Vegas shooting incident

WinnyThePoo

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

That people in general are c*nts and that everyone wants to be vile like Katie Hopkins. That it's a race to be the meanest in a horrible, cruel and uncaring world.

Did you read the post I replied to? Do you want me to quote more of it?

You really disagree in general that people are runts?.. I mean Americans voted in a utter runt.

Please go ahead and quote the post though. I mean I read it and liked it , no doubt your not having any of that though.

Will I Am Not

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You really disagree in general that people are runts?.. I mean Americans voted in a utter runt.

Please go ahead and quote the post though. I mean I read it and liked it , no doubt your not having any of that though.

Nah. Go on about your day, I've no more time for you.

kunst nugget

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You really disagree in general that people are runts?.. I mean Americans voted in a utter runt.

I think in general most people aren't runts. They can be easily manipulated - I can be easily manipulated - but most are decent and try to help their fellow men in times of trouble. It's the few horrible cünts - in schools, in offices, in neighbourhoods, in power - that ruin it for everyone.

NoviGlitzko

"In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." - Dan Hodges

I'm reminded of this tweet every time a mass US shooting happens.

kunst nugget

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

"In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." - Dan Hodges

I'm reminded of this tweet every time a mass US shooting happens.

The fact that so many people could think that Sandy Hook didn't actually happen and that the bereaved parents were actually actors is bizarre to me.

"F*** you!! Your child never died at Sandy Hook," is one among thousands of online posts that Lenny and Veronique Pozner have had to deal with as they mourn their six-year-old son Noah.

"Where's Noah going to die next?" is another.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-28/sandy-hook-massacre-victims-parents-harassed-by-truthers/7546536

A man who found six children in his driveway in Newtown, Conn., after their teacher had been shot and killed in last month's school massacre has become the target of conspiracy theorists who believe the shootings were staged.

“I don’t know what to do,” Gene Rosen told Salon.com. “I’m getting hang-up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘How much am I being paid?'”

Rosen, a 69-year-old retired psychologist who lives near Sandy Hook Elementary School where the shootings took place, says his inbox is filled with emails like this one:

How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?

“The quantity of the material is overwhelming,” Rosen said, adding that he's sought the advice of a retired state police officer and plans to alert the FBI.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/lookout/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-conspiracy-155033813.html

Saruhashi

Press_Start wrote: »

Oh for **** sake. Dont do that.
He obviously doesnt accept that the world is a ****ty place.
People are inherently good. Whenever there's an outrage it's the obvious and immediate reaction to feel sympathy and empathy for those affected. People who say otherwise are either arseholes looking for a reaction or "sociopaths" who feel the need to make a point.
Over 250k raised for victims on a single GoFundMe (Casey Neistat's) hundreds of people giving blood the next day to help out, and many more instances of good human nature.
Noone seems to want to report on this though. Only to try and highlight the horror and tragedy and bad nature from others. If you were to take a look at the human reaction to all the events in the US at the moment, from Harvey to the shooting, you'll be overwhelmed with statistics, people making accusations and bigoted remarks. But if you look harder youll see people giving a ****.
So how about before you get all edgy and start telling people that people are inherently ****; maybe you're part of the problem.

Thanks for this.

I think it easily gets forgotten that the vast majority of people actually set out to do good in their lives.

It's easy to convince people that "other people" are bad.

Sure, WinnyThePoo is willing to throw Trump voters under the bus without even a basic understanding of who most of the 60+ million voters are BUT at the same time believes this to be an act of goodness.

Even people who do bad things often think that they are doing it for a good cause.

WinnyThePoo

Saruhashi wrote: »

Thanks for this.

I think it easily gets forgotten that the vast majority of people actually set out to do good in their lives.

It's easy to convince people that "other people" are bad.

Sure, WinnyThePoo is willing to throw Trump voters under the bus without even a basic understanding of who most of the 60+ million voters are BUT at the same time believes this to be an act of goodness.

Even people who do bad things often think that they are doing it for a good cause.

What bus?.. Do you have the reg?.

kunst nugget

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

What bus?.. Do you have the reg?.

Seriously, what's the point in posting if you're going to be at that malarkey…

Boom_Bap

The sh*te in the last few posts should end here.

Thanks.

WinnyThePoo

kunst nugget wrote: »

Seriously, what's the point in posting if you're going to be at that malarkey…

My point was already made. Merely asking what bus I threw all the Americans under?.

I mean they have a president who's whole agenda is division and 'meanness'. A man who will happily go on infowars and tell Alex jones he's doing a good job.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

So, 3 weeks later and this story has more or less been forgotten about.

After all this time, we still are no closer to knowing the motives behind the gunman, or if he had help.

Not to mention the confusion regarding whether the security guard was shot before or after the gunman began firing into the crowd.

And we still haven't seen any CCTV footage from the hotel.

This has to be one of the most bizarre episodes in recent history.

What the hell is going on here?

BillyBobBS

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

So, 3 weeks later and this story has more or less been forgotten about.

After all this time, we still are no closer to knowing the motives behind the gunman, or if he had help.

Not to mention the confusion regarding whether the security guard was shot before or after the gunman began firing into the crowd.

And we still haven't seen any CCTV footage from the hotel.

This has to be one of the most bizarre episodes in recent history.

What the hell is going on here?

Loads of questions still unanswered and i agree utterly bizarre we are hearing nothing about it only three short weeks later.

The lack of questions from the media is also very puzzling.

ShowMeTheCash

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Loads of questions still unanswered and i agree utterly bizarre we are hearing nothing about it only three short weeks later.

The lack of questions from the media is also very puzzling.

Do not be raising any of these question in the CT forum, I am now serving my 6 month ban...... The Truth is out there

archer22

Well I suppose there is nothing more to it...guy goes psycho and kills a lot of people.

And that's about it.

Dohnjoe

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

So, 3 weeks later and this story has more or less been forgotten about.

People lose interest, it's not considered newsworthy to keep on the front pages, but it's still possible to follow updates and developments

After public interest disappears, the investigations still go on.

After all this time, we still are no closer to knowing the motives behind the gunman, or if he had help.

Indeed we still don't know. Sometimes it can take a long time to determine the cause, sometimes it's possible we may never know. There are many murders and mass killings in history for which we still have no idea why the perpetrator(s) did it.

Not to mention the confusion regarding whether the security guard was shot before or after the gunman began firing into the crowd.

Edit: details of the shooting here. The police appear to have initially got the timeline wrong. He was shot within 40 seconds of the main shooting starting

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/18/us/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos/index.html

And we still haven't seen any CCTV footage from the hotel.

Probably just limited to the investigation. It's at their discretion if they want to release it.

This has to be one of the most bizarre episodes in recent history.

What the hell is going on here?

It appears to be someone who meticulously planned an attack to inflict maximum damage. Previously a man in a nightclub killed 49 people.

ceadaoin.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

So, 3 weeks later and this story has more or less been forgotten about.

After all this time, we still are no closer to knowing the motives behind the gunman, or if he had help.

Not to mention the confusion regarding whether the security guard was shot before or after the gunman began firing into the crowd.

And we still haven't seen any CCTV footage from the hotel.

This has to be one of the most bizarre episodes in recent history.

What the hell is going on here?

Yes, it's is bizarre. There is clearly a lot we are not being told.

And as someone who lives in Vegas I can tell you that a lot of people here think there is something fishy going on but none of the questions are being raised in the media for some strange reason

ceadaoin.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The security guard has not given a public statement, has also kept out of the public eye. I am sure the final details will be known soon enough



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He has, he appeared on the Ellen show. Previously he was to do some live interviews on news channels but he disappeared minutes before he was due on. Allegedly MGM lawyers would only allow him to appear on that show, which is pre recorded. It's weird.

Dohnjoe

ceadaoin. wrote: »

He has, he appeared on the Ellen show. Previously he was to do some live interviews on news channels but he disappeared minutes before he was due on. Allegedly MGM lawyers would only allow him to appear on that show, which is pre recorded. It's weird.

Yeah just watched the interview after I posted and re-edited

MadYaker

The investigation is still ongoing which is probably why CCTV footage hasn't been released and also why other details, such as if he had help, aren't being released, especially if that angle is still being worked on. There is also the fact that the media spotlight has moved on to other things and nobody cares about this anymore. It's old news now and generally the FBI won't voluntarily give statements on ongoing investigations.

If there was media and public pressure being applied we would get more info.

Edit: some info from CNN about the nore the gunman left here: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/07/us...ion/index.html

w.b. yokes

3 weeks later and still no evident motive for the biggest gun attack in US history other than "he may have had undiagnosed mental illness"

Dohnjoe

Complete overview of the entire shooting from start to finish (NSFW)
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005473328/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-12-bursts.html?&module=tv-carousel&action=click&pgType=Multimedia&contentPlacement=0

The investigation is still on-going. They still don't even know the timeline of the attacks or what exactly happened (I think?). Last time I checked, the only person that could fully confirm the attacks' story (the security guard) fell apart when scrutinised further and now he seems to have vanished (unless he's since been found?)

MadYaker

He was on the Ellen Show in the US a few weeks ago.

Noel82

Shooters brother arrested on child porn charges and sexual exploitation of a child.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooters-brother-arrested-suspicion-possessing-child/story?id=50710167

Billy86

Important to keep in mind that it's hearsay from someone unwilling to go on camera, but apparently he was bragigng about his brother's mass shooting and proud of him for doing it:

This is a separate brother to the one that was interviewed a few times, apparently Bruce (arrested) has been down and out for a while, recently evicted and transient.

BillyBobBS

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-latest-stephen-paddock-computer-missing-hard-drive-hotel-a8020236.html

More strange questions that nobody seems to be able to answer.

Dohnjoe

BillyBobBS wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-latest-stephen-paddock-computer-missing-hard-drive-hotel-a8020236.html

More strange questions that nobody seems to be able to answer.

He seems to have deliberately taken steps to cover his tracks

We may never know his motives, perhaps that's what he wanted

kunst nugget

Survivors are getting abuse online from conspiracy theorists just like the parents of the Sandy Hook victims did in the aftermath of that tragedy. Truly disgusting.

http://qklnk.co/MTq2MO

TheValeyard

MGM Hotel to sue the victims of the shooting



https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-files-suit-against-more-than-1000-route-91-victims.html




A shower of Cnuts.

Jim Bob Scratcher

What the heck is with the yanks and suing? ****ing bellends!

BattleCorp

I'm curious. For someone to sue, they have to prove the hotel was negligent. In what way were the Hotel negligent?

Feisar

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

MGM Hotel to sue the victims of the shooting



https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-files-suit-against-more-than-1000-route-91-victims.html




A shower of Cnuts.

Dude, they are just protecting themselves, read the article

_Dara_

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm curious. For someone to sue, they have to prove the hotel was negligent. In what way were the Hotel negligent?

The hotel is suing. They have to prove that the victims were negligent. It’s apparently a protective move that won’t involve money, not that that makes it in any way right.

ArmaniJeanss

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm curious. For someone to sue, they have to prove the hotel was negligent. In what way were the Hotel negligent?

Potential negligence seems to be because of a ruling by a Nevada court on a previous and unrelated gun incident in NYNY across the road.

https://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/personal-injury/Vegas-Massacre-lawsuits#3
Read 3.1.1.

That seems the theory behind the potential negligence case.

Now obviously this is a lawfirm touting for business, and ultimately a court would decide on what looks tenuous enough to me.
Though I think there's often an element of hoping the other side will settle up for half a billion dollars or something, rather than risk an emotional jury awarding 20 billion.

ceadaoin.

_Dara_ wrote: »

The hotel is suing. They have to prove that the victims were negligent. It’s apparently a protective move that won’t involve money, not that that makes it in any way right.

They aren't claiming that the victims were negligent, just that MGM weren't and are not liable in anyway.

MGM Resorts International has filed federal lawsuits against more than 1,000 Las Vegas mass shooting victims in an effort to avoid liability.

The company, which owns Mandalay Bay and the Route 91 Harvest festival venue, argues that it cannot be held liable for Oct. 1 deaths, injuries or other damages, adding that any claims against MGM parties “must be dismissed,” according to complaints filed Friday in Nevada and California.

“Plaintiffs have no liability of any kind to defendants,” the complaints argue.


The company cites a 2002 federal act that extends liability protection to any company that uses “anti-terrorism” technology or services that can “help prevent and respond to mass violence.”

In this case, the company argues, the security vendor MGM hired for Route 91, Contemporary Services Corp., was protected from liability because its services had been certified by the Department of Homeland Security for “protecting against and responding to acts of mass injury and destruction.”

The lawsuits argue that this protection also extends to MGM, since MGM hired the security company.

They do not seek money from the victims but do ask that a judge decide if the 2002 act is applicable, and if so, determine that future civil lawsuits against the company are not viable.

_Dara_

ceadaoin. wrote: »

They aren't claiming that the victims were negligent, just that MGM weren't and are not liable in anyway.

Well, they’re thinking of suing to protect themselves from being sued. They’ll need to have a reason for suing the victims. To protect themselves isn’t a reason.

ceadaoin.

_Dara_ wrote: »

Well, they’re thinking of suing to protect themselves from being sued. They’ll need to have a reason for suing the victims. To protect themselves isn’t a reason.

The reason is that they are claiming they aren't liable according to some 2002 law because they hired a security company for the event which was approved by the DHS. Seems like they are suing only the people who have already filed a case against them to get a judge to make a ruling so that all those suits and any future ones can be dismissed.