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110 v transformer

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  • 27-09-2017 12:29pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭


    Have a machine from the USA and had a transformer with it but its blown up
    Called the manufacturer but they told me the wont have them anymore but the ones they can get are almost the same prize as the machine itself
    So they sent me this message/details of the transformer I had

    The input on the machine is 120 VAC which is the standard North American Continent residential line voltage.
    The transformer was a 220 VAC 50/60 Hz input to 110 VAC step down transformer which has been discontinued

    My question is : can I use a transformer for it they use here in Ireland on construction sites or do I have to search further for it ??

    And if so the wiring its black to brown, and white to blue and green to green yellow I think??


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    construction transformers are really

    55v----0----55v with the 0 tied to the earth

    may or may not suit the machine you have


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    As stated the Reduced Low Voltage (RLV) system (for the single phase variant) is really split phase, i.e. there are two phase conductors and no neutral. Also the frequency will be 50Hz rather than 60Hz used in the USA. They also have different ratings for continuous use and intermittent use. Really they are for portable tools etc. and not designed for your application.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭DublinDilbert


    You need to identify what the power usage of your machine is (in watts or VA) so a suitable transformer can be selected. A site transformer may work, but you will first needs to see if it can deliver your power requirements.


  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    US are 60hertz.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    As stated the Reduced Low Voltage (RLV) system (for the single phase variant) is really split phase, i.e. there are two phase conductors and no neutral.

    That will make no difference to the operation of the washing machine.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭crossmolinalad


    Found a converter from 220 50 hz (EU) to 110v 60 hz 32 AMPS (USA) at amazon today
    Going to order it tomorrow and try it out


  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Transformers have a high quiescent.
    A 3.5kVA SST uses aboot 300W no load. Toroidals are better.

    I wouldn't leave one on all the time.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    A 3.5kVA SST uses aboot 300W no load.

    That sounds a tad high to me. I would guess no load power consumption to be closer to 30W than 300W.


  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    7dP4NrM.jpg
    Core Losses

    My mains is usually >245V.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Core Losses

    My mains is usually >245V.

    What units are the multimeter displaying ?


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  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Primary AC Current 1.114A


  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The meter's plugged through my home-brew Kill-a-milliWatt

    DSC_2005_zps2xtj8fmz.jpg
    :D


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Primary AC Current 1.114A

    This is at a very poor power factor, in the order of 0.1 to 0.2 due to the inductive nature of the windings. Therefore the power (in watts) is not simply the current x voltage.

    In your case it would be about 245 x 1.1 x 0.1 = 27W or thereabouts

    See link:

    http://eratechnology071.blogspot.ie/2013/09/during-no-load-why-power-factor-of.html?m=1


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Back to the OP:
    Found a converter from 220 50 hz (EU) to 110v 60 hz 32 AMPS (USA) at amazon today
    Going to order it tomorrow and try it out

    That is not what I would do. Compared to a transformer which is a passive device this is a sophisticated piece of kit. Most likely this will mean that it is either:
    A) Inexpensive and low quality.
    B) Expensive.

    The advantage of this piece of kit is that it will provide a 60 Hz output, however your first post seems to suggest that 50 Hz will work. My advice would be to get this clarified by the manufacturer (i.e. will the machine work with a 50 Hz supply?).

    What type of a machine is it?? Does it contain a motor?

    A few other things worth noting:

    ● Many site transformers are only rated for a couple of hours of use, they should not be left switched on 24/7

    ● Switching on a transformer of this size often causes the upstream MCB to trip (due to large inrush current). Using a different type of MCB may be the solution, this depends on a number of factors.

    ● The fact that most 110V site transformers are center tapped will make no difference to the operation of the machine.

    ● We use a 230V supply in Ireland (not 230V).

    ● Sometimes it is makes sense not to go down this road :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    2011 wrote: »
    That sounds a tad high to me. I would guess no load power consumption to be closer to 30W than 300W.

    Yes nothing like 300w


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