitled to boycott them and not put money in the pockets of the NFL players.

Billy86

A Little Pony wrote: »

Actually I didn't say it wasn't Trump fault for stirring it up and annoying people, that is what he does. My point is a Republican President is always going to be hated by the liberal media in America, they don't like Conservatives. Trump is just a more annoying and hated version to what Republican Presidents normally get.

I have actually said on this thread to just accept the protests as they are entitled to protest, same way the paying public are entitled to boycott them and not put money in the pockets of the NFL players.

So if it is Trump's fault and not the media's, then why post out of nowhere in a thread about the NFL how "the media just hate Trump" and "want left wing politics" while also after the fact claiming to not be referring to the NFL media. Again, in a thread about the NFL.

That's a pretty definitive straw man.

Christy42

Hazys wrote: »

The Dallas Cowboys on Monday Night Football decided as a team (including the coaches and owner) to kneel before the anthem and then stand for the anthem. As they knelt, they were booed. The people who refused to acknowledge that the protests could have been about anything but disrespecting the troops when presented with an alternative that didn't disrespect the troops, booed them anyway. That clearly shows that the majority of people who are against the kneeling are just hiding behind the disrespect the troops narrative, when we all really know their real feelings are "Hey black people, stay in your place".

Indeed. Trump called them out as well. The Cowboys and many teams went out of their way to try and emphasise that they did not want to disrespect troops and they were still booed.

This never had anything to do with patriotism and was always about colour. From both sides.

Ultimately the most striking thing about the entire protest is Trump's language. He said the far right protestors in Charlottesville contained some "very fine people", but when black men protested in a fairly restrained manner during the anthem he called them "sons of bitches" who should be sacked.

It's hard to escape the inference that he views black people as second class citizens who really should know their place. It's beginning to look a lot like very pure, very clear racism. I can see why some players like Josh Norman seemed almost shocked by what he said when you compare it to Trump's measured comments about far right white supremicists

Lad Kulture

Lad Kulture wrote: »

A society where black men can make unbelievable amounts of money simply by throwing a ball? Yeah sounds really racist alright.

Ummm, Trump didn't invent American Football.

So yes, yes it is possible for him to be racist in a society where black people are allowed to make money in sports.

Outlaw Pete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RJiLb7jmGY

Billy86

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RJiLb7jmGY

Caption from the video: The liberal media loves to play the race card when it comes to racist white people like Dylan Roof killing innocent black people. But what happens when racist blacks kill innocent white people simply for being white?

Yeah, I'm... not so sure this person actually knows what BLM claim to be about.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Has anyone mentioned the fact that black people kill black people yet. I really think we better mention that forty or fifty more times.

Jabari Full Pedigree

Jabari Full Pedigree wrote: »

Has anyone mentioned the fact that black people kill black people yet. I really think we better mention that forty or fifty more times.

I think the point is if you say it fifty times, it makes issues with the police all grand and sure why would anyone have a problem with them at all at all.

And it conclusively proves that anyone who has an issue is, obviously, a "son of a b***" who should be sacked.

Outlaw Pete

Billy86 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm... not so sure this person actually knows what BLM claim to be about.

BLM are a profoundly racist movement and liberals are enabling them to manipulate society for their own end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo

A Little Pony

Billy86 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Actually I didn't say it wasn't Trump fault for stirring it up and annoying people, that is what he does. My point is a Republican President is always going to be hated by the liberal media in America, they don't like Conservatives. Trump is just a more annoying and hated version to what Republican Presidents normally get.

I have actually said on this thread to just accept the protests as they are entitled to protest, same way the paying public are entitled to boycott them and not put money in the pockets of the NFL players.

So if it is Trump's fault and not the media's, then why post out of nowhere in a thread about the NFL how "the media just hate Trump" and "want left wing politics" while also after the fact claiming to not be referring to the NFL media. Again, in a thread about the NFL.

That's a pretty definitive straw man.

To illustrate that some of the attacks on Trump don't necessarily stem from the fact it is Trump but the more deep rooted issue that it is a Republican President in the white house. Trump will be gone in a few years, but the Republican party won't.

Beefy78

Lad Kulture wrote: »

>be me, black guy
>my race dominates football and sport in general due to our genetics
>can make millions by being good at sport
>America is racist because black drug dealers get shot by cops just doing their job
Ok.

America Football is one of the most dangerous sports in the World. Most players earn relatively low wages in comparison to other sports and most NFL contracts offer no security with players being able to be cut (sacked) or shipped over to the other side of the country with no say in the matter (unlike, for example a soccer player who could turn down a transfer).

These guys literally risk their bodies every time they step onto the field and even the best paid is paid a fraction of what they are worth relative to the amount of money that they generate the 32 rich and mostly white owners and the media networks.

It's a fierce game which chews up the vast majority of men who ever play it.

A Little Pony

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm... not so sure this person actually knows what BLM claim to be about.

BLM are a profoundly racist movement and liberals are enabling them to manipulate society for their own end.

Surprised anyone takes BLM seriously.

Zubeneschamali

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trump will be gone in a few years, but the Republican party won't.

Trump seems to be trying to take them down with him.

Jelle1880

https://twitter.com/Blueraydre/status/912486986115633152

Probably the best explanation about this entire issue.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Lad Kulture wrote: »

Yet no one can answer it.

How many brothers kill in Detroit and Chicago so far this year? Where are the protests? Do they not count?

There are African-Americans spending every day of their lives working to turn kids away from gangs and drugs, people putting themselves in serious physical danger to try and combat violence, with very little resources.

And yet not one fcuker who gets soooo concerned about black on black crime every time lethal, systemic, consequence free discrimination by an organ of the state is brought up seems to know or care about any of that.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable, it makes me very fcuking bored to read the exact same non-argument every twenty posts.

ancapailldorcha

Rereg troll nuked.

nice_guy80

still yet to see an Irish soccer or rugby player or GAA player make a protest during our anthem

ohnonotgmail

nice_guy80 wrote: »

still yet to see an Irish soccer or rugby player or GAA player make a protest during our anthem

what would they be protesting about?

The_Kew_Tour

The only bad thing is I just wish people took a stand like this against The Bush's and Obama when they were murdering people out in ME and Asia.

Then this weekend most likely would never have happened. But I still respect the Black People and say well done for making a peaceful stand and show how it should be done.

kunst nugget

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what would they be protesting about?

The price of a pint of Guinness going up?

WinnyThePoo

Re reg gonna re reg

tomwaterford

kunst nugget wrote: »

The price of a pint of Guinness going up?

Keep blacks down :pac:



**joke

PopePalpatine

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Re reg gonna re reg

I missed it, did he let some Dennis Reynolds-esque quackery slip out? :pac:

WinnyThePoo

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I missed it, did he let some Dennis Reynolds-esque quackery slip out? :pac:

Something like.. . 'hey everyone! Look over there! Look over there!'

Harry Palmr

I completely back the sportsmen and team owners who are putting it up to Donald Trumpton as that is now what's happening. It's no longer really about trigger happy cops it's about the people v the President

Richard Hillman

VinLieger wrote: »

The owner was out there on the field with them during it

BEFORE the anthem

Billy86

Richard Hillman wrote: »

BEFORE the anthem

Can we see this quote of Jerry Jones saying he would cut anyone who kneeled during the anthem?

Ulysses Gaze

Billy86 wrote: »

Can we see this quote of Jerry Jones saying he would cut anyone who kneeled during the anthem?

It's fake news

http://https://sports.yahoo.com/kneeling-cowboys-debunked-popular-fake-news-meme-featuring-jerry-jones-030937782.html

Call Me Jimmy

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The only bad thing is I just wish people took a stand like this against The Bush's and Obama when they were murdering people out in ME and Asia.

Then this weekend most likely would never have happened. But I still respect the Black People and say well done for making a peaceful stand and show how it should be done.

The odd thing is that there are so many things to kneel for, soon everyone will be kneeling and standing will have to become the new protest #circleoflife

Outlaw Pete

Jelle1880 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Blueraydre/status/912486986115633152

Probably the best explanation about this entire issue.

That "explanation" is nothing but 24 caret bullshit!

We already know the reasons behind why it went from a sit out to taking a knee and we already know there were calls for more peaceful BLM protests.

All that was added there was to ask: What is really angering white people? The fact that they're all racists who think that black people have it good enough!?

And you call THAT the "best explanation about this entire issue"!? Are you for real??

MonkieSocks

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

The odd thing is that there are so many things to kneel for, soon everyone will be kneeling and standing will have to become the new protest #circleoflife

I Pray for that, every day

Billy86

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It's fake news

http://https://sports.yahoo.com/kneeling-cowboys-debunked-popular-fake-news-meme-featuring-jerry-jones-030937782.html

Cheers for that, I had missed that meme!

And as pointed out by someone else, they were roundly booed in Arizona for kneeling before the anthem, which really did expose a lot of anti-protest fans' claiming it was due to "disrespecting the troops" to be a cowardly lie as they got on the Cowboys about it too.

Ulysses Gaze

Billy86 wrote: »

Cheers for that, I had missed that meme!

And as pointed out by someone else, they were roundly booed in Arizona for kneeling before the anthem, which really did expose a lot of anti-protest fans' claiming it was due to "disrespecting the troops" to be a cowardly lie as they got on the Cowboys about it too.

I'm no fan of Jerry Jones and his ego, but it was ****ing disgusting the way he was portayed in that meme.

That is the problem with the internet I guess.

Jelle1880

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That "explanation" is nothing but 24 caret bullshit!

We already know the reasons behind why it went from a sit out to taking a knee and we already know there were calls for more peaceful BLM protests.

All that was added there was to ask: What is really angering white people? The fact that they're all racists who think that black people have it good enough!?

And you call THAT the "best explanation about this entire issue"!? Are you for real??

Clearly, otherwise I wouldn't have said it.

And if you'd actually bothered to watch the video you'd have seen that it's not some rant about how all white people are racist, but about how those that seem mighty upset about this probably are. Or at the very least how they don't want to have the fact that racism is still alive and kicking to be thrown into their face. It might make them uncomfortable after all, and we don't want that.
It also shows that all these fake reasons about how they're disrespecting the anthem or flag or some other bull**** are exactly that: Bull****.

Basically they want the good black boys to be quiet and thankful. The fact that now white Conservatives like Jerry Jones are joining in is blowing their narrow collective minds.

The_Kew_Tour

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

The odd thing is that there are so many things to kneel for, soon everyone will be kneeling and standing will have to become the new protest #circleoflife

Even if I was against this protest I would still admire the way they have went about it. No rioting or shooting on the streets or blowing up people.

This is how you demonstrate and well done to the Black People in America for showing the way it should be done and how its much more efficient and sends out more powerful message.

WinnyThePoo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That "explanation" is nothing but 24 caret bullshit!

We already know the reasons behind why it went from a sit out to taking a knee and we already know there were calls for more peaceful BLM protests.

All that was added there was to ask: What is really angering white people? The fact that they're all racists who think that black people have it good enough!?

And you call THAT the "best explanation about this entire issue"!? Are you for real??

What are you so afraid of?

Why is it making you so angry?

Give me some honesty baby.

Billy86

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I'm no fan of Jerry Jones and his ego, but it was ****ing disgusting the way he was portayed in that meme.

That is the problem with the internet I guess.

I've warmed to him a -small- bit in more recent years but am generally not a fan either. The thing is though, the guy does seem to be the type of owners who genuinely makes the effort to know his players (they nearly always refer to him on a first name basis in interviews, and vice versa) and they always seem really happy to play for him (on top of the money first and foremost, of course!) because of how well he gets on with them and his attitude to generally let players do their own thing - even to detriment at times like in the 90s. The agreement being that you're performing on the field of course, but he does actually appear generally very well in tune with and quite considerate of his players wants and needs; very much a 'players owner'.

Basically, that meme must have just been like a red flag to a bull for the guy.

Outlaw Pete

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And if you'd actually bothered to watch the video.......

If I didn't watch the video, how the hell would I know that he asked if people were really anger about the taking the knee protest because they think black people have it good enough? Am I physic or something?

.......you'd have seen that it's not some rant about how all white people are racist, but about how those that seem mighty upset about this probably are.

Eh, don't put words in my mouth please, I said he posed that question about those who have expressed anger at the protest:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

All that was added there was to ask: What is really angering white people? The fact that they're all racists who think that black people have it good enough!?

Look, if you think what that guy said is the "best explanation about this entire issue" then you're extremely misinformed. The American flag is symbolic of America and these people are choosing to disrespect it at an International level. There are many black people who are disgusted by what they are doing. Do they think 'blacks have it good enough already' too? It's a preposterous bloody argument to make and totally sidesteps the real reason that people were booing them.

If the Irish football team did similar I would be saying the same and that's even if they had a legitimate gripe. These people do not. Police Brutality in America is a huge issue for all races, not just black people.

Jelle1880

There has not been one single actual proof that they are disrespecting their flag. It's absolute nonsense.
In fact, he makes some great points about how things like holding the flag horizontal (done at many sporting events in the US) or wearing clothes in the flag pattern is literally disrespecting it, but protesting how these players are doing isn't.

You can't force someone to stand for an anthem either.
I also don't think they have ever said that police brutality is a black-only thing, have they ? They are merely focusing on how their community is affected by it. If other people of other ethnicities wanted to do it I'm sure they'd be more than welcome to do so.

Beefy78

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Look, if you think what that guy said is the "best explanation about this entire issue" then you're extremely misinformed. The American flag is symbolic of America and these people are choosing to disrespect it at an International level.

They're not disrespecting the flag. They're not disrespecting the US military. Do you know how I know? Because the people doing the kneeling are telling us exactly what they are doing and why they're doing it.

Christy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If I didn't watch the video, how the hell would I know that he asked if people were really anger about the taking the knee protest because they think black people have it good enough? Am I physic or something?



Eh, don't put words in my mouth please, I said he posed that question about those who have expressed anger at the protest:



Look, if you think what that guy said is the "best explanation about this entire issue" then you're extremely misinformed. The American flag is symbolic of America and these people are choosing to disrespect it at an International level. There are many black people who are disgusted by what they are doing. Do they think 'blacks have it good enough already' too? It's a preposterous bloody argument to make and totally sidesteps the real reason that people were booing them.

If the Irish football team did similar I would be saying the same and that's even if they had a legitimate gripe. These people do not. Police Brutality in America is a huge issue for all races, not just black people.

How did the Cowboys who were booed by the crowd and called out by Trump disrespect America? They very carefully avoided kneeling during the anthem. The explanation that they were booed because of disrespecting the anthem or the flag does not hold up there.

I thought we were past the I have found a person of relevant minority who disagrees with this movement trope and yet it keeps getting trotted out.

Dick phelan

As my post history will suggest i have no time for people who find offense at the smallest things and how try to shut down debate because of this, i say this is someone who can be quite right wing on many things Trump and his supporters are the biggest snowflakes going, Donald is the definition of a man who can dish it out but not take it, his supporters claim free speech in support of a bunch of neo nazi's but a group of black men engaging in a totally peaceful protest should be stopped "traitors" ect,

Just how does Trump and his supporters want the players to protest? The respect our troops is a smoke screen the reality is they are against any protest which does not conform to their world view, it is amazing those who only recently were using cries of free speech and liberty to validate their horiffic views are the exact people clearly most against these values. Trump is by a distance the worst US president ever a man literally against free speech, a man so thin skinned while North Korea threaten Nuclear war he is more concerned with a group of young athletes having a peaceful protest a disgrace to America and to it's values please god the orange buffoon won't be in office much longer.

JRant

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That "explanation" is nothing but 24 caret bullshit!

We already know the reasons behind why it went from a sit out to taking a knee and we already know there were calls for more peaceful BLM protests.

All that was added there was to ask: What is really angering white people? The fact that they're all racists who think that black people have it good enough!?

And you call THAT the "best explanation about this entire issue"!? Are you for real??

Yeah Pete, it was a load of predicable tosh really. Let's be honest here, the main reason for the protests this weekend were because Trump went after the NFL as a whole and tried to dictate to them what they should be doing. That don't wash with the players or the owners and I agree with them on this.

As for that closing segment, well that's just plain aul racism dressed up in a suit. Surely the fans have the same right to protest as the players. I mean if we are talking of peaceful protests booing players kneeling for your national anthem seems reasonable enough to me. Both sides have the right to protest as they see fit. He doesn't even know the demographic of the people booing but uses race to castigate them. You couldn't make this shït up.

A lot of those fans would have lost family members or served in the military themselves. The flag and anthem means something completely different to them and their opinions should be respected as much as the players who protest the terrible inequality black communities face.

Christy42

JRant wrote: »

Yeah Pete, it was a load of predicable tosh really. Let's be honest here, the main reason for the protests this weekend were because Trump went after the NFL as a whole and tried to dictate to them what they should be doing. That don't wash with the players or the owners and I agree with them on this.

As for that closing segment, well that's just plain aul racism dressed up in a suit. Surely the fans have the same right to protest as the players. I mean if we are talking of peaceful protests booing players kneeling for your national anthem seems reasonable enough to me. Both sides have the right to protest as they see fit. He doesn't even know the demographic of the people booing but uses race to castigate them. You couldn't make this shït up.

A lot of those fans would have lost family members or served in the military themselves. The flag and anthem means something completely different to them and their opinions should be respected as much as the players who protest the terrible inequality black communities face.

Why did they boo the Cowboys? They stood for the anthem.

Army_of_One

ManBaby Trump has a beef with the NFL.....no surprise as he's a petulant fuktard

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-long-love-hate-relationship-with-football-and-pro-sports

JRant

Christy42 wrote: »

Why did they boo the Cowboys? They stood for the anthem.

I can only guess really but maybe they thought they were going to remain kneeling for the anthem. Either way they were perfectly entitled to protest if they wanted too.