Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

FarmerBrowne

Had the misfortune of having to listen to about a minute of this a few minutes ago, all she was doing was babbling on about Gay Byrne calling her Dr. Kelly, she is truly insufferable and has serious notions of herself.

Tell me how

FarmerBrowne wrote: »

Had the misfortune of having to listen to about a minute of this a few minutes ago, all she was doing was babbling on about Gay Byrne calling her Dr. Kelly, she is truly insufferable and has serious notions of herself.

FFS, I'm in the US and I can see from here the entire country is talking about Gay Byrne.

Maybe you should carry a warning bracelet or necklace, 'Don't expose this person to Lunchtime Live on Newstalk - Irrespective of content, they will break out in righteous indignation'.
I don't know where you were 'exposed' to the show but maybe talk to the shop or business and they'll turn it off for you. Nobody should have to tolerate something which they find so difficult to handle.

BPKS

Tell me how wrote: »

FFS, I'm in the US and I can see from here the entire country is talking about Gay Byrne.

Maybe you should carry a warning bracelet or necklace, 'Don't expose this person to Lunchtime Live on Newstalk - Irrespective of content, they will break out in righteous indignation'.
I don't know where you were 'exposed' to the show but maybe talk to the shop or business and they'll turn it off for you. Nobody should have to tolerate something which they find so difficult to handle.

Maybe take a leaf out of your own book and stop reading the radio forum so:rolleyes:

Tell me how

BPKS wrote: »

Maybe take a leaf out of your own book and stop reading the radio forum so:rolleyes:

It's too much fun.

Ol' Donie

I have to admit, I think Ciara has come on a great deal recently. I used to turn off after Pat, but recently I've found her show much more relaxed or something. I tend not to stick around for the heavier topics - although that's not saying they shouldn't be covered - but I have found myself quite enjoying the lighter stuff lately.

Stargazer7

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I have to admit, I think Ciara has come on a great deal recently. I used to turn off after Pat, but recently I've found her show much more relaxed or something. I tend not to stick around for the heavier topics - although that's not saying they shouldn't be covered - but I have found myself quite enjoying the lighter stuff lately.

Yup, agreed. I enjoyed her at the very beginning (simply because she was a change and I was interested to see how she found her feet), but I really found her grating for a period in the middle. I think she was trying to establish herself in her own right and was simply trying too hard.

Sometimes I still find the content irritating or boring / repetitive but I think that has something more to do with the time slot of the show and its difficulty finding its own place in the schedule. Moncrieff is pretty established as the king of the off the wall interview pieces, with some interesting international bits thrown in, while PK covers current affairs in the morning. To be honest the bit I'm really surprised with is how calm / cool she is dealing with the call ins on a Friday. I can imagine as a reasonably newcomer it must be pretty daunting.

Scott Tenorman

Anybody hear her today saying she punched a guy who tried to put his hand up her skirt over the bonnet of a car!

Lol I’m pretty sure that didn’t happen (not the skirt part, the Tyson-type punch!)

nullzero

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

Anybody hear her today saying she punched a guy who tried to put his hand up her skirt over the bonnet of a car!

Lol I’m pretty sure that didn’t happen (not the skirt part, the Tyson-type punch!)

She must have gotten him square in the patriarchy.

Del.Monte

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

Anybody hear her today saying she punched a guy who tried to put his hand up her skirt over the bonnet of a car!

Lol I’m pretty sure that didn’t happen (not the skirt part, the Tyson-type punch!)

You must be new here? That story has grown hairs on it it's so old, and she has wheeled it out several times previously. You'll be telling us next that you didn't know she has four children.


In fairness, I have recently found Ciara more acceptable to listen to but inevitably she comes out with something that makes me switch the radio off.

EmmetSpiceland

Del.Monte wrote: »

You must be new here? That story has grown hairs on it it's so old, and she has wheeled it out several times previously. You'll be telling us next that you didn't know she has four children.

In fairness, I have recently found Ciara more acceptable to listen to but inevitably she comes out with something that makes me switch the radio off.

To be fair, the story was relevant to the topic. I actually did manage to catch that segment and envisioned the knuckles whitening of the “note takers” listening in.

My issue has always been with the format of the show as opposed to Dr. Kelly, herself. I, honestly, believe that more of the same “current affairs” topics discussed with informed guests instead of call in chats with the “average” punter.

It can be an incredibly painful listen at times.

dominatinMC

Was a passenger in a colleagues car yesterday, and he had Pat Kenny on, which transitioned to Ciara Kelly at the midday mark. It was the first time in a while that I listened to a sustained period of the show. Not much has changed! The segment was based around a schools decision to eliminate homework, and people were phoning-in expressing their opinions on the matter. No issue with that, that's the format of the show after all. However, Ciara was as frustrating as ever in that she could not stop herself from constantly interjecting, talking over her guests, expressing her own opinion over-and-over. It was fairly annoying as a listener, so I can only imagine what it's like for the callers. Ciara must have been neglected as a child or something (maybe an only child)...

EmmetSpiceland

Susan Keogh sitting in for Ciara today.

I’m a fan of her as a presenter but, as I’ve stated previously on the site, that may be down to the feelings she arouses in me. And that’s without having seen what she looks like.

She’s wasted in that breakfast show on the weekends. They really should do away with that “home show” and the “stocks and shares” one with Vincent Wall. Or at least move them to late in the evening.

omerin

what a complete and utter asshole of the highest order

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/vicky-phelan-hits-back-at-newstalks-ciara-kelly-over-article-before-she-quits-twitter/ar-BBXstGx?ocid=spartanntp

meeeeh

omerin wrote: »

what a complete and utter asshole of the highest order

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/vicky-phelan-hits-back-at-newstalks-ciara-kelly-over-article-before-she-quits-twitter/ar-BBXstGx?ocid=spartanntp

Vicky Phelan? That is a bit rude.

Ciara Kelly is right. If you sue every time something is missed in a test where there is high chance of mistake they will just stop screening because nobody will do it and no insurance will cover laboratories to do tests from Ireland. If the lasting legacy of this scandal is that women in Ireland can't avail of life saving tests because no provider wants to risk being hounded through courts then it will cause immeasurable damage Irish women and their families.

Faugheen

meeeeh wrote: »

Vicky Phelan? That is a bit rude.

Ciara Kelly is right. If you sue every time something is missed in a test where there is high chance of mistake they will just stop screening because nobody will do it and no insurance will cover laboratories to do tests from Ireland. If the lasting legacy of this scandal is that women in Ireland can't avail of life saving tests because no provider wants to risk being hounded through courts then it will cause immeasurable damage Irish women and their families.

‘Something is missed in a test’

These women have terminal cancer, and some have already died. To downplay it like you have is completely disingenuous.

These women will miss the chance to see their kids hit many milestones. You tell Emma Mhic Mhathuna’s kids she shouldn’t have done the best thing she could for her family and she’s no longer around to defend herself.

I’ve defended Ciara a lot here but she’s is very wide of the mark on this one. If people didn’t sue then we would never have found out just how awful a system CervicalCheck is in the first place because the HSE didn’t want to be held liable, then they absolutely are.

sydthebeat

meeeeh wrote: »

Ciara Kelly is right. .

shes obviously not

If you sue every time something is missed in a test where there is high chance of mistake

if you think thats what was being sued for, then you dont understand the case that was taken.

a review which uncovered the false negative result of Ms Phelan’s smear test was undertaken by the CervicalCheck screening programme in 2014, but this was not communicated to Ms Phelan until 2017

the state settled vicky phelans case for 2.5 million.

the state certainly saw there was liability to answer for.

plodder

Faugheen wrote: »

how awful a system CervicalCheck is ..

How many lives have been saved by this awful system? You don't tend to hear about them.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

Vicky Phelan? That is a bit rude.

Ciara Kelly is right. If you sue every time something is missed in a test where there is high chance of mistake they will just stop screening because nobody will do it and no insurance will cover laboratories to do tests from Ireland. If the lasting legacy of this scandal is that women in Ireland can't avail of life saving tests because no provider wants to risk being hounded through courts then it will cause immeasurable damage Irish women and their families.

We're not talking about the odd test or two, we're talking about misdiagnosis on a mass scale.

Faugheen

plodder wrote: »

How many lives have been saved by this awful system? You don't tend to hear about them.

Actually that’s all we heard about it until circa 2017 when we found out the HSE was trying to bury all the negative stuff and take no responsibility for it, resulting in hundreds of women being misdiagnosed and in some cases dying.

meeeeh

Faugheen wrote: »

‘Something is missed in a test’

These women have terminal cancer, and some have already died. To downplay it like you have is completely disingenuous.

These women will miss the chance to see their kids hit many milestones. You tell Emma Mhic Mhathuna’s kids she shouldn’t have done the best thing she could for her family and she’s no longer around to defend herself.

Legal system is not there to reimburse bereaved relatives. There are two separate problems, one is the lack of communication around tests and results that were missed and hiding the mistake from patient. That should be penalized. The other issue is to expect 100% accuracy when that simply isn't possible. When lawyers are predicting future claims because the second check of slides came to different conclusion after they already knew they were looking at tests of women who later developed cervical cancer. Ruth Morrissey's lawsuit is challenged precisely for that reason. Her win would mean many more women will miss seeing their children grow up because nobody will be prepared to conduct the tests. In the same way as people suing for slipping in playcentes caused a closure of many due to lack of insurance.

plodder

Faugheen wrote: »

Actually that’s all we heard about it until circa 2017 when we found out the HSE was trying to bury all the negative stuff and take no responsibility for it, resulting in hundreds of women being misdiagnosed and in some cases dying.

But if we didn't have the screening program then they wouldn't have been diagnosed either, along with thousands more.

EmmetSpiceland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're not talking about the odd test or two, we're talking about misdiagnosis on a mass scale.

And the fact they knew but didn’t say anything. They should get an agreed payment and not have to go through the courts at all.

bmc58

dominatinMC wrote: »

Was a passenger in a colleagues car yesterday, and he had Pat Kenny on, which transitioned to Ciara Kelly at the midday mark. It was the first time in a while that I listened to a sustained period of the show. Not much has changed! The segment was based around a schools decision to eliminate homework, and people were phoning-in expressing their opinions on the matter. No issue with that, that's the format of the show after all. However, Ciara was as frustrating as ever in that she could not stop herself from constantly interjecting, talking over her guests, expressing her own opinion over-and-over. It was fairly annoying as a listener, so I can only imagine what it's like for the callers. Ciara must have been neglected as a child or something (maybe an only child)...

And the twenty or so times that she tells listeners that she was a doctor.

jackboy

Faugheen wrote: »

Actually that’s all we heard about it until circa 2017 when we found out the HSE was trying to bury all the negative stuff and take no responsibility for it, resulting in hundreds of women being misdiagnosed and in some cases dying.

The main issue is with communication. The cervical smear program is highly successful and has saved many lives. It is just a cheap rough test though. It was known from the start that there would be many false negative results. It is ridiculous that anyone could get a payout over one of these false negative tests.

CatFromHue

Deleted User wrote: »

We're not talking about the odd test or two, we're talking about misdiagnosis on a mass scale.

Scally's report said the screening system was operating on a par with other systems worldwide. He did not say there were issues with the effectiveness of the screening. He did say there were major issues with disclosure.

Also screening is screening, it's not a diagnostic. There is a huge difference.

crossman47

Deleted User wrote: »

We're not talking about the odd test or two, we're talking about misdiagnosis on a mass scale.

We are not. That is to totally misunderstand the issue. This is a screening service that has saved many lives. Ciara kelly is right - if every test must be 100% reliable then the service will be unaffordable.

Parkender

There’s a lot more to this than just the odd easily misread screening result. I’d suggest some on here wait for the RCOG report to be published (18th Dec) before endorsing what she wrote in the Sindo.

sydthebeat

jackboy wrote: »

It is ridiculous that anyone could get a payout over one of these false negative tests.

The payouts are not due to the false negative results

Parkender

meeeeh wrote: »

Legal system is not there to reimburse bereaved relatives. There are two separate problems, one is the lack of communication around tests and results that were missed and hiding the mistake from patient. That should be penalized. The other issue is to expect 100% accuracy when that simply isn't possible. When lawyers are predicting future claims because the second check of slides came to different conclusion after they already knew they were looking at tests of women who later developed cervical cancer. Ruth Morrissey's lawsuit is challenged precisely for that reason. Her win would mean many more women will miss seeing their children grow up because nobody will be prepared to conduct the tests. In the same way as people suing for slipping in playcentes caused a closure of many due to lack of insurance.

Please don’t compare women’s lives with tissue injuries. Have some respect.

generalgerry

crossman47 wrote: »

We are not. That is to totally misunderstand the issue. This is a screening service that has saved many lives. Ciara kelly is right - if every test must be 100% reliable then the service will be unaffordable.

Well I made this point when the scandal first happened. How can the Goverment be expected to be 100% responsible for a test that is acknowledged to not be 100% reliable. They should have pulled the test immediately and re-evaluated, but they wouldn't have had the balls to do something like that.

I see there is a big row now between Vicky Phelan and Ciara Kelly.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/i-take-offence--vicky-phelan-hits-back-at-ciara-kellys-disrespectful-cervicalcheck-article-966975.html

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I do worry that the scheme will become unaffordable due to the rising costs of compensation.
It's along the same lines as why car insurance is becoming unaffordable, or why many planned cultural events are being cancelled, or why rock climbing centres are being closed ect.
The legal system is crippling the rest of society with costs that are simply not sustainable.

I believe the HSE has behaved in bad faith with regards to the testing. I also believe as an organisation they make many mess ups all the time, and always will.

I think that people need to take a step back from the emotional argument that this story brings. And look at the bigger picture of what is best for society. Do we want these screenings to continue or not? Because if the state and insurance companies pay out 100's of millions in compensation there will be no choice available but to shut it down. Which will negatively impact many more women long into the future.

sydthebeat

Insurance would be only paid out if its deemed the system were liable in some way.

Not being 100% accurate is not a case to be liable for, they don't claim to be 100% accurate.

However they are (or at least should be) liable for miscommunications, delaying and obfuscation.... Which is what they were sued for, and why some cases were settled.

We should expect the companies doing these tests to be held to the highest standards, as it is peoples lives at stake.

They fell well short of these standards

plodder

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I do worry that the scheme will become unaffordable due to the rising costs of compensation.
It's along the same lines as why car insurance is becoming unaffordable, or why many planned cultural events are being cancelled, or why rock climbing centres are being closed ect.
The legal system is crippling the rest of society with costs that are simply not sustainable.

I believe the HSE has behaved in bad faith with regards to the testing. I also believe as an organisation they make many mess ups all the time, and always will.

I think that people need to take a step back from the emotional argument that this story brings. And look at the bigger picture of what is best for society. Do we want these screenings to continue or not? Because if the state and insurance companies pay out 100's of millions in compensation there will be no choice available but to shut it down. Which will negatively impact many more women long into the future.

I was reading about the case in the UK which set the standard for these compensation awards used here also. Granted it was 20 years ago, but the expected awards were "in the region of £20,000 to £50,000" as compared with €2.5 million in the recent case here. It's no wonder that doctors are so concerned about the effect on health budgets.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/nov/17/sarahboseley

meeeeh

Parkender wrote: »

Please don’t compare women’s lives with tissue injuries. Have some respect.

I didn't so you can keep your outrage to yourself.

CatFromHue

sydthebeat wrote: »

We should expect the companies doing these tests to be held to the highest standards, as it is peoples lives at stake.

They fell well short of these standards

In Scally's report he said they were operating to within international norms.

Parkender

meeeeh wrote: »

I didn't so you can keep your outrage to yourself.

Yes you did - you’ve compared this scandal to public liability insurance in play centres. And I won’t keep my outrage to myself when this scandal has touched my immediate family and I know the problems and costs we have been confronted with in trying to get the truth first and foremost. Now go back to throwing stones.

PhoneMain

sydthebeat wrote: »

We should expect the companies doing these tests to be held to the highest standards, as it is peoples lives at stake.

They fell well short of these standards

I'd like to see your evidence for the above assertion.

Dr Gabriel Scally found no evidence of deficiencies in quality assurance at any of these labs.

Robert McGrath

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're not talking about the odd test or two, we're talking about misdiagnosis on a mass scale.

This comment shows why Ciara Kelly’s article was necessary to educate the public. Screening is not diagnosis

meeeeh

Parkender wrote: »

Yes you did - you’ve compared this scandal to public liability insurance in play centres. And I won’t keep my outrage to myself when this scandal has touched my immediate family and I know the problems and costs we have been confronted with in trying to get the truth first and foremost. Now go back to throwing stones.

No I didn't, I pointed out ho insurance works and services won't be provided if insurance doesn't cover them.

I'm sorry for your family but that doesn't make your response any more rational.

Professor Genius

https://m.independent.ie/style/sex-relationships/dr-ciara-kelly-why-are-so-many-loving-couples-not-having-sex-38742197.html

Oh er Missus that’s a touch steamy ! Cock rings ?

limnam

Professor Genius wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/style/sex-relationships/dr-ciara-kelly-why-are-so-many-loving-couples-not-having-sex-38742197.html

Oh er Missus that’s a touch steamy ! Cock rings ?

Was on the show recently too


car crash radio.

nullzero

Professor Genius wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/style/sex-relationships/dr-ciara-kelly-why-are-so-many-loving-couples-not-having-sex-38742197.html

Oh er Missus that’s a touch steamy ! Cock rings ?

Maybe she's launching her own brand?
"Doctor Kelly's old fashioned cock rings"

Professor Genius

limnam wrote: »

Was on the show recently too


car crash radio.

Is Mr Ciara Kelly not up to the task these days ?

limnam

Professor Genius wrote: »

Is Mr Ciara Kelly not up to the task these days ?

With her interruptions I'd say he never gets to finish anything

Professor Genius

limnam wrote: »

With her interruptions I'd say he never gets to finish anything

He tends to keep his head down. With this kind of gibberish flowing from his missus it’s no surprise.

Tell me how

Professor Genius wrote: »

He tends to keep his head down. With this kind of gibberish flowing from his missus it’s no surprise.

Whats gibberish about discussing people lacking intimacy?

limnam

Tell me how wrote: »

Whats gibberish about discussing people lacking intimacy?

You obviously missed the segment.

meeeeh

Was this thread suddenly invaded by spotty teenagers giggling about sex. Mention a cock ring and hilarity ensues.

Del.Monte

Unreal, three bleeding hearts already on virtually wanting Lisa Smith to be given a hero's welcome. 'God Bless' her said one caller. On to the Late Late Show and Mammy Finucane next, and then the book, and the movie. Makes me want to spew.

SEPT 23 1989

well done Margaret you absolute clown