Saudi Arabia to allow women to drive

AMKC

About time too.

ceadaoin.

Saudi women need permission from a male relative to work (and what they are able to work as is dictated by the government), study, marry, seek medical treatment or leave the country. They are unable to safely report rape or domestic abuse without facing repercussions. They might not be legally required to have a chaperone but going out is seen as an invitation to be harrassed. It's extremely difficult to walk the streets safely

If the country was really serious about women's rights they would work on reducing the power men have over the women in their lives. This ruling is just a PR stunt to keep the Western world happy. I mean, it's a small step sure but a lot more needs to change

smurfjed

Saudi women need permission from a male relative to work, study, marry or leave the country. They might not be legally required to have a chaperone but going out is seen as an invitation to be harrassed. It's extremely difficult to walk the streets safely

Where are you getting your information from ? You will find that it’s wrong.

ceadaoin.

smurfjed wrote: »

Where are you getting your information from ? You will find that it’s wrong.

What is wrong?

From Wikipedia

Under Saudi law, all females must have a male guardian (wali), typically a father, brother, husband or uncle (mahram). Girls and women are forbidden from traveling, conducting official business, or undergoing certain medical procedures without permission from their male guardians.[42]


Women need their guardian's permission for:

marriage and divorce;
travel.
education;
employment;
opening a bank account;
elective surgery, particularly when sexual in nature.
The official law, if not the custom, requiring a guardian's permission for a woman to seek employment was repealed in 2008.[19][24][43][44][45][46]

In 2012 the Saudi Arabian government implemented a new policy to help with the enforcement on the traveling restrictions for women. Under this new policy, Saudi Arabian men receive a text message on their mobile phones whenever a woman under their custody leaves the country, even if she is traveling with her guardian. Saudi Arabian feminist activist Manal al-Sharif commented that "[t]his is technology used to serve backwardness in order to keep women imprisoned".[47]

Also


https://web.archive.org/web/20140109161037/http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/saudi-arabia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/saudi-arabia-urged-ditch-male-guardianship-law-lifting-ban-female/

Just Google 'harassment of women in Saudi Arabia' to see that it is widespread

smurfjed

The country is changing but changing at their pace.....
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/01/223790.html
https://eturbonews.com/1900/saudi-women-traveling-solo-can-now-stay-hotels
http://www.gulf-insider.com/saudi-king-orders-women-no-longer-need-mans-permission-travel-study-make-police-complaints/
You only need to look at the malls and restaurants to see the amount of women that are alone just like any other country. ITs also interesting to note the number of younger females who don't cover their heads at all.
In fact, non-Moslems are now allowed into the city of Madinah, this was a total taboo up until a few months ago.

pickarooney

Hammer89 wrote: »

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ceadaoin.

smurfjed wrote: »

The country is changing but changing at their pace.....
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/01/223790.html
https://eturbonews.com/1900/saudi-women-traveling-solo-can-now-stay-hotels
http://www.gulf-insider.com/saudi-king-orders-women-no-longer-need-mans-permission-travel-study-make-police-complaints/
You only need to look at the malls and restaurants to see the amount of women that are alone just like any other country. ITs also interesting to note the number of younger females who don't cover their heads at all.
In fact, non-Moslems are now allowed into the city of Madinah, this was a total taboo up until a few months ago.

So what was the wrong information in my post then? The headline of one of those articles you quoted reads "Saudi king orders that women no longer need a man’s permission to travel, study or make police complaints", yet the article actually says

Salman has issued an order allowing women to benefit from government services such as education and healthcare without the consent of a male guardian.

This means women could, in some circumstances, study and access hospital treatment, work in the public and private sector and represent themselves in court without a guardian’s consent

So it seems like they do in fact need consent to travel and marry and only in "some circumstances" can they access medical treatment, study and work without permission.

If the male guardianship system no longer exists then why are we seeing articles such as the one today from the telegraph calling for it to be ended?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/saudi-arabia-urged-ditch-male-guardianship-law-lifting-ban-female/

Hammer89

Let's get back to insurance-related puns.

QuoteWhiteDevil.ie :cool:

Madagascan

Wonder if they will be allowed to drive themselves to attend their own flogging.
For the crime of getting raped etc.
And this Country actually has a place on the the UN human rights council.
Beyond a joke.