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Medtronic offering Engineering Jobs for Women Only!!
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Victor wrote:Well,apply for one of these, all available on the Medtronic LinkedIn page: Assoc Process Development Engineer Configuration Management Supervisor Engineering Manufacturing Engineer Manufacturing Engineer (weekend shift Temp) Manufacturing Project Engineer (Temp) ME Technician P&L Graduate Design & Development Engineer Intern Principal R&D Engineer Process Development Engineer Project Engineer R&D Program Manager R-D Engineer R-D Engineer - Temporary Contract Return To Work Program for Women in Engineering Senior Design Assurance Engineering Manager Senior Design Assurance Engineering Program Manager Senior Quality Engineer Senior Quality Manufacturing Engineer Snr Manufacturing Engineer Sr Design & Development Engineer Sr Design Assurance Engineer Sr Engineering Manager Sr Equipment Controls Engineer Sr Manufacturing Engineer Sr Process Development Engineer Sr R&D Engineering Manager Sr R/D Balloon Engineer Sr R/D Engineer Sr R/D Engineer (Electronics) Sr R/D Engineer (Mechanical) Sr R/D Engineer-Temp - Mechanical Supervisor - Chemical Distribution Centre Technician II Training - Dev Specialist
Or apply for this one and get some easy money0 -
The legality of this situation is obviously a matter for the courts, and from the sounds of things a lot of people here have expertise in equality legislation and case law, so I will defer to that, but it's great to see so many people so exercised about gender discrimination. Given that the overwhelming majority of gender discrimination is not against men, I'm sure that commentors' input into equality issues going forward will focus largely on the many and varied examples in the field of 'work & jobs' where there is discrimination against women and trans people.0
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Well,apply for one of these, all available on the Medtronic LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search?f_C=1841&f_L=ie%3A0&f_F=eng&locationType=Y&orig=FCTD&trk=jobs_jserp_facet_function
Assoc Process Development Engineer
Configuration Management Supervisor
Engineering
Manufacturing Engineer
Manufacturing Engineer (weekend shift Temp)
Manufacturing Project Engineer (Temp)
ME Technician
P&L Graduate Design & Development Engineer Intern
Principal R&D Engineer
Process Development Engineer
Project Engineer
R&D Program Manager
R-D Engineer
R-D Engineer - Temporary Contract
Return To Work Program for Women in Engineering
Senior Design Assurance Engineering Manager
Senior Design Assurance Engineering Program Manager
Senior Quality Engineer
Senior Quality Manufacturing Engineer
Snr Manufacturing Engineer
Sr Design & Development Engineer
Sr Design Assurance Engineer
Sr Engineering Manager
Sr Equipment Controls Engineer
Sr Manufacturing Engineer
Sr Process Development Engineer
Sr R&D Engineering Manager
Sr R/D Balloon Engineer
Sr R/D Engineer
Sr R/D Engineer (Electronics)
Sr R/D Engineer (Mechanical)
Sr R/D Engineer-Temp - Mechanical
Supervisor - Chemical Distribution Centre
Technician II
Training - Dev Specialist
And are any or all of those jobs for men only? I doubt any of them are and yet it would appear that because it's for women it is okay to discriminate.0 -
The legality of this situation is obviously a matter for the courts, and from the sounds of things a lot of people here have expertise in equality legislation and case law, so I will defer to that, but it's great to see so many people so exercised about gender discrimination. Given that the overwhelming majority of gender discrimination is not against men, I'm sure that commentors' input into equality issues going forward will focus largely on the many and varied examples in the field of 'work & jobs' where there is discrimination against women and trans people.
It's public information tbf
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/21/section/10/enacted/en/html#sec10
It says for women only, so it's clearly discriminatory.0 -
It's public information tbf
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/21/section/10/enacted/en/html#sec10
It says for women only, so it's clearly discriminatory.
That simple is it? I thought there was more nuance to the law, given that quotas for candidates for political office were ruled to be legal by the high court, for example, but I obviously don’t have your legal expertise... I am sure the wrc and ihrec will be glad to have the issue resolved so straightforwardly - save them a lot of time.
You should probably tell its4women.ie too - I am sure they will find your opinion highly insightful and original.0 -
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That simple is it? I thought there was more nuance to the law, given that quotas for candidates for political office were ruled to be legal by the high court, for example, but I obviously don’t have your legal expertise... I am sure the wrc and ihrec will be glad to have the issue resolved so straightforwardly - save them a lot of time.
You should probably tell its4women.ie too - I am sure they will find your opinion highly insightful and original.
As a man, I have no problem with its4women.ie as they don't deny men the option to get an inurance policy with them. Much in the same way women aren't refused "Just for men" hair dye or "not-for-girls" Yorkies.
But this job opening that likely would deny my application based on my gender is disgraceful.0 -
I'd nearly be tempted. It is equally difficult for a man to return to the workforce after a period of unemployment, perhaps moreso as the "looking after family" reason is not as accepted for a man.server down wrote: »Where is the evidence of that? By the way the last recession affected men more than women.
I don't think positive discrimination is legal in Ireland. Some male who wants a quick payoff should apply.
If they sought to recruit people who were returning to the workforce after an absence of a few years, irrespective of gender, I'd have no problem.
I love to apply and then ask them how dare they assume my gender:-)0 -
As a man, I have no problem with its4women.ie as they don't deny men the option to get an inurance policy with them. Much in the same way women aren't refused "Just for men" hair dye or "not-for-girls" Yorkies.
But this job opening that likely would deny my application based on my gender is disgraceful.
that post needs this :
http://www.hollandandbarrett.ie/shop/vitamins-supplements/supplements/evening-primrose-oil/0 -
As a man, I have no problem with its4women.ie as they don't deny men the option to get an inurance policy with them. Much in the same way women aren't refused "Just for men" hair dye or "not-for-girls" Yorkies.
But this job opening that likely would deny my application based on my gender is disgraceful.
Well again I'm glad to see that you are alive to the disgrace that is gender discrimination, and particularly in STEM. It may be the case that at some time in the future you might see an example of a woman being discriminated against, and it's great to know that you're being vigilant.
If I were a lawyer (which I am not) and I was engaged by Medtronic (which I am not), I would point out that the ad does not deny the rights of men to apply, any more than its4women do. I would also make the case that, while we have no policies that actively discriminate against women, my recruitment arm has struggled to attract women and that the rate of male hiring suggested to me that there could be some discrimination taking place in the proces. I would say that, concerned to improve our record that might be discriminatory, I created a programme to reach out to a particularly marginalised group of women. I would point out that, despite this programme, most of our engineering hires were men, and that the rates of recruitment and promotion of men in our company made it unlikely that we were discriminating against men. I would argue that this programme actually reduced discrimination.
Obviously the keen legal minds of boards.ie have led me to believe that this argument would be futile, so you probably should take a case - here you go:
http://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/
I'll leave you to it; but obviously I am delighted that the issue of gender equality in STEM is finally being taken seriously. Personally I would expect an industry that discriminated against men to be less male dominated than other industries, rather than more, but there you go.0 -
Well again I'm glad to see that you are alive to the disgrace that is gender discrimination, and particularly in STEM. It may be the case that at some time in the future you might see an example of a woman being discriminated against, and it's great to know that you're being vigilant.
If I were a lawyer (which I am not) and I was engaged by Medtronic (which I am not), I would point out that the ad does not deny the rights of men to apply, any more than its4women do. I would also make the case that, while we have no policies that actively discriminate against women, my recruitment arm has struggled to attract women and that the rate of male hiring suggested to me that there could be some discrimination taking place in the proces. I would say that, concerned to improve our record that might be discriminatory, I created a programme to reach out to a particularly marginalised group of women. I would point out that, despite this programme, most of our engineering hires were men, and that the rates of recruitment and promotion of men in our company made it unlikely that we were discriminating against men. I would argue that this programme actually reduced discrimination.
Obviously the keen legal minds of boards.ie have led me to believe that this argument would be futile, so you probably should take a case - here you go:
http://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/
I'll leave you to it; but obviously I am delighted that the issue of gender equality in STEM is finally being taken seriously. Personally I would expect an industry that discriminated against men to be less male dominated than other industries, rather than more, but there you go.
I'm detecting a hint of sarcasm SJ :eek:. You are very prickly about this subject. Can I ask why?0 -
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Well again I'm glad to see that you are alive to the disgrace that is gender discrimination, and particularly in STEM. It may be the case that at some time in the future you might see an example of a woman being discriminated against, and it's great to know that you're being vigilant.
If I were a lawyer (which I am not) and I was engaged by Medtronic (which I am not), I would point out that the ad does not deny the rights of men to apply, any more than its4women do. I would also make the case that, while we have no policies that actively discriminate against women, my recruitment arm has struggled to attract women and that the rate of male hiring suggested to me that there could be some discrimination taking place in the proces. I would say that, concerned to improve our record that might be discriminatory, I created a programme to reach out to a particularly marginalised group of women. I would point out that, despite this programme, most of our engineering hires were men, and that the rates of recruitment and promotion of men in our company made it unlikely that we were discriminating against men. I would argue that this programme actually reduced discrimination.
Obviously the keen legal minds of boards.ie have led me to believe that this argument would be futile, so you probably should take a case - here you go:
http://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/
I'll leave you to it; but obviously I am delighted that the issue of gender equality in STEM is finally being taken seriously. Personally I would expect an industry that discriminated against men to be less male dominated than other industries, rather than more, but there you go.
Did you miss this sentenceMedtronic has established a new, six-month paid, return to work programme for women who have taken a break from their engineering careers and now wish to return
Hell, even the big bold job title says for women in it
I've reported it here anyway. I think others should do the same
https://www.ihrec.ie/your-rights/report-inequality-advertising/
I've also emailed Medtronic themselves, so will be interesting to hear their reply0 -
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Read more of the act: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/21/section/24/enacted/en/html#sec24It's public information tbf
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/21/section/10/enacted/en/html#sec10
It says for women only, so it's clearly discriminatory.Positive action on equal opportunities.
24.—(1) The provisions of this Act are without prejudice to measures to promote equal opportunity for men and women, in particular by removing existing inequalities which affect women's opportunities in the areas of access to employment, vocational training and promotion, and working conditions.
Different legislation.That simple is it? I thought there was more nuance to the law, given that quotas for candidates for political office were ruled to be legal by the high court0 -
Discrimination can be a good thing. I discriminate against sex offenders when looking for childminders, for example. Obviously under the Equal Status Act, discrimination on the grounds of gender is illegal, but is that really what's going on here?
It's a great idea to actively seek talent in a pool of potential employees that are often overlooked, and by advertising in this way you encourage them to apply and provide an assurance that they won't be dismissed.
Interesting to see 'unemployment rates' cited above - however they don't accuarately represent workforce participation, as women disproportionately drop out of the labour market to take on caring roles. Ireland has very low levels of female labour market participation by EU standards. I'm sure if it turned out that Medtronic were hiring only women, then their hiring policy could be considered sexist; but looking that this as one of their many ways of recruiting people to engineering roles, I reckon it's more likely to be seeking to address an imbalance in recruiting. I bet most of the engineers they hire are men. If that's true (and it is an assumption), then I'd say it's very unlikely that their hiring policy is discriminatory - in fact I'd say it's likely to be less discriminatory than many other organisations.
Really need lots more information to make a fair judgement - you'd need to know, in relation to the type of jobs advertised, what proportion of people with the requisite qualifications and experience were men. Then you could examine whether the proportion of applicants for jobs matched that. If not, maybe there is something in their advertising process that discourages applications from a particular gender. Then you could look at the proportion of men that were interviewed, and the proportion of men that were hired... That would give a good indication of whether there was discrimination at play.
Policies that seek to correct historical discrimination can be a very good thing. It's typical that people leap on them as being "discriminatory" themselves, but we're not starting from a world of perfect equality, so policies that claim to be perfectly neutral now won't correct past imbalances.
That’s all lovely but it’s still sexism. I’m very sympathetic in encouraging women back into the workforce but is it really fair to exclude people from applying for a job based on their sex? To me it’s a resounding ‘No’.
There are other ways to encourage and entice women back, especially through family friendly initiatives, or (in the case of the private sector only) pay them the same rate as men - now there’s a real way to make a difference.0 -
The legality of this situation is obviously a matter for the courts, and from the sounds of things a lot of people here have expertise in equality legislation and case law, so I will defer to that, but it's great to see so many people so exercised about gender discrimination. Given that the overwhelming majority of gender discrimination is not against men, I'm sure that commentors' input into equality issues going forward will focus largely on the many and varied examples in the field of 'work & jobs' where there is discrimination against women and trans people.
So now you’re against discrimination???0 -
Well again I'm glad to see that you are alive to the disgrace that is gender discrimination, and particularly in STEM. It may be the case that at some time in the future you might see an example of a woman being discriminated against, and it's great to know that you're being vigilant.
If I were a lawyer (which I am not) and I was engaged by Medtronic (which I am not), I would point out that the ad does not deny the rights of men to apply, any more than its4women do. I would also make the case that, while we have no policies that actively discriminate against women, my recruitment arm has struggled to attract women and that the rate of male hiring suggested to me that there could be some discrimination taking place in the proces. I would say that, concerned to improve our record that might be discriminatory, I created a programme to reach out to a particularly marginalised group of women. I would point out that, despite this programme, most of our engineering hires were men, and that the rates of recruitment and promotion of men in our company made it unlikely that we were discriminating against men. I would argue that this programme actually reduced discrimination.
Obviously the keen legal minds of boards.ie have led me to believe that this argument would be futile, so you probably should take a case - here you go:
http://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/
I'll leave you to it; but obviously I am delighted that the issue of gender equality in STEM is finally being taken seriously. Personally I would expect an industry that discriminated against men to be less male dominated than other industries, rather than more, but there you go.
Doesn't matter, the ad is still illegal. By the way the fact that only 20% of women are employed in STEM doesn't prove gender discrimination at a corporate level, unless that figure was way lower than the level of female graduates. A simple enough point I would have thought.0 -
Looks like some people trying to find problem where it doesn't exist.
As one proverb says - who is worse than idiot? Idiot with initiative.0 -
syntheticjunk wrote: »Looks like some people trying to find problem where it doesn't exist.
As one proverb says - who is worse than idiot? Idiot with initiative.
Sounds like the definition of modern day western Feminism.0 -
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