Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

It's just so wrong. Imagine if I rocked into your work tomorrow and accused you, or your brother or your father of something- and on the basis of that allegation alone you/they got the sack! It's just so fcuked up. It's the complete opposite of the premise of our justice system.
What is the point in even having courts of law if a single accusation alone can consequentially lose you your livelihood.
It's really worrying.

In the interests of accuracy, that's not really how it works, there was an enquiry. And if he feels due process and natural justice was not observed, he is entitled to appeal it, and ultimately head to the Courts.

So it's not really on the basis of an allegation, it is on the basis of an investigation, findings and a disciplinary procedure. That's the premise of a justice system.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In the interests of accuracy, that's not really how it works, there was an enquiry. And if he feels due process and natural justice was not observed, he is entitled to appeal it, and ultimately head to the Courts.

So it's not really on the basis of an allegation, it is on the basis of an investigation, findings and a disciplinary procedure. That's the premise of a justice system.

Fair enough. But there is something really wrong with sacking someone before the police have even concluded their investigation. That's the part that doesn't sit right with me.

meeeeh

pjohnson wrote: »

In this new modern world any mention of "rape" may aswell be a instant death sentence for the accused.

IF they are guilty then they deserve it but if they are innocent they still have the same fate. Its not rocket science to realise not 100% of all claims are 100% true. Yet certain people insist they are always true and should never ever be investigated/questioned. Bizzare but suits an agenda I guess.

If you are trying to sell a show any negative publicity is harmful. It's not fair but it's completely logical not to have someone with that kind of baggage in your ensemble. I know nothing about Corrie and even less about man in question but contract can be cancelled for multiple reasons and not all are made public. It's different for those with less public personas. A production line employee can have list of charges without ever affecting profitability of the company.

It's all about profit, not about what is fair.

Neyite

anna080 wrote: »

Fair enough. But there is something really wrong with sacking someone before the police have even concluded their investigation. That's the part that doesn't sit right with me.

To me, the sacking of the Corrie actor based on one uncorroborated allegation is jumping the gun - but I wonder is it that Corrie bosses are happy to use this as a reason to break contract? After all, the allegations towards the blokes who played Kevin and Ken are undoubtably more serious yet they their employment was not terminated. Is it because they were bigger stars and their removal might affect ratings, but this actor is expendable?

That's just the same Hollywood politics playing out on a smaller stage. HW was not touched until his star was on the wane. As long as a star is generating the ratings which translate to hard cash for the money men behind the scenes, they won't kill their golden goose - no matter what that goose gets up to.

Look carefully at any 'big' names that are now being accused along with HW. With a bit of digging you'll see that they might not have generated decent box office takings or had a few hits in a while. Their stardom will be descending. They'll be the ones outed and hounded out of town. Thrown to the baying mob. And I'm sure that many will use this as a way of getting rid of competition or rivals in the business too.

The same rumours towards those at the top of their game, or the ones who are successful and destined to be even more so, won't get a mention.

RabbleRouser2k

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5028427/Terry-Richardson-exposed-Paris-restaurant.html

Terry Richardson everyone-a massive piece of excrement. But he's not the only one who pulled these stunts. Damien Hirst would do this 'trick' with the foreskin of his penis, where he'd make it look like chewing gum stuck to his trousers, then ask people for help 'flicking it off'-and laugh to himself. Not all artists are like this-most definitely not-but the utter scumbags practically demand attention.

padser wrote: »

It doesn't seem fair to you, because it's not.

We have moved into a place where unproven allegations regularly cost men (it's always men) their jobs either permanently or temporarily pending an investigation.

While there are some situations where it's necessary (e.g. a teacher) in most cases (e.g. a t.v. show) it's not.

It's wrong - and just because the it's in response to another wrong (sexual assault) doesn't make it suddenly right.

People are entitled to be proven guilty before being punished.

In recent times, the most high profile teacher sackings were female, after accusations by a male student(s)-there was either one or more. When it went to trial, the teachers were found guilty.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bbc-sports-presenter-george-riley-11428775
The BBC have suspended a presenter based on harassment claims. I think this is a much fairer way of dealing with things. If an accusation is made, suspend pending an investigation.

I don't agree with how Corrie dealt with this-but it feels like there is something else we're not hearing about. (If not-then those who mocked people when they said there would be a witchhunt might be worried-a few of those who threw stones found they live in glass houses).

We know the behaviour of many soap actors (including on Corrie) have 'questionable behaviour'-Jack P. Sheperd, for one, has threekids, one after an affair, two with his now ex girlfriend (who forgave him for the affair-despite them being together 15 yrs)-guy's not even 30 yet. Another actor was fired last yr for racist tweets.

RabbleRouser2k

Well, the Kevin Spacey floodgates are opening up.

Anthony Rapp, Star Trek Discovery actor, has alleged Spacey tried to have sex with him when he was 14, and Space was 26.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14?utm_term=.xv12YE3g2#.laeL2MlvL

Hammer89

Hollywood is horrible really, isn't it? This was pretty obvious with the Weinstein stuff, but I've just read Kevin Spacey's statement on the accusation, in which he comes out as gay. It's a bit of a masterstroke in PR because Anthony Rapp's accusation was big news for about an hour, before Spacey's management deflected attention away from the whole 'attempted sexual abuse of a child' angle by telling him to come out.

That's the story now. You'll see nothing about would-be paedophilia in the headlines as a result. It now looks like Spacey is the brave one for finally addressing rumours that have been swirling around for years. What a horrible c*nt this bloke is. Same goes for his squad of management.

blinding

Didn’t everyone know Kevin Spacey was gay .

marklazarcovic

blinding wrote: »

Didn’t everyone know Kevin Spacey was gay .

Not a dig but a perfect example of the deflection his 'coming out' tweet achieved.

blinding

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Not a dig but a perfect example of the deflection his 'coming out' tweet achieved.

It seems to have been a very clever legally constructed press release .

No clear admission and then some deflection . By some accounts his “ cleverness " is not going down to well .

BillyBobBS

Hammer89 wrote: »

Hollywood is horrible really, isn't it? This was pretty obvious with the Weinstein stuff, but I've just read Kevin Spacey's statement on the accusation, in which he comes out as gay. It's a bit of a masterstroke in PR because Anthony Rapp's accusation was big news for about an hour, before Spacey's management deflected attention away from the whole 'attempted sexual abuse of a child' angle by telling him to come out.

That's the story now. You'll see nothing about would-be paedophilia in the headlines as a result. It now looks like Spacey is the brave one for finally addressing rumours that have been swirling around for years. What a horrible c*nt this bloke is. Same goes for his squad of management.

This kind of carry on is rife in Pedowood i'd say. Spacey not remembering it happened is frightening. How many other times has he tried this on and gotten away with it with minors? What a cess pit.

ricero

Kevin spacey a vile and disgusting man now in my eyes

suicide_circus

He may have got up on a 14 year old boy but don't worry about that because LOOK OVER HERE he's actually A GAY.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

ricero wrote: »

Kevin spacey a vile and disgusting man now in my eyes

You haven't heard even a fraction of it yet. I will remind everyone that I posted a flight log earlier that revealed Kevin Spacey was a passenger on the notorious Lolita Airways that was being run by convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

As warped as the whole thing is, these Hollywood types are small time crooks compared to what's coming next...just wait and see.

mikeysmith

The gay community can't be too happy with his statement

RobbingBandit

You've gotta wonder just who will be the biggest name to be accused when the dust finally settles on this .

mikeysmith

RobbingBandit wrote: »

You've gotta wonder just who will be the biggest name to be accused when the dust finally settles on this .

I'm looking forward to the smug BBC presenter being outed

The_Kew_Tour

Did Spacey just click the Panic Button and made things worse?

retro:electro

Spacey's statement is fcuking bizarre. "I don't remember that- whoops". Pretty much sums up the first paragraph.
But it the next paragraph that's a real head scratcher- this story has encouraged me to address other things about my life.....
Did he just make a connection between supposed paedophelia and homosexuality? Wtf.
I chose to live as a gay man. I want to deal with this openly and honestly and that starts with explaining my own behavour ...
You mean explaining the fact you don't remember seducing a 14 year old? Yea being gay doesn't explain that.

Coming out as gay in response to his attempt at scoring with a 14-year-old is... ugh.

He probably thought, "hey, people love it when someone famous comes out as gay".

take everything

anna080 wrote: »

Spacey's statement is fcuking bizarre. "I don't remember that- whoops". Pretty much sums up the first paragraph.
But it the next paragraph that's a real head scratcher- this story has encouraged me to address other things about my life.....
Did he just make a connection between supposed paedophelia and homosexuality? Wtf.
I chose to live as a gay man. I want to deal with this openly and honestly and that starts with explaining my own behavour ...
You mean explaining the fact you don't remember seducing a 14 year old? Yea being gay doesn't explain that.

Very odd statement from Spacey.
"I don't remember...".
WTF.

I could be wrong but methinks he's going for the Stephen Fry defence (where the age of consent is a bit more fluid in homosexual relationships). Someone please correct me if I'm way off here. Don't want to be offending a whole demographic.

So yeah Spacey looks guilty as sin there.
Just my take.

Yea the wording is very important here, I believe. He says he doesn't remember. Not that he denies such allegations, but that he doesn't remember. Which, to me, means it is plausible that it happened.

You just have to wonder how many times he does actually remember ...

Outlaw Pete

I'd say Spacey officially came out as gay to cut some stories off at that pass as it were. He would know that had he just said he didn't remember and left it at that, the door would have left the door wide open for a bunch of stories discussing his sexuality and no doubt they would have no trouble finding ex-lovers of his to sell their stories confirming Spacey as gay. This takes the sting out of all that and makes speculation almost pointless. It deflects away from the accusation too of course. Two birds with one stone. Dickhead extraordinaire of course but a good move from him.

suicide_circus

take everything wrote: »

Very odd statement from Spacey.
"I don't remember...".
WTF.

I could be wrong but methinks he's going for the Stephen Fry defence (where the age of consent is a bit more fluid in homosexual relationships). Someone please correct me if I'm way off here. Don't want to be offending a whole demographic.

So yeah Spacey looks guilty as sin there.
Just my take.

I thought that was the David Norris defence?

silverharp

a pedo is a pedo , Corey Haim was used like a chew toy at that age and it ruined his life. Spacey shouldnt be able to talk his way out of this

Billy86

I don't think it's quite as savvy as he would have hoped. I just read it now, put 'Kevin spacey' into google on the mobile and about 80-90% of the results had 14 year old or something to that effect in the title.

retro:electro

Interesting how he chose to say "I don't remember", instead of "I would never do such a thing"..

Very telling.

Outlaw Pete

Billy86 wrote: »

I don't think it's quite as savvy as he would have hoped. I just read it now, put 'Kevin spacey' into google on the mobile and about 80-90% of the results had 14 year old or something to that effect in the title.

It was like that before he released his statement though. Had he not come out as gay then there would have been exes of his queuing up sell stories which the rags would have presented as outing Spacey as a liar and how that means he must have abused that kid as well he does sleep with men.... etc. It's not that what he did stopped this story it's that it prevented so many other stories, or at least the exclusivity of them.

suicide_circus

silverharp wrote: »

a pedo is a pedo , Corey Haim was used like a chew toy at that age and it ruined his life. Spacey shouldnt be able to talk his way out of this

Probably paederast rather than paedophile

silverharp

suicide_circus wrote: »

Probably paederast rather than paedophile

ok but its still an abusive relationship

suicide_circus

silverharp wrote: »

ok but its still an abusive relationship

Since we're not living in classical Greece, yes absolutely.

blinding

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

You haven't heard even a fraction of it yet. I will remind everyone that I posted a flight log earlier that revealed Kevin Spacey was a passenger on the notorious Lolita Airways that was being run by convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

As warped as the whole thing is, these Hollywood types are small time crooks compared to what's coming next...just wait and see.

Is that Prince Andrew’s friend and wasn’t there some rumours of underage girls there also .

Billy86

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It was like that before he released his statement though. Had he not come out as gay then there would have been exes of his queuing up sell stories which the rags would have presented as outing Spacey as a liar and how that means he must have abused that kid as well he does sleep with men.... etc. It's not that what he did stopped this story it's that it prevented so many other stories, or at least the exclusivity of them.

Potentially, but I don't think it really leaves the flood gates closed because more stories will still sell, so the cynicism of news media may still (rightfully) f*ck him over. With a bit of luck and justice he'll wind up like Jeffrey Jones.

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

Coming out as gay in response to his attempt at scoring with a 14-year-old is... ugh.

He probably thought, "hey, people love it when someone famous comes out as gay".

which might have been news in 1997

Outlaw Pete

Billy86 wrote: »

Potentially, but I don't think it really leaves the flood gates closed because more stories will still sell...

Yeah, but like I said, they won't have much exclusivity now with regards to his sexuality given that he has now outed himself. If he hadn't, then the angle of the stories would all have been 'He must have tried to seduce that underage boy as look, he's gay and he's lying about that too'. Now stories with any of his exes will just be stories with his exes. Unless of course they can find someone he slept with that was underage of course, which I wouldn't say is beyond the bounds of possibility at all.

He could very well be tied up in the Corey Haim stuff too as Spacey was a big name from the mid-90's and he would fit in with some of their statements if perhaps not them all.

server down

I assumed he outed himself a few years ago.

silverharp

looks like Seth knew something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVIU7iEVl58

BillyBobBS

How deep does this go that's the question. There is plenty of stuff out there about political figureheads in the UK in particular taking part in sex parties with children as recent as 2010. It's blindingly obvious there is a large cohort of these sick pedos in positions of power both in the UK and the US. But that's them and tbh i'm more worried about what goes on here in our own country were let's face it we have previous in this area.

_Dara_

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I'd say Spacey officially came out as gay to cut some stories off at that pass as it were. He would know that had he just said he didn't remember and left it at that, the door would have left the door wide open for a bunch of stories discussing his sexuality and no doubt they would have no trouble finding ex-lovers of his to sell their stories confirming Spacey as gay. This takes the sting out of all that and makes speculation almost pointless. It deflects away from the accusation too of course. Two birds with one stone. Dickhead extraordinaire of course but a good move from him.

A good move - are you mad? His statement reads as conflating homosexuality with sexual deviance, feeding into homophobic prejudice. A few kiss and tells might come out? Big fucking deal. He’s a thick-skinned celebrity. Trying to explain away his actions by coming out is sickening and is in the same arena as Weinstein trying to engender sympathy for himself instead of his victims.

_Dara_

Deleted User wrote: »

Coming out as gay in response to his attempt at scoring with a 14-year-old is... ugh.

He probably thought, "hey, people love it when someone famous comes out as gay".

Lol, yeah, totally. He was probably like “Hey, people are really PC these days so nobody will criticise me because I’m gay!”. Er, no, Kev. Being gay doesn’t excuse it.

Wibbs

_Dara_ wrote: »

Lol, yeah, totally. He was probably like “Hey, people are really PC these days so nobody will criticise me because I’m gay!”. Er, no, Kev. Being gay doesn’t excuse it.

It also shows how out of touch he is. Yes people are more accepting, but not like in the Lovey Town he inhabits. Note how gay men who have rumours around them about partying with younger men. It's seen as bad, even if the guys are of age, but straight men with much younger women rarely gets a mention and if it does it doesn't get nearly as much of a "creep" factor applied to it. Mick Jagger a great grandfather is now apparently going out with a 22 year old and that gets more of a "you go Mick!" type reaction. Imagine a gay 70 odd year old with a 22 year old man. Way worse reaction.

Regardless, Spacey/his handlers clearly released the coming out thing as a deflection. Looking for sympathy which is BS and does gay folks no good. Like he gives a damn of course... Though I give the average person more credit and it looks like most are seeing this cynical half apology and deflection for the ballsology it is.

_Dara_

Wibbs wrote: »

It also shows how out of touch he is. Yes people are more accepting, but not like in the Lovey Town he inhabits. Note how gay men who have rumours around them about partying with younger men. It's seen as bad, even if the guys are of age, but straight men with much younger women rarely gets a mention and if it does it doesn't get nearly as much of a "creep" factor applied to it. Mick Jagger a great grandfather is now apparently going out with a 22 year old and that gets more of a "you go Mick!" type reaction. Imagine a gay 70 odd year old with a 22 year old man. Way worse reaction.

Regardless, Spacey/his handlers clearly released the coming out thing as a deflection. Looking for sympathy which is BS and does gay folks no good. Like he gives a damn of course... Though I give the average person more credit and it looks like most are seeing this cynical half apology and deflection for the ballsology it is.

Thankfully, yes, people seem to be seeing through it. Doesn’t give people much credit, does he?

And a long-standing homophobic prejudice is that homosexuality and sexual deviance go hand-in-hand. Well done for feeding that, Kev.

Outlaw Pete

_Dara_ wrote: »

A few kiss and tells might come out? Big fucking deal.

You missed my point by a country mile, well done.

I didn't say that him coming out was a good move as it would mean that he would avoid kiss and tell stories. I said that him coming out would change the angle that the press would be able to take which such stories. A completely different point to the one you're suggesting I was making.

Here is my comment again:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If he hadn't [come out] then the angle of the stories would all have been 'He must have tried to seduce that underage boy as look, he's gay and he's lying about that too'. Now stories with any of his exes will just be stories with his exes.

You see the media could have ran stories over the next few weeks labeling him a liar, saying that they have proof he is gay along then with the subtext that: 'Well, if he is lying about his sexuality maybe he did try to rape that underage boy all those years ago after all!'. Coming out means they can't inject the same level of doubt into his denial as they would have been able to had he not done so.

He’s a thick-skinned celebrity. Trying to explain away his actions by coming out is sickening and is in the same arena as Weinstein trying to engender sympathy for himself instead of his victims.

Absolutely, which is why I referred to him as dickhead.

Outlaw Pete

Jaysus.


https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/924979615294214144

blinding

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Jaysus.

https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/924979615294214144

No Christmas card exchange there I suggest .

We laugh at what we are afraid of you know ?

Frankie Lee

A lot of great films tainted now.

Outlaw Pete

Wibbs wrote: »

Though I give the average person more credit and it looks like most are seeing this cynical half apology and deflection for the ballsology it is.

You would hope........ but I wouldn't be so sure given that much of the media took the bait and ran with the narrative he was hoping they would.



https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/924857577728552960
https://twitter.com/enews/status/924862854456659969
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/924868463432290305

Wibbs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Jaysus.


https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/924979615294214144

"Like Harvey we all knew about u(sic)". Well done love, you "all" selectively did nothing while this guy was allegedly sexually harassing people for years? #slowhandclap. And "U" can hardly hide behind the excuse that unlike Harvey Spacey had far less power over careers in the greater scheme of things.

Ipso

So it looks like modern day abuse cases are going to be played out in hash tags instead of courts.

Outlaw Pete

A new Harvey rape allegation. This one unique in that it's said to have occurred in the 1970's.

Ms. Exiner d’Amore had worked for Mr. Weinstein for just a few weeks when he asked if she’d like to take a trip to New York City. Both of them were in their 20s, living in Buffalo in the late 1970s.

She was working for Mr. Weinstein’s concert promotion company, Harvey and Corky Productions, doing odd jobs. She was interested in film, so when Mr. Weinstein asked if she wanted to come to New York City to meet with people in the industry, she agreed.

When they got to the Park Lane Hotel, Mr. Weinstein went to the check-in desk while she waited elsewhere in the lobby, Ms. Exiner d’Amore recalled. He returned and said there had been a mistake with the reservations; there was only one room. They would have to share.

“I gave him a look like that was ridiculous,” she recalled. But she ultimately agreed, assuming it was harmless. When she got into bed that night, she said, he slipped in next to her, naked.

“I told him no. I kept pushing him away. He just wouldn’t listen,” Ms. Exiner d’Amore said. “He just forced himself on me.” She said he forcibly performed oral sex and intercourse on her.

She did not tell her boyfriend, feeling ashamed, but she did confide in her next-door neighbors in Buffalo. She did not specifically say she was raped, but the couple, David and Irene Sipos, told The Times that they remembered her being extremely upset and crying when she told them about Mr. Weinstein and the hotel room.

After the trip, Ms. Exiner d’Amore said, Mr. Weinstein kept asking her out and offered her credit cards to go on shopping sprees. She declined. Within three or four weeks, she was fired.

“It was a relief,” she said. “I hated being there.”

Ms. Exiner d’Amore never went into the film industry. She got a job administering an undergraduate program at Cornell University, and later moved on to jobs in fund-raising.