New 39x service starting on 9th October

cython

cython wrote: »

Given that seemingly of the 13 new stops on the Luas, 8 of them will be in the central zone (though this is slightly misleading since 6 of them are on the one way sections), I'd be expecting central to end at the Dominick stop, and Broombridge to be probably a zone further out than the one transitioned to there (i.e. a Zone 3). So a leap fare from Broombridge to Central under that would come in at €2.13, but you should get a Leap 90 discount on that, so €1.13 on top of the train fare to Broombridge.

From Coolmine (my nearest stop) said train fare is €1.73, so total fare then would come in at €2.86 under the current system, again, assuming that Broombridge is put into a similar zone as say Stillorgan on the Green Line. This is a bit more expensive than the equivalent train fare to CC stations at the moment (€2.46 from Coolmine), but could be significantly more convenient inbound. Outbound the prospect of a high frequency service meeting significantly lower frequency is less appealing, mind, as after 8pm weekdays, or indeed any time at the weekend, if you miss a train by 2 mins you're waiting an hour unless IE increase frequency on the line.

Comparing to the bus, that fare is basically within a cent of the expresso fare, and 26c more expensive than the max normal fare, so not terribly unreasonable, I suppose.

Obviously I'm making a massive assumption in guessing the fare zones in the above assessment, but at present the 4 zone fare is actually the same as 3 zone for Luas so there's a margin for error too. I absolutely can't see them putting it into a further out zone than that, and if they do it's torpedoing it a bit before they ever start.

To come back to this, zone info for cross city is out, and all the way out to Broombridge will class as Green 1, which is a pleasant surprise, IMHO. I would have expected Broombridge to be equated with further out than Dundrum, for example, which is the border of the Green zone on the other side.

So under the above calculations (I know there is a revised fare structure coming in December, but to compare like with like), that comes out to 1.73 for the train, plus (since i made the error of using off peak above) 1.70 less 1 for leap 90, to give 2.43 for off peak. Peak would end up being 1.73 + 2.24 (above) or 1.85 (actual) less 1, or 2.97 vs an actual fare of 2.58.

Train fare for Coolmine to Pearse is going up to 2.50 from 2.46 in December, not sure of the Luas changes, but comparing current 2.46 to a would-be of 2.58 at the moment and the fares are a lot closer than I expected.

miamee

Two months in and there are still people surprised when it doesn't stop at their bus stop. I guess the X for express means nothing to them :rolleyes:

thomasj

I cannot wait until Monday when we finally have the train and luas option . Sick of buses at this stage.

ION08

I think this morning's journey on the 39X was the last one for me.

I got onto a freezing cold 39X on the Ongar Road at 7:50am

At 9:00am the bus was turning right over O'Connell bridge onto D'olier street.

Took a solid 25 minutes to get down D'olier street, past Trinity and onto Nassau Street.

Got off on Baggot Street at 9:30am.

In total, 1h40mins on a supposedly "Express" bus - a complete joke.

The fact that I got off the bus and could barley feel my toes is the straw that broke the camels back.

I'm assuming the traffic was this bad because of the the new cross-city LUAS.

If it will be like this going forward I can't see this "Xpress" route working out for too much longer.

January

Signal fault apparently this morning caused the gridlock.

ION08

January wrote: »

Signal fault apparently this morning caused the gridlock.

Thanks, good to know that it's not to be expected going forward.

thomasj

ION08 wrote: »

Thanks, good to know that it's not to be expected going forward.

it would be interesting to see if that is the case..............

Dublin Bus tweeted Friday advising people to leave earlier Monday, anticipating problems. we'll see how it goes this evening but you have to remember it's December and the weathers not the best atm

Phil.x

How is the service now that the luas is crossing the city?

I was going to get it this morning but i think I'll stick with the train.

Phil.x

Change of plan, I got the 07.35 bus, it's a lot busier than the last time I got it.

Shuttle666

Phil.x wrote: »

Change of plan, I got the 07.35 bus, it's a lot busier than the last time I got it.

Yes busy enough, but seldom anyone standing. Time lost getting from Leeson St to the quays the biggest issue coming out from town and they are still experimenting with route post Luas. 4 services only in each direction a bit limiting.

Luas frequency / timings doesn't always make for optimal journey times, and it's a desolate station if you end up with a 20 min wait.

Phil.x

38mins to the quays, now let's see how quick it's down the quays.

ION08

Phil.x wrote: »

38mins to the quays, now let's see how quick it's down the quays.

Getting down the quays , up D‘olier street and past Trinity onto Nassau is the worst part.

Pre-Luas, youd get to O’Connel bridge around 8:30ish ... now it’s always around 8:40-8:45

Phil.x

15 mins down the quays, then another 20min walk for the final 2km.

So just a little late for work.

We need more trains and branches in blanch/clonee IMO.

thomasj

Just to point out that after today, Dublin bus are running, at best, a Saturday service right up until the 2nd January.

So, no xpresso over Christmas.

Phil.x

I wonder how much longer DB will keep the 39 in operation, every morning I see it pass my road and at Max there's two people on it, it's god almighty slow and inefficient.
Also in the evenings I see it heading towards clonsilla station and it's the same, empty.

Maybe it's time to remove it and keep the 39x full-time.

thomasj

Phil.x wrote:

I wonder how much longer DB will keep the 39 in operation, every morning I see it pass my road and at Max there's two people on it, it's god almighty slow and inefficient. Also in the evenings I see it heading towards clonsilla station and it's the same, empty.

Phil.x wrote:

Maybe it's time to remove it and keep the 39x full-time.

The 39 carries good numbers along the route , it's not just about ongar. It picks up numbers along the hartstown loop , through the Clonsilla road, blanch village and along the route closer to the city

Introducing an all day 39x route would be ridiculous, it's limited in it's scope , were talking about a high price limited stop service. There's a reason why you don't see much expresso service outside of peak hours, there's little demand for it.

And sure if you want a faster service to the city, you have a rail connection to a service that will get you to the city faster and you are within walking distance to the 70 route.

Phil.x

thomasj wrote: »

The 39 carries good numbers along the route , it's not just about ongar. It picks up numbers along the hartstown loop , through the Clonsilla road, blanch village and along the route closer to the city

Introducing an all day 39x route would be ridiculous, it's limited in it's scope , were talking about a high price limited stop service. There's a reason why you don't see much expresso service outside of peak hours, there's little demand for it.

And sure if you want a faster service to the city, you have a rail connection to a service that will get you to the city faster and you are within walking distance to the 70 route.

But the 39a does pretty much everything the 39 does.
Trains after peak and on weekends are one per hour, so your going nowhere fast with that option.

If I want to get into town I want it to be as fast as possible and not a day tour of dublin15, if it could be faster I'd happily pay more.
As it is I walk past 3 stops to get the train mon/friday as the bus is too slow.

thomasj

Phil.x wrote:

But the 39a does pretty much everything the 39 does. Trains after peak and on weekends are one per hour, so your going nowhere fast with that option.

It doesn't . Pulling the 39 route would leave the Clonsilla road and coolmine without a service, and no way to get to blanch village or Clonsilla road for people on the 39a route. It's the only city service that passes Clonsilla station .

Phil.x wrote:

If I want to get into town I want it to be as fast as possible and not a day tour of dublin15, if it could be faster I'd happily pay more. As it is I walk past 3 stops to get the train mon/friday as the bus is too slow.

Everyone would want that including myself but the problem with that but DB haven't got the money or resources to accommodate that. Best thing to do is walk down to littlepace and get the 70.

thomasj

Hows peoples experiences of the 39x been this week ? The quays all the way to O'Connell bridge has been a disaster all week.

ION08

thomasj wrote: »

Hows peoples experiences of the 39x been this week ? The quays all the way to O'Connell bridge has been a disaster all week.

O connel bridgge to Nassau street is where it bottlenecks the most. Can sometimes take a good 20 mins.

The whole Dolier street with all of the busses and trying to squeeze past trinity algngside the Luas is a disaster.

It needs to avoid that entire area IMO

thomasj

39X is to be rerouted for part the inbound journey in the city
http://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Rerouting-of-Xpresso-Services-using-College-Street/

Route 39x towards Burlington Road
Normal route to Bachelors Walk, divert to Eden Quay, right via Rosie Hackett Bridge, Hawkins Street, Townsend Street, Lombard Street, Westland Row, Merrion Square, Merrion Street Upper, left on to Baggot Street and back on to normal route. Route 39x will now serve stop 4495 Hawkins Street, stop 2809 Westland Row and 2810 Merrion Square. Please see map below for stop locations.

Phil.x

I can see major delays for the 39a unless they put in a bus lane on Tara street down to the quays.

thomasj

Phil.x wrote:

I can see major delays for the 39a unless they put in a bus lane on Tara street down to the quays.

Most 39as have been using Tara street over the last few months. It was always drivers discretion whether they chose Westmoreland street or Tara street and 90% of drivers chose Tara street over Westmoreland street.

Same applies to the 37/39/39x/70

Phil.x

thomasj wrote: »

Most 39as have been using Tara street over the last few months. It was always drivers discretion whether they chose Westmoreland street or Tara street and 90% of drivers chose Tara street over Westmoreland street.

Same applies to the 37/39/39x/70

So we're going back to the bad old days, I remember Tara street years ago, before the bus lane outside the cop shop, and it was a nightmare trying to get down Tara street to turn left onto the quays and now with the new general traffic restrictions on the quays it's going to be madness unless they stick a bus lane in.

I had the misfortune of driving on George's quay over the Christmas when schools and most people were on holidays and at 11.30am it took me 20mins to get from ulsterbank on George's quay to o Connell bridge, let the madness commence I'm happy to stick with the overcrowded trains.

Cathmandooo

Phil.x wrote: »

So we're going back to the bad old days, I remember Tara street years ago, before the bus lane outside the cop shop, and it was a nightmare trying to get down Tara street to turn left onto the quays and now with the new general traffic restrictions on the quays it's going to be madness unless they stick a bus lane in.

I had the misfortune of driving on George's quay over the Christmas when schools and most people were on holidays and at 11.30am it took me 20mins to get from ulsterbank on George's quay to o Connell bridge, let the madness commence I'm happy to stick with the overcrowded trains.

No bus lane needed on Tara St. When traffic is heavy the bus goes up the middle lane, continues over the Liffey and turns left onto Eden Quay into a contra flow bus lane, back over Rosie Hackett Bridge and then right onto Burgh(?) Quay. It skips all the traffic on Tara Street. The only issue is the light sequence leaving Rosie Hackett Bridge, you can sit there for a few light changes before you get to move. They need to sequence those lights with the O'Connell Bridge ones to get the buses moving off Rosie Hackett Bridge.

Shuttle666

7:15 departure hit Merrion Square just about 8:15 so it's an improvement. As the the lady who needs to have a phone conversation for the entire hour, grateful for the headphones at this hour!

Phil.x

Shuttle666 wrote: »

7:15 departure hit Merrion Square just about 8:15 so it's an improvement. As the the lady who needs to have a phone conversation for the entire hour, grateful for the headphones at this hour!

What's the return leg like, is it on time, are any of the 39a on time.

Shuttle666

Phil.x wrote: »

What's the return leg like, is it on time, are any of the 39a on time.

I'm seldom out on time to get a 39x, and they are prone to actually leave the terminus early, but at least you can chase after them and get on after it gets through the Molesworth/Kildare Street lights. As for the 39a, coming out from town, trains to Hanesfield or Clonsilla normally a better option for me.

darcey1971

Slightly off topic, related to the 39A, apologies.

I get the 39A to work in UCD. I catch the bus at 8.25-8.30am, after the school drop-off, so there is unfortunately no way I can leave any earlier.

The closest bus stop to me takes in the Hartstown/Hunstown loop which means I would be late for work, so in order to bypass this I have to run to the stop before the shopping centre to catch the bus.

The gridlock on the Quays has been so bad since the Luas extension that there is now no guarantee I will make it into UCD by 10am. Yesterday I got to the Quays at 9.05am, at 9.50am the bus had only reached the Trinity entrance at Nassau Street. Total chaos. I was late for work at 10.15am.

This morning I got off the bus at Inn's Quay at 9am, ran to Nassau Street and caught another 39A. I made it to UCD by 9.30am.

But in order to do this I had to run about 2.5km overall and pay twice for a bus journey.

Something has to give.

LostinBlanch

I agree with you about having to run to change bus, you have Owen Keegan to thank for that.

But one thing that pisses me off about Dublin Bus is that ever since they brought in the Leap Card they stopped the tickets that allowed you to board different buses within 90 minutes on the same ticket. Charging you twice to complete your journey.

MrMorooka

LostinBlanch wrote: »

But one thing that pisses me off about Dublin Bus is that ever since they brought in the Leap Card they stopped the tickets that allowed you to board different buses within 90 minutes on the same ticket. Charging you twice to complete your journey.

That's a built-in feature of the Leap Card : https://about.leapcard.ie/leap-90, an automatic discount when you change bus.

darcey1971

The 90 minute transfer 'savings' is the only light at the end of the tunnel

I sent an email detailing my route this morning to Mr. Keegan, Mr. Ross and Mr. Varadkar (who himself took a mere 75 minutes to get to work yesterday morning)

I don't expect much of a response, so in the meantime I guess I'll just keep running

Phil.x

darcey1971 wrote: »

Slightly off topic, related to the 39A, apologies.

I get the 39A to work in UCD. I catch the bus at 8.25-8.30am, after the school drop-off, so there is unfortunately no way I can leave any earlier.

The closest bus stop to me takes in the Hartstown/Hunstown loop which means I would be late for work, so in order to bypass this I have to run to the stop before the shopping centre to catch the bus.

The gridlock on the Quays has been so bad since the Luas extension that there is now no guarantee I will make it into UCD by 10am. Yesterday I got to the Quays at 9.05am, at 9.50am the bus had only reached the Trinity entrance at Nassau Street. Total chaos. I was late for work at 10.15am.

This morning I got off the bus at Inn's Quay at 9am, ran to Nassau Street and caught another 39A. I made it to UCD by 9.30am.

But in order to do this I had to run about 2.5km overall and pay twice for a bus journey.

Something has to give.

That's grim, and the luas V.I.P.'S want more buses and taxis removed, buses that carry more people than the luas so their mistakes can be justified.

ongarboy

darcey1971 wrote: »

Slightly off topic, related to the 39A, apologies.

I get the 39A to work in UCD. I catch the bus at 8.25-8.30am, after the school drop-off, so there is unfortunately no way I can leave any earlier.

The closest bus stop to me takes in the Hartstown/Hunstown loop which means I would be late for work, so in order to bypass this I have to run to the stop before the shopping centre to catch the bus.

The gridlock on the Quays has been so bad since the Luas extension that there is now no guarantee I will make it into UCD by 10am. Yesterday I got to the Quays at 9.05am, at 9.50am the bus had only reached the Trinity entrance at Nassau Street. Total chaos. I was late for work at 10.15am.

This morning I got off the bus at Inn's Quay at 9am, ran to Nassau Street and caught another 39A. I made it to UCD by 9.30am.

But in order to do this I had to run about 2.5km overall and pay twice for a bus journey.

Something has to give.

If Clonsilla station is near you, I'd recommend getting a train to Pearse, then change to DART and get off at Sydney Parade. It's about 20mins walk from there to UCD then. It might be quicker if the buses continue to be diabolical.

Stephen15

ongarboy wrote: »

If Clonsilla station is near you, I'd recommend getting a train to Pearse, then change to DART and get off at Sydney Parade. It's about 20mins walk from there to UCD then. It might be quicker if the buses continue to be diabolical.

Isin't there some trains that go to Bray and call at Sydney Parade

Phil.x

Anybody know if the 39/a/x is delayed in the evenings due to rerouting down Tara street.

thomasj

40 minutes on the 39A to get from hartstown to Ormond quay this morning. Knew the loop would be quieter but the cabra road and the quays were great this morning .

miamee

Mid term break for some schools, isn't it? Should be the same tomorrow.

Phil.x

thomasj wrote: »

40 minutes on the 39A to get from hartstown to Ormond quay this morning. Knew the loop would be quieter but the cabra road and the quays were great this morning .

That's (nearly)normal for the 39x from ravenswood area to bachelors walk, maybe 45mins.

BGozIE

How is this route going now? Wondering if you would get a spot 7:30 ish at the Blanchardstown stop (as in at the back of TKMaxx)?

Any ides on a rough travel time to Bachelors Walk?

Cheers!

iba

BGozIE wrote: »

How is this route going now? Wondering if you would get a spot 7:30 ish at the Blanchardstown stop (as in at the back of TKMaxx)?

Any ides on a rough travel time to Bachelors Walk?

Cheers!

It's not really the back of to max maybe more like woodies, terrible place for a stop. From there to BW , about an hour. From BW to Nassau Street, 30 minutes.

BGozIE

iba wrote: »

It's not really the back of to max maybe more like woodies, terrible place for a stop. From there to BW , about an hour. From BW to Nassau Street, 30 minutes.

Ah ok, its the stop further down. Thanks for that!

I'm a little surprised that the xpresso takes so long to BW - then again its been awhile since I've used the bus - thanks again!

iba

BGozIE wrote: »

Ah ok, its the stop further down. Thanks for that!

I'm a little surprised that the xpresso takes so long to BW - then again its been awhile since I've used the bus - thanks again!

Well it gets stuck, like all the other buses, on the Cabra road, stoney batter and the quays.

Phil.x

BGozIE wrote: »

How is this route going now? Wondering if you would get a spot 7:30 ish at the Blanchardstown stop (as in at the back of TKMaxx)?

Any ides on a rough travel time to Bachelors Walk?

Cheers!

On my previous posts here, on the 19/12/17 it took me 38mins from up near ongar area to the quays then I said 15mins to bachelors walk, but that 15min is a Max, I've done it before in 8mins.

thomasj

Got on the 39a in hartstown this morning at 8.48, got off on Ormond quay at 9.30

Veloce

I got the 39x this morning - I got on at the Allendale Roundabout at 7:24am and got off outside the Four Courts at 07:56am. That was lightning quick.

I assume when the schools are back this would be 15mins+ longer.

thomasj

Veloce wrote:

I got the 39x this morning - I got on at the Allendale Roundabout at 7:24am and got off outside the Four Courts at 07:56am. That was lightning quick.

Veloce wrote:

I assume when the schools are back this would be 15mins+ longer.

The 07:45 39x didn't run this morning , and that wasn't the only one . The 08:50 39a didn't show up either.

fletch

thomasj wrote: »

The 07:45 39x didn't run this morning

What happened it?

thomasj

fletch wrote:

What happened it?

Don't know , Dublin bus replied to a tweet that it didn't run due to an operational issue.

ongarboy

Trains were messed up Thursday evening due to signal failure so I hopped on 39x home at 6:07pm at Aston Quay for first time, arrived in Allendale, Ongar at 6:45 and I was in my house at 6:50. 50 minutes total from work desk to home which is about 5 minutes less than my usual door to door train and walk commute. Impressive!!

Is 40 minutes frim Ongar to O'Connell bridge an average journey time does anyone know if did the Easter break improve times?