Dublin City Marathon Elite Field 2017?

El Caballo

Just over 3 weeks out now so was wondering did anyone have any info on the elite entries to the race and National Championships? Everything seems to point to this possibly being the strongest National Marathon we've seen in a long time on the men's side so it could be really interesting.

Presuming the perennial contenders like Hehir, Sergiu and Gary O'Hanlon are in and the rumour seems to be that Stephen Scullion is also having a go. What about Mick Clohissey? Frazer? Barry Minnock? Pollock is out of the running after just returning from injury. Mark Hanrahan isn't long back either but any shot of him having a go? Anyone else?

I'm not really sure about the women's side this year. Could Fionnuala be a possibility? Lizzie Lee? Laura O'Shaughnessy had a great performance in Charleville, Any chance of her stepping up? Breege Connolly and Claire Mc Cathy?

Testosterscone

On mens side:

Scullion
Hehir
Fitzpatrick
GOH

I thought Sergiu was planning on it but not down on entries and is already in taper so could be going to Amsterdam possibly?

Clohissey not running it nor is Hanrahan. Frazer probably more likely to do Chicago or Fukuoka than Dublin so I would as say if he is running one this autumn it will be in December. Dunno is Minnock still running competitively?


On womens side

McCormack not running and last time talking to O'Shaughnessy she was not planning on stepping up this year. McCarthy not recovered from Berlin and imagine Connolly will be aiming at chasing Commonwealth time for next year so imagine a flatter route.

McCambridge on the comeback trail but I don't think DCM is on the cards. Don't think Lizzie planning on doing it either.

Testosterscone

I know it popped up for Kipchoge so I figured might be interesting to do an Analysis of Scullion's training given that he is arguably the favourite for Dublin

Here are the last 6 weeks of his training

Week 1 (80 miles)
Session 1 5x1 mile @ 10k pace(90 sec recovery), 3 min rec, 4 mile tempo

Session 2 - 10 mile hilly tempo

(No Long run)

Week 2 (95 miles)
(Long run Monday - 17 miles easy)

Session 1 - 15 miles alternating (HM/Steady)

Session 2 - 2x30 min hard (run by feel, just slower than 10k pace)

Week 3 (45 miles)

Session 1 - 3x1 mile (progressive from HM to 10k) 90 sec rec, 4x400 @5k (75 sec), 2x200 @ 1 mile (60 sec)

Session 2 -Race - Great North Run 65.53 (5.02 pace)

Week 4 (70 miles)
(Monday 15 mile easy run)

Session 1 - 2 miles progressive (slightly slower/faster than HM), 6x800 progressive (10k working down), 1 mile (10k)

Session 2 - Belfast Half Marathon - 66.05 (5.03 pace)

Week 5 (95 miles)

Session 1 - 17 miles with 3x10 min (HM HR) equal recovery @ easy pace

Session 2 - 1 mile/800/1 mile/800/1 mile (10k/5k paces) 90 recovery

(18 mile easy pace Sunday)

Week 6 (90 miles)

Session 1 - 3x3 mile progressive (MP-10k) 3 min rec

(remainder at 7000ft altitude)

Session 2 - 13 miles @ MP

Seems to be a fairly solid blend of speed work and Sustained HM efforts as a staple with his HM races slightly off his PB and being described as controlled but not a whole deal slower.

No major long runs or mega mileage either

El Caballo

Testosterscone wrote: »

I know it popped up for Kipchoge so I figured might be interesting to do an Analysis of Scullion's training given that he is arguably the favourite for Dublin

Here are the last 6 weeks of his training

Week 1 (80 miles)
Session 1 5x1 mile @ 10k pace(90 sec recovery), 3 min rec, 4 mile tempo

Session 2 - 10 mile hilly tempo

(No Long run)

Week 2 (95 miles)
(Long run Monday - 17 miles easy)

Session 1 - 15 miles alternating (HM/Steady)

Session 2 - 2x30 min hard (run by feel, just slower than 10k pace)

Week 3 (45 miles)

Session 1 - 3x1 mile (progressive from HM to 10k) 90 sec rec, 4x400 @5k (75 sec), 2x200 @ 1 mile (60 sec)

Session 2 -Race - Great North Run 65.53 (5.02 pace)

Week 4 (70 miles)
(Monday 15 mile easy run)

Session 1 - 2 miles progressive (slightly slower/faster than HM), 6x800 progressive (10k working down), 1 mile (10k)

Session 2 - Belfast Half Marathon - 66.05 (5.03 pace)

Week 5 (95 miles)

Session 1 - 17 miles with 3x10 min (HM HR) equal recovery @ easy pace

Session 2 - 1 mile/800/1 mile/800/1 mile (10k/5k paces) 90 recovery

(18 mile easy pace Sunday)

Week 6 (90 miles)

Session 1 - 3x3 mile progressive (MP-10k) 3 min rec

(remainder at 7000ft altitude)

Session 2 - 13 miles @ MP

Seems to be a fairly solid blend of speed work and Sustained HM efforts as a staple with his HM races slightly off his PB and being described as controlled but not a whole deal slower.

No major long runs or mega mileage either

Interesting. I honestly didn't expect to see that approach from him. As a guy who has good wheels, I was kind of thinking he'd have a lot more steady runs and fartlek. Surprised with the volume as well and longest run being 17 as for a guy like him as it probably comes in well under 2 hours. A 2:17 marathon says a big FU to my thoughts though:pac:

Testosterscone

El Caballo wrote: »

Interesting. I honestly didn't expect to see that approach from him. As a guy who has good wheels, I was kind of thinking he'd have a lot more steady runs and fartlek. Surprised with the volume as well and longest run being 17 as for a guy like him as it probably comes in well under 2 hours. A 2:17 marathon says a big FU to my thoughts though:pac:

It's kinda funny the more training I see as of late the more seem to be going back to the faster than MP approaches

As for long runs they tend to be about 7 min pace so you would be talking in or around the 2 hr mark

As for steady runs generally looking there does seem to be a good bit in the form of second session (up around he 50-65 min mark) if you include the races

Could argue that based of his 10k time his marathon could be a little soft especially in comparison to the likes of Clohisey and Hehir who would be coming from the strength side of things more so)

Testosterscone

Interestingly European Championship selection policy for next year has been released

Sub 2.17 for men or if you win Irish Championships in Dublin in sub 2.18 will also count as a qualifier (similarly sub 2.38 vs sub 2.39 and win for the women)

I know a good few have been calling for this here in the past

Chivito550

Testosterscone wrote: »

Interestingly European Championship selection policy for next year has been released

Sub 2.17 for men or if you win Irish Championships in Dublin in sub 2.18 will also count as a qualifier (similarly sub 2.38 vs sub 2.39 and win for the women)

I know a good few have been calling for this here in the past

How many winners of Dublin Marathon in the last 10 years have run sub 2:18? Genuine question.

Duanington

Testosterscone wrote: »

Interestingly European Championship selection policy for next year has been released

Sub 2.17 for men or if you win Irish Championships in Dublin in sub 2.18 will also count as a qualifier (similarly sub 2.38 vs sub 2.39 and win for the women)

I know a good few have been calling for this here in the past

What date range is the qualifying window L?


As in will Seaward qualify with his Berlin time etc...?

El Caballo

Chivito550 wrote: »

How many winners of Dublin Marathon in the last 10 years have run sub 2:18? Genuine question.

Think it's unfair to use the last 10 years as the quality of Irish runners has come on hugely in the last few years. Pollock and Hehir have both done it and the likes of Sean Connolly and Sergiu have both been very close. I was originally against the idea when we talked about it the last time but have come around to it a bit since as the quality of Irish marathon running has improved that I now think we have a good few guys who could run under it in Dublin. A guaranteed spot is also a big carrot if we learned anything from the Rio debacle and it might also entice a few of those guys who aren't running 2:15 to reach for the Dublin spot and/or entice the top guys to start racing in Dublin more. The more you increase the depth, the more competitive the fields will get.

Chivito550

El Caballo wrote: »

Think it's unfair to use the last 10 years as the quality of Irish runners has come on hugely in the last few years. Pollock and Hehir have both done it and the likes of Sean Connolly and Sergiu have both been very close. I was originally against the idea when we talked about it the last time but have come around to it a bit since as the quality of Irish marathon running has improved that I now think we have a good few guys who could run under it in Dublin. A guaranteed spot is also a big carrot if we learned anything from the Rio debacle and it might also entice a few of those guys who aren't running 2:15 to reach for the Dublin spot and/or entice the top guys to start racing in Dublin more. The more you increase the depth, the more competitive the fields will get.

Definitely more depth, but not a lot of improvement at the top end. I count just 3 sub 2:15 clockings since Mark Carroll's 2:10 in 2002, and one of those was by a convicted drug cheat. We've lots these days in the 2:16-2:18 range but can they run sub 2:18 on a relatively slow course like Dublin?

28064212

Full selection policy here: http://hp.athleticsireland.ie/index.php/11-news/96-2018-european-championships-marathon-cup-selection-policy. DCM clause is 4.7. Notably, if the DCM winner comes home in over 2:18, but has another performance within the qualifying window that's under 2:17 they "will be selected". Clause 4.8 then covers sub 2:17 performances elsewhere, stating that the athlete will be "considered for selection".

Of course, the "will be selected" of 4.7 is contradicted by 4.5 which states that the Selection Panel has "sole discretion" to select the team. So we could just end up with a worse version of the Rio Ciobanu/Pollock situation

28064212

Chivito550 wrote: »

How many winners of Dublin Marathon in the last 10 years have run sub 2:18? Genuine question.

3 by my count since 2009: Sergiu in 2016 and both Pollock and Hehir in 2012. However, one thing that's notable looking at the winners is how often it's a one-horse race: awful lot of the winners have 2-3 minutes or more of a cushion. If the top guys were racing each other in it, I suspect we'd see faster winning times

Chivito550

28064212 wrote: »

3 by my count since 2009: Sergiu in 2016 and both Pollock and Hehir in 2012. However, one thing that's notable looking at the winners is how often it's a one-horse race: awful lot of the winners have 2-3 minutes or more of a cushion. If the top guys were racing each other in it, I suspect we'd see faster winning times

Perhaps, or would there be a bit of cat and mouse?

hillsiderunner

Testosterscone wrote: »

On womens side

McCormack not running and last time talking to O'Shaughnessy she was not planning on stepping up this year. McCarthy not recovered from Berlin and imagine Connolly will be aiming at chasing Commonwealth time for next year so imagine a flatter route.

McCambridge on the comeback trail but I don't think DCM is on the cards. Don't think Lizzie planning on doing it either.

Laura Graham is doing it, Belfast Telegraph says:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/laura-and-gideon-set-bangor-10k-alight-36186274.html

She was only 5secs off the Commonwealth qualifying time in Berlin (2:37:05).

El Caballo

Bump for any more info. Hard worker?Anyone.

A few are probably aware of this already but the race will be fully live streamed this year. Great to see as it's been a shame to not be able to watch it over the last few years.

Testosterscone

El Caballo wrote: »

Bump for any more info. Hard worker?Anyone.

A few are probably aware of this already but the race will be fully live streamed this year. Great to see as it's been a shame to not be able to watch it over the last few years.

Looks like Hehir is out AFAIK

OOnegative

Where is the livestream available?

youngrun

Hard to see anyone beating Laura Graham
Scullion in mens also looks like the clear favourite

Abhainn

youngrun wrote: »

Hard to see anyone beating Laura Graham

She's in some form alright. Raced 3 consecutive weekends after Berlin - 10k (34:2x) , 10mile (PB, 57 low) and 8 mile last weekend. Impressive recovery

Slow_Runner

OOnegative wrote: »

Where is the livestream available?

It's on their Facebook page - will be streaming live from there

BobBobBobBob

Sergiu is running it

El Caballo

http://sseairtricitydublinmarathon.ie/elite-athlete-list-2017/

Just came across the list there. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest, There's certainly a lot of depth around the 2:13-2:18 range but maybe not as many young speedstars making their debut that could blow everyone out of the water like there used to be. Can see why they want depth but it's hard to see a race that has a course record of 2.08 been won in 2.13.

Testosterscone

El Caballo wrote: »

http://sseairtricitydublinmarathon.ie/elite-athlete-list-2017/

Just came across the list there. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest, There's certainly a lot of depth around the 2:13-2:18 range but maybe not as many young speedstars making their debut that could blow everyone out of the water like there used to be. Can see why they want depth but it's hard to see a race that has a course record of 2.08 been won in 2.13.

I would imagine that the organizers see more value in that depth than the 2.08/2.09 runners of the past.

If you look at previous winners you would say that for many the likes of Hehir and Eliud Too have had more of an impact on people in general than Ndungu or Feyesa Lelisa (despite his high profile since most forget that he actually won Dublin in his debut)

Also having that depth probably is a way of trying to encourage more Irish athletes to compete as they will have people around there level and slightly quicker to try and help them improve times compared to the likes of London/Berlin where they can actually get pretty isolated at the 2.14-2.18 range despite the higher caliber of athletes.

HeidiHeidi

Pardon me if this isn't the right place to ask, but....

I live beside the 12-mile mark. Roughly what time do I need to be out to see the first runners/wheelchairs passing? I keep aiming to get out every year for them, but always wind up just getting the top end of the greater field. For once I'd like to actually see the leaders!

Thanks! And good luck to everyone running it - I'm out cheering everyone on every year, and I still get a lump in my throat every single time!

Slow_Runner

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Pardon me if this isn't the right place to ask, but....

I live beside the 12-mile mark.  Roughly what time do I need to be out to see the first runners/wheelchairs passing?  I keep aiming to get out every year for them, but always wind up just getting the top end of the greater field.  For once I'd like to actually see the leaders!

Thanks!  And good luck to everyone running it - I'm out cheering everyone on every year, and I still get a lump in my throat every single time!

First up - thank you for the support every year - we may not show it but it's the likes of you cheering us all on that makes the differrence, just cos our heads are down doesn't mean we can't hear you
As for the leaders they would be going through halfway (13 miles) around the 60-65 min mark earliest - so if you want to see them at 12 mile be out on the road at 09:45 and you should have a few minutes to spare, not sure what time the wheelchairs come through at

RayCun

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Pardon me if this isn't the right place to ask, but....

I live beside the 12-mile mark. Roughly what time do I need to be out to see the first runners/wheelchairs passing? I keep aiming to get out every year for them, but always wind up just getting the top end of the greater field. For once I'd like to actually see the leaders!

Thanks! And good luck to everyone running it - I'm out cheering everyone on every year, and I still get a lump in my throat every single time!

http://sseairtricitydublinmarathon.ie/traffic-information/

wheelchairs expected about 9.45, lead men about 10

Chivito550

Is the tracker still in the dark ages of 10km, 21km, 30km and the finish or have they moved onto the 21st century with splits every 5k?

robinph

RayCun wrote: »

http://sseairtricitydublinmarathon.ie/traffic-information/

wheelchairs expected about 9.45, lead men about 10

Do they actually have any elite wheelchairs taking part now?

Working class heroes

Three elite Wheelchair athletes named.
Some familiar names in the men's elites. The name Gary Condon rings a bell. Anyone know him?:)

Krusty_Clown

Working class heroes wrote: »

Some familiar names in the men's elites. The name Gary Condon rings a bell. Anyone know him?:)

Pretender. Should be back in wave 3.

El Caballo

Working class heroes wrote: »

Three elite Wheelchair athletes named.
Some familiar names in the men's elites. The name Gary Condon rings a bell. Anyone know him?:)

Jesus, the standard has really gone down:p

All jokes aside, very best of luck KC!

Pherekydes

Article about Scullion in the Indo

Hope it goes well tomorrow.

Glencarraig

Do the winners of last years age categories or national championship age cats get an elite number for this year?