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New 39x service starting on 9th October
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The reason the M3 parkway trains are so busy is because they are BY FAR the fastest way to Ongar, direct or changing trains in Clonsilla, they beat the 39A or 39X hands down.
Don't disagree with that, but glad to have another option, especially on a wet morning when you can't be sure there'll be car parking @ Clonsilla.
Maybe it's the novelty, but decent wifi, a seat and not feeling like I'm in a sauna all helped. I like the walk over from Docklands, but on a wet morning, can cope with being dropped on the Green
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Very soon you'll be able to hop off at broombridge and onto a luas to Stephens green.
Don't worry, I positively drool at the trams being tested - so long as they have the pricing sorted for combining Luas/Irish Rail
39X drivers are eager beavers at the moment - 2nd evening in a row the bus had left the stop before the time on apps - another lady was trying to get on, but the driver was having none of it as technically she had left the stop.0 -
Shuttle666 wrote: »Don't worry, I positively drool at the trams being tested - so long as they have the pricing sorted for combining Luas/Irish Rail
39X drivers are eager beavers at the moment - 2nd evening in a row the bus had left the stop before the time on apps - another lady was trying to get on, but the driver was having none of it as technically she had left the stop.
Given that seemingly of the 13 new stops on the Luas, 8 of them will be in the central zone (though this is slightly misleading since 6 of them are on the one way sections), I'd be expecting central to end at the Dominick stop, and Broombridge to be probably a zone further out than the one transitioned to there (i.e. a Zone 3). So a leap fare from Broombridge to Central under that would come in at €2.13, but you should get a Leap 90 discount on that, so €1.13 on top of the train fare to Broombridge.
From Coolmine (my nearest stop) said train fare is €1.73, so total fare then would come in at €2.86 under the current system, again, assuming that Broombridge is put into a similar zone as say Stillorgan on the Green Line. This is a bit more expensive than the equivalent train fare to CC stations at the moment (€2.46 from Coolmine), but could be significantly more convenient inbound. Outbound the prospect of a high frequency service meeting significantly lower frequency is less appealing, mind, as after 8pm weekdays, or indeed any time at the weekend, if you miss a train by 2 mins you're waiting an hour unless IE increase frequency on the line.
Comparing to the bus, that fare is basically within a cent of the expresso fare, and 26c more expensive than the max normal fare, so not terribly unreasonable, I suppose.
Obviously I'm making a massive assumption in guessing the fare zones in the above assessment, but at present the 4 zone fare is actually the same as 3 zone for Luas so there's a margin for error too. I absolutely can't see them putting it into a further out zone than that, and if they do it's torpedoing it a bit before they ever start.0 -
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In my opinion there should be an overhaul of the 39s as follows
39 - stay as normal , connection remains
39A - starts from hartstown distributor road to hartstown and then as normal
39B - from ongar, serves ongar road, Blanchardstown road south?, blanchardstown centre and then via 39A
39X - remains as normal
39D - new route from hartstown distributor road to whitestown then follows 39X
Needlessly complex with too many sub-routes. The only changes, if any, that need to be made to the routes:- Swap the 39 and 39A route numbers. Main, higher-frequency trunk route should never be a letter suffix.
- Have the new 39A serve the entire length of the Clonsilla Road - cut out the detour up to the Centre and the Hartstown/Huntstown loop.
- If Clonsilla village complains about no more SC service - it's 5 minutes walk to either the 37 or 39; or use the 239. If Blanch village complains, route the 17A through the village instead of the dual carriageway.
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One of the main things I want to just point out to yourself and dodzy is that in my initial suggestion I swapped the numbering of the two 39 routes, with the logic that as the current 39A is the far more serviced and major of the two routing, it should have the main number and not have the letter suffix anymore.Irrespective of whether or not a 39A direct down the clonsilla road is a good idea or not , it won't happen. Blanchardstown centre is too big and important a passenger point .
I don't doubt that in the slightest - when I lived in Blanch village is was a reliable and very helpful bus to take (unlike the 38s...)The 39 in its current form is a good community route that works for ongar, hartstown and Blanchardstown and it gets quite busy too during the day.
Now as for the BRT and the future of the routes in the area, I suspect that once BRT starts up proper the current 39s will be reamalgamated back into a single route to avoid duplication. At that point, I still think that running the 39 down the Clonsilla Road all the way would be the best plan since BRT will cover the Ongar/Harts/Hunts to Blanch Centre traffic.
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