Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Romantic Rose

Hitman3000 wrote: »

That's brilliant for you, however not everyone is in a position to spend hours planning, shopping and cooking. Cutting out the sugary snacks and drinks goes a long way and takes little or no time just a strong will.

A chicken and vegetable stirfry takes 20 minutes to prepare and cook. Not hard to do.

Nutrition is so important for a growing child.

I detest laziness and taking the easy option.

givyjoe

Romantic Rose wrote: »

A chicken and vegetable stirfry takes 20 minutes to prepare and cook. Not hard to do.

Nutrition is so important for a growing child.

I detest laziness and taking the easy option.

So you don't spend hours meticulously shopping for food, planning and preparing meals then..?

Romantic Rose

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Nope, other parents.

Of course I am.

Feeding a little child plates of junk on a regular basis is disgusting and will give them poor health in the future.

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AnneFrank

think you touched a nerve there Rose !!

Wibbs

B0jangles wrote: »

Odd that all of your invented phrases are written in a woman's voice, especially given that the obesity issue is slightly worse among men than it is women.

It is indeed. Personally I would have less sympathy for men who get fat and then own about it. Now I'm not talking about people who are properly obese. IMHO that's more of an actual emotional/psychological illness coming out as weight gain. I mean the guys who are a bit porky, soft around the middle, let themselves go sorta thing. Men have fewer excuses for gaining such weight. We have way more testosterone than women and that hormone builds lean tissue and "burns" fat(in the days when they had eunuchs one of the most obvious signs was weight gain). We have more of that lean tissue and less fatty tissue than women and our hormone profiles don't vary nearly so much during life and we don't get pregnant.

Romantic Rose

givyjoe wrote: »

So you don't spend hours meticulously shopping for food, planning and preparing meals then..?

When I weaned my children in particular, yes I did. Batched cooked healthy meals, into the freezer and cooked as and when I needed them.

I don't cook 20 minute meals every day. My point is , it doesn't take a long time to chop up veg and cook.

Hitman3000

Romantic Rose wrote:

A chicken and vegetable stirfry takes 20 minutes to prepare and cook. Not hard to do.

You said hours planning and shopping, I responded to that not to cooking times but thanks for the tip.

Romantic Rose

AnneFrank wrote: »

think you touched a nerve there Rose !!

Does fat have nerves?

Romantic Rose

Great initiative by the government. Hopefully parents will step up to the plate so to speak and start cooking and eating smarter at home!


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ban-on-high-sugar-fat-and-salt-foods-ahead-for-school-meals-plan-1.3232291%3Fmode=amp

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Hitman3000

Romantic Rose wrote:

Feeding a little child plates of junk on a regular basis is disgusting and will give them poor health in the future.

Do you read anyone here advocating feeding or that they feed a child junk?

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osarusan

The 'it's because they eat too much' argument only goes so far though. It is always true but that doesn't mean it's always illuminating.

There are definitely going to be people who underestimate the calories in their food. Some apparently healthy choices are not healthy at all, and people also overestimate the number of calories that get used by activities and exercise. Even when people know that X is healthy and Y is unhealthy, I think that people often don't know just how unhealthy the unhealthy stuff is too.

But there are others that know all that and are overweight anyway, and don't really care much, they like eating and are happy enough. They don't feel they need help for anything. Purely my own observations, but they are almost never hugely overweight...just not bothered shifting the extra pounds.

And there are people who eat as a reaction to something else, and that underlying cause has to be dealt with. There isn't always going to be an underlying cause, but there sometimes will be, and if eating is a symptom of something else, then that something else needs to be focused on. Again, just my own observations, but the more obese people are, the more I can see an underlying cause behind it.

Romantic Rose

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Do you?

Yes I have great empathy for innocent little children who are weaned onto junk. I am in a position to see what parents put into children's lunch boxes and I think to myself, do you not care about your child and their health.

Nutrition and developing good diet habits early is an integral part of parenting.

Romantic Rose

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It seems to knacker you so much that you neglect your relationship though.

Very mature. Stick to the topic at hand.

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givyjoe

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Very mature. Stick to the topic at hand.

Er, didn't you just reply a few moments ago.. with 'does fat have nerves' ?!

pilly

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Yes I have great empathy for innocent little children who are weaned onto junk. I am in a position to see what parents put into children's lunch boxes and I think to myself, do you not care about your child and their health.

Nutrition and developing good diet habits early is an integral part of parenting.

Must be great being perfect is it Rose? Do you actually know how horrible you sound?

If you're in a position to see what parents put into their childrens lunch boxes I presume you're in a school or something in which case you're not doing your job very well as any school my children ever went to did not allow junk food in lunch boxes.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

It is indeed. Personally I would have less sympathy for men who get fat and then own about it. Now I'm not talking about people who are properly obese. IMHO that's more of an actual emotional/psychological illness coming out as weight gain. I mean the guys who are a bit porky, soft around the middle, let themselves go sorta thing. Men have fewer excuses for gaining such weight. We have way more testosterone than women and that hormone builds lean tissue and "burns" fat(in the days when they had eunuchs one of the most obvious signs was weight gain). We have more of that lean tissue and less fatty tissue than women and our hormone profiles don't vary nearly so much during life and we don't get pregnant.

Yeah there's too many possible things going on to make generalisations (though I still do make snap judgements :pac: ). I'm a lardarse, I'll do well for a few months then I'm back to struggling to get out of bed and being on the verge of tears when a song I know plays in the background of a TV show. :P Bit of food, no activity, back to square one. I'm well beyond soft around the middle and I know how I'd judge me if I met me. It's a pity but sure I think it's going on a decade since I can blame anyone but myself. :P

Romantic Rose

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Youre the one pontificating about spending hours meticulously planning, shopping and cooking meals for children.

While failing to mention that all this work has you knackered.

Part of my parcel of being a parent.

If I wanted an easy life, I could go to Iceland, load the freezer up and throw nutritionally dense chicken nuggets and chips at my children every day.

I'd rather not take the easy road.

I care about their health.

givyjoe

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Yes I have great empathy for innocent little children who are weaned onto junk. I am in a position to see what parents put into children's lunch boxes and I think to myself, do you not care about your child and their health.

Nutrition and developing good diet habits early is an integral part of parenting.

Are you a teacher..? Do you go around each student and meticulously inspect what is in their lunchbox..?!

Diet and good habits are important. So is teaching your child not to be judgmental and condescending towards others.

Nettle Soup

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Of course I am.

Feeding a little child plates of junk on a regular basis is disgusting and will give them poor health in the future.

It's true. The damage caused during childhood is extremely hard to rectify.
Children obese during childhood will likely be obese during adulthood.

It boggles me that most parents choose to ignore the dangers.

SusieBlue

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Part of my parcel of being a parent.

If I wanted an easy life, I could go to Iceland, load the freezer up and throw nutritionally dense chicken nuggets and chips at my children every day.

I'd rather not take the easy road.

I care about their health.

What would be your suggestion for someone like my brother, who has autism and will only eat white solid foods, and will gag, vomit and have a meltdown if food of another colour (aka fruit, veg, and any meat besides chicken) goes near his plate?

I take it if you saw his daily diet you'd be straight on to social services?

Romantic Rose

pilly wrote: »

Must be great being perfect is it Rose? Do you actually know how horrible you sound?

If you're in a position to see what parents put into their childrens lunch boxes I presume you're in a school or something in which case you're not doing your job very well as any school my children ever went to did not allow junk food in lunch boxes.

Not every school is strict about food unfortunately.

I have been in schools that did spot checks on lunch boxes and others who didn't.

How am I horrible, when all I'm pointing out is that I see extremely lazy parents every single day giving their children food that is high in salt and sugar, has zero nutrition.

Children who have rotten teeth and poor health. The poor innocent children. The parents should be ashamed of themselves but they're not.

It has become to common to feed a child so badly.

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AnneFrank

osarusan wrote: »

The 'it's because they eat too much' argument only goes so far though. It is always true but that doesn't mean it's always illuminating.


how bizzare.
It's true, accept it.

Romantic Rose

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Arent you great?

Do you pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how great you are every day?

Of course I do. I'm proud that I care so much about my children and their health that I get up off my fit backside and cook for them.

Nettle Soup

I don't understand why Rose is being targeted here. It's unseemly. Can someone explain?
Does the truth hurt?

whoopsadoodles

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Arent you great?

Do you pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how great you are every day?

Actually she is pretty great. She shouldn't be though, it should be fairly standard.

Children's health and wellbeing should be parents number one priority but it seems for many that's not the case.

Romantic Rose

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Arent you great?

Do you pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how great you are every day?

Just a few months ago you were checking out slimming world and had weight to lose so I guess even perfect people put on a few lb from time to time eh?

I went from 10 stone to 9 after having a baby. Not 22 stone to 21 stone! Thanks for reminding me of my achievements.

Romantic Rose

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I don't understand why Rose is being targeted here. It's unseemly. Can someone explain?
Does the truth hurt?

Precisely. I should be going to Iceland but I ain't. I CARE!

Nettle Soup

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/childhood/en/

Childhood obesity is one of the most serious public health challenges of the 21st century. The problem is global and is steadily affecting many low- and middle-income countries, particularly in urban settings. The prevalence has increased at an alarming rate. Globally, in 2015 the number of overweight children under the age of five, is estimated to be over 42 million. Almost half of all overweight children under 5 lived in Asia and one quarter lived in Africa.


Overweight and obese children are likely to stay obese into adulthood and more likely to develop noncommunicable diseases like diabetes and cardiovascular diseases at a younger age. Overweight and obesity, as well as their related diseases, are largely preventable. Prevention of childhood obesity therefore needs high priority.

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buck65

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Part of my parcel of being a parent.

If I wanted an easy life, I could go to Iceland, load the freezer up and throw nutritionally dense chicken nuggets and chips at my children every day.

I'd rather not take the easy road.

I care about their health.

Rose, I agree with everything you've said here. Everyone is having a go because they "don't have time" to feed, plan and shop like you do.

The truth is most of them take the easy road and that is fair enough as it is quite frankly a chore and another job in busy lives. We all do it now and again but if for the most part we feed our children properly , be sparing with treats to the point where they appreciate them rather than expect them we are a long way down the road to providing a healthy life for them.

Some of these same people that haven't the time or inclination to cook proper meals have the time to be on boards, to watch t.v , to play with their phones etc.

I see the kids in my sons class and their lunches, they laugh at him for eating healthy food - which he enjoys - they tuck into their nutella sandwiches, they are actually borderline bullying in their behaviour - their parents should be ashamed.

givyjoe

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I don't understand why Rose is being targeted here. It's unseemly. Can someone explain?
Does the truth hurt?

Knew someone would eventually trot that out. I don't think she is being targeted at all.. or that the essence of her points are being disagreed with.. i.e. healthy eating.

However, the posts are coming across as someone who seems to be (in their posts!) a stuck up, judgmental, condescending know it all. That sounds allot harsher than I intended it to be, but the poster really isn't coming across well with their attitude. The fact so many, so quickly have taken issue with the posts should be a hint.

Romantic Rose

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So you had excess weight right?

It does happen to people then, even those who meticulously plan, shop for and cook perfect nutritionally complete meals?

Try having a 9 pound baby. He had to go somewhere.

It isn't hard to integrate healthy habits into your week.

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whisky_galore

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Poor cardboard diet. Even parents who look slim and healthy themselves still feed their children crap.

I go out for lunch regularly but I would never give my children chips or pizza or nuggets etc.

It's just lazy and convenience all the way.

I ate ****e food; pre-packaged slices of frozen pizzas with plastic toppings, sweets, chocs, Instant Whip, crisps, sugary stuff, salty stuff.. and so did other kids and iirc the number of kids in national school that were obese back then you could count on one hand.

Nettle Soup

Parent education is the key to solving the obesity epidemic. Bad feeding habits and lack of physical exercise is literally killing our children. The rot has to stop.
It will when parents are willing to learn and we get a mindset change. However, there will be much misery before that happens.

SusieBlue

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I don't understand why Rose is being targeted here. It's unseemly. Can someone explain?
Does the truth hurt?

I think it might be because she is implying that children who she sees eating junk food have parents who neither care nor love them, even though that might have been the only bit of junk food they've had for weeks, even though the child may have a behavioural or health issue which impacts what the parent can get the child to consume, and a variety of other reasons.

Granted some parents feed their children rubbish out of convenience but to say that every child she sees eating a chicken nugget has parents who don't give a sh*t is obviously gonna get peoples backs up.

She seems to do a great job of feeding her own kids a healthy diet and instead of offering advice and tips to other parents, she's making snide comments and insinuating they don't care about their kids. There are kinder ways of going about things than the way she has.

Nettle Soup

whisky_galore wrote: »

I ate ****e food; pre-packaged slices of frozen pizzas with plastic toppings, sweets, chocs, Instant Whip, crisps, sugary stuff, salty stuff.. and so did other kids and iirc the number of kids in national school that were obese back then you could count on one hand.

You were much more active.

You did not have an XBox, tablet, phone, Ipod, 100 TV channels etc etc

Romantic Rose

givyjoe wrote: »

Knew someone would eventually trot that out. I don't think she is being targeted at all.. or that the essence of her points are being disagreed with.. i.e. healthy eating.

However, the posts are coming across as someone who seems to be (in their posts!) a stuck up, judgmental, condescending know it all. That sounds allot harsher than I intended it to be, but the poster really isn't coming across well with their attitude. The fact so many, so quickly have taken issue with the posts should be a hint.

Easily offended because the truth hurts.

I don't know it all but I see it all on a daily basis.

I only have to go to my local play centre and see what kind of food parents serve up to their children.

It's pure and simple the easy option.

My 4 year old has never once being served a chip. I don't feed her highly processed food.

I go to the supermarket and I check labels. If it's processed, it won't be going into my trolley.

Not that hard to do.

Nettle Soup

WhiteRoses wrote: »

I think it might be because she is implying that children who she sees eating junk food have parents who neither care nor love them, even though that might have been the only bit of junk food they've had for weeks, even though the child may have a behavioural or health issue which impacts what the parent can get the child to consume, and a variety of other reasons.

Granted some parents feed their children rubbish out of convenience but to say that every child she sees eating a chicken nugget has parents who don't give a sh*t is obviously gonna get peoples backs up.

She seems to do a great job of feeding her own kids a healthy diet and instead of offering advice and tips to other parents, she's making snide comments and insinuating they don't care about their kids. There are kinder ways of going about things than the way she has.

1 in 4 Irish children are overweight.

Who is responsible for children's diets?

whoopsadoodles

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No - its because she told another poster that they had addicted their child to salt and sugar and then threw a few carrots at the child and thats why the child was a bad eater.

Then went on to pontificate about the hours she spends on her own.

No she didn't. She specifically apologised to the poster and said her post wasn't aimed at her but she had seen this sort of behaviour lots of times. And yes, it does exist and yes, some parents do take lazy route and wonder then why their kids will only eat junk. If they never had junk to begin with, they'd never only eat it.

You've gotten extremely nasty and personal with Rose and yet you're calling her out as being rude. Your posts have been extremely cnutish.

osarusan

whisky_galore wrote: »

I ate ****e food; pre-packaged slices of frozen pizzas with plastic toppings, sweets, chocs, Instant Whip, crisps, sugary stuff, salty stuff.. and so did other kids and iirc the number of kids in national school that were obese back then you could count on one hand.

Indeed.

I know in my case, the only way you could get me to eat anything in school as a kid was for it to be fairly 'junky'. Otherwise I'd just go out and play. I would have eaten a lot of jam sandwiches, peanut butter, and that Panda chocolate spread.

But at home there were always loads of vegetables, loads of them, as my mother could ensure we actually ate them, which she couldn't when we were at school.

Of course, healthier is better, but the content of a child's lunchbox at school isn't necessarily an insight into their overall diet.

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givyjoe

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Easily offended because the truth hurts.

I don't know it all but I see it all on a daily basis.

I only have to go to my local play centre and see what kind of food parents serve up to their children.

It's pure and simple the easy option.

My 4 year old has never once being served a chip. I don't feed her highly processed food.

I go to the supermarket and I check labels. If it's processed, it won't be going into my trolley.

Not that hard to do.

I think you completely missed the point of what I said. I'm not offended by the assertion of healthy eating being important.. or anything you've said actually. I completely disagree with how you're saying it. Your posts paint the picture of a pretty dislikeable character.

Not living on a high horse shouldn't be too hard to do either.

Nettle Soup

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2016/0831/813239-is-your-child-one-of-the-1-in-4-overweight-children-in-ireland/

One in four children in Ireland is now either overweight or obese. Overweight children are more likely to become obese adults. And that’s when the problems really start.

The statistic I find most worrying, however, is the fact that in a survey conducted by Safe Food Ireland, 54 per cent of parents of overweight children, and 20 per cent of parents of obese children, didn’t realise that their children were not at a healthy weight. They were reported as saying that they thought their children were “about the right weight” for their height.

Am I scaremongering? Maybe a little. But this is serious.

Ostrich parents are kicking the can down the road. For Ostrich, read reckless.

SusieBlue

Nettle Soup wrote: »

1 in 4 Irish children are overweight.

Who is responsible for children's diets?

There is obviously an epidemic. But considering that there may be health or behavioural issues at play before dismissing a fellow worn out, exhausted mother who is just doing her best instead of mentally judging her and dismissing her as a sh*t parent would be kinder.