Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Wibbs

Ipso wrote: »

So it looks like modern day abuse cases are going to be played out in hash tags instead of courts.

With the media notice boxes anyway. They're so attention hungry it's all they crave. Spotlight vampires for the most part.

Going to court, or calling perverts out when "they all knew about it at the time", requires much more spine than firing off a tweet. And I think people are beginning to see them for the hypocrites they are.

RobertKK

I thought Kevin was coming out about his future relations in prison.

Ipso

Could it be that someone like Tom Cruise might actually be one of the normal ones in Hollywood?

suicide_circus

Ipso wrote: »

Could it be that someone like Tom Cruise might actually be one of the normal ones in Hollywood?

Tbh I think lecherous behaviour was normal

Outlaw Pete

Wibbs wrote: »

"Like Harvey we all knew about u(sic)". Well done love, you "all" selectively did nothing while this guy was allegedly sexually harassing people for years? #slowhandclap. And "U" can hardly hide behind the excuse that unlike Harvey Spacey had far less power over careers in the greater scheme of things.

She's been getting similar responses since her tweet went out and her reply:


https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/925027999556292608


She's only digging deeper now if anything:


https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/924987736519593984

https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/924989435804094464

retro:electro

Rose's Twitter page makes my head spin

Ipso

Wibbs wrote: »

"Like Harvey we all knew about u(sic)". Well done love, you "all" selectively did nothing while this guy was allegedly sexually harassing people for years? #slowhandclap. And "U" can hardly hide behind the excuse that unlike Harvey Spacey had far less power over careers in the greater scheme of things.

"Now that I just said I didn't report a degenerate to the police, let me lecture you on Donald Trump"

retro:electro

Ipso wrote: »

"Now that I just said I didn't report a degenerate to the police, let me lecture you on Donald Trump"

Wasn't she attacking everyone in sight for knowing about Weinstein- yet she's just admitted she knew about Spacey and did/said nothing.

Ipso

anna080 wrote: »

Wasn't she attacking everyone in sight for knowing about Weinstein- yet she's just admitted she knew about Spacey and did/said nothing.

Forget it, Anna. It's Rosie O'Donnell.

Outlaw Pete

That's two for two now with Seth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCNvREKTnQc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYpx8yXLmg

_Dara_

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You missed my point by a country mile, well done.

Sigh. Maybe you should make your point a bit clearer then. People seem to constantly be missing the point you are trying to make. Why is that?

Bringing up his sexuality is nothing more than deflection and a cynical attempt to tap into the liberal zeitgeist.

Outlaw Pete

_Dara_ wrote: »

Sigh. Maybe you should make your point a bit clearer then.

Bringing up his sexuality is nothing more than deflection and a cynical attempt to tap into the liberal zeitgeist.

You say my posts should be clearer but yet then suggest I am of the opinion that him coming out was not a deflection..... of course it was a deflection and I said as much in my post. Maybe read it this time:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

This takes the sting out of all that and makes speculation almost pointless. It deflects away from the accusation too of course. Two birds with one stone.

You seem to see what you want in my posts and ignore what you don't.

Wibbs

His wording is a bit suspect too. "I chose to live as a gay man". Chose? Ehh. Being gay isn't a choice, neither is being straight.

_Dara_

Wibbs wrote: »

His wording is a bit suspect too. "I chose to live as a gay man". Chose? Ehh. Being gay isn't a choice, neither is being straight.

Yeah, that leapt out at me too. “Chose”, huh?

silverharp

netflix is pulling house of cards after season 6

Itssoeasy

silverharp wrote: »

netflix is pulling house of cards after season 6

This whole Kevin Spacey thing is utterly bizarre.

ThunbergsAreGo

silverharp wrote: »

netflix is pulling house of cards after season 6

Seems a big step for what is a single unproven allegation.

Wonder does it mean there is alot more to come

_Dara_

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You say my posts should be clearer but yet then suggest I am of the opinion that him coming out was not a deflection..... of course it was a deflection and I said as much in my post. Maybe read it this time:



You seem to see what you want in my posts and ignore what you don't.

You said it was a smart move. Deflection isn’t particularly smart so you don’t just think it’s about deflection. You are giving him more credit than he deserves. It’s deflection and nothing more.

Hande hoche!

Very strange behaviour by Spacey.

silverharp wrote: »

netflix is pulling house of cards after season 6

No harm. It was stretching in the last season. Also felt very dated in the current political climate.

Itssoeasy

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Very strange behaviour by Spacey.



No harm. It was stretching in the last season. Also felt very dated in the current political climate.

It was. I mean it read to me like two separate statements combined as one. I honestly don't care if Kevin Spacey is gay or not but the way it was put together it could be read as him saying him being gay is a reason for what is alleged to have happened.

OnDraught

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That's two for two now with Seth.

Apart from it’s actually about two for seventy or something.

Are the police formally investigating anything that has come out from this yet?

Surely these victims should be making complaints and taking it from there.

Yakult

I'm just wondering how long until the paedophile ring in Hollywood is exposed? This is merely the tip of the ice berg.

Outlaw Pete

_Dara_ wrote: »

Deflection isn’t particularly smart....

Oh deflection absolutely is smart. Which is why PR folk spend their whole careers engaging in it.

You are giving him more credit than he deserves. It’s deflection and nothing more.

It's more than deflection because of the reasons I outlined. Had he not come out as gay the media would be now focused on him denying his sexuality. They could then write article after article attempting to out him and finishing each one off by reminding readers that Kevin Spacey has been accused of attempting to sexually assault an underage boy.

I get that it's not palatable to many that he is coming out as gay in response to this accusation (it shows what a scumbag he is for one) but you're naive if you can't see that by aligning himself with a minority hasn't closed off certain avenues of reporting which would have made the headlines today far worse for him.

strandroad

naughtb4 wrote: »

Seems a big step for what is a single unproven allegation.

Wonder does it mean there is alot more to come

There probably is. That Kevin Spacey is gay was known long ago and not the issue as such, but there were also stories like these:
http://defamer.gawker.com/people-keep-telling-us-about-kevin-spacey-s-aggressive-1686507320
Basically he was not only cruising or partying, but he would go after people on set and get them fired if they wouldn't respond.

So, not that it's nearly as important as proper investigation and prosecution where appropriate...but as an aside what careers are over?

Surely Weinstein and Spacey are gone now. Affleck?

brooke 2

blinding wrote: »

Didn’t everyone know Kevin Spacey was gay .

Yes, but he often denied it in the past. IIRC, the Daily Mail tried to out him a few years ago and I think he may have sued them. He subsequently denied
he was gay. It was no secret when he was in Ireland, or working in theatre in London, that he liked boys.

brooke 2

BillyBobBS wrote: »

This kind of carry on is rife in Pedowood i'd say. Spacey not remembering it happened is frightening. How many other times has he tried this on and gotten away with it with minors? What a cess pit.

The wording of his statement clearly shows that he was well lawyered up.

KKkitty

Found this on Spacey's Wikipedia page. Quite hypocritical now.

brooke 2

anna080 wrote: »

Spacey's statement is fcuking bizarre. "I don't remember that- whoops". Pretty much sums up the first paragraph.
But it the next paragraph that's a real head scratcher- this story has encouraged me to address other things about my life.....
Did he just make a connection between supposed paedophelia and homosexuality? Wtf.
I chose to live as a gay man. I want to deal with this openly and honestly and that starts with explaining my own behavour ...
You mean explaining the fact you don't remember seducing a 14 year old? Yea being gay doesn't explain that.

It does seem like he is conflating the two.

marklazarcovic

He was hoping for protection from the gay rights groups perhaps, it was hardly a secret he was gay, but there are many 'stories' about him for years if you Google it.

brooke 2

Billy86 wrote: »

I don't think it's quite as savvy as he would have hoped. I just read it now, put 'Kevin spacey' into google on the mobile and about 80-90% of the results had 14 year old or something to that effect in the title.

Some very unsavoury stuff out there about him for a long time. There was a dig at Spacey's activities in 'Family Guy' a few years ago when one of the characters rushed in, saying he 'had just escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement!'

The writer of 'Family Guy' is Seth McFarland, the same guy who 'joked' at the Oscars some time ago, when the five female nominees for best actress were named, that they 'would not have to pretend to find Harvey Weinstein attractive anymore'. McFarland subsequently said that he was not joking, but was really angry, as a friend of his had recently told him that Weinstein had assaulted her.

brooke 2

suicide_circus wrote: »

Probably paederast rather than paedophile

Corey Haim was first raped when he was eleven, by a paedophile.

brooke 2

blinding wrote: »

Is that Prince Andrew’s friend and wasn’t there some rumours of underage girls there also .

Clinton and Trump were also passengers on Lolita Airways.

brooke 2

_Dara_ wrote: »

A good move - are you mad? His statement reads as conflating homosexuality with sexual deviance, feeding into homophobic prejudice. A few kiss and tells might come out? Big fucking deal. He’s a thick-skinned celebrity. Trying to explain away his actions by coming out is sickening and is in the same arena as Weinstein trying to engender sympathy for himself instead of his victims.

Someone questioning recently why nobody is outing the paedophiles in Hollywood received the answer that it may be because, as so many in the industry are gay, they might be afraid of a backlash to the community as some people might conflate paedophiles with gays. It looks like this is what one of their own, Kevin Spacey, has just done!

brooke 2

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Jaysus.


https://twitter.com/Rosie/status/924979615294214144

Good on her!

BillyBobBS

brooke 2 wrote: »

Clinton and Trump were also passengers on Lolita Airways.

Have heard the stories about Clinton for years but never heard anything about Trump being a regular? Clinton is a known sexual predator though so i well believe some of the charges thrown at him from various women.

brooke 2

strandroad wrote: »

There probably is. That Kevin Spacey is gay was known long ago and not the issue as such, but there were also stories like these:
http://defamer.gawker.com/people-keep-telling-us-about-kevin-spacey-s-aggressive-1686507320
Basically he was not only cruising or partying, but he would go after people on set and get them fired if they wouldn't respond.

He was a nasty piece of work. Apparently known as Space Monster. :mad:

strandroad

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Have heard the stories about Clinton for years but never heard anything about Trump being a regular? Clinton is a known sexual predator though so i well believe some of the charges thrown at him from various women.

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York magazine in a 2002 profile of Epstein written three years before Epstein began to be investigated. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
...
Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, testified in 2009 that Trump flew on Jeffrey's private jet at least once. Meanwhile, message pads [see below] from Epstein's Palm Beach mansion that were seized by investigators and obtained by VICE News indicate that Trump called Epstein twice in November of 2004.
...
Garten said Trump had never been to Epstein's home. But a 2002 story in Vanity Fair listed Trump as one of a small group of mega-rich businessmen, including newspaper publisher Mort Zuckerman and Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, who periodically dined with Epstein at his Palm Beach estate. And a 2003 story in New York reported that Trump had dined at Epstein's Upper East Side home, a nine-story building that is reportedly the largest private residence in Manhattan.
...
During this same period, Epstein and Maxwell were repeat guests at Mar-A-Lago. In 2000, they hung out there with Prince Andrew, who arrived for vacation on Trump's private plane. That same year, the Palm Beach Post reported that Trump, Epstein, Prince Andrew, and Maxwell were all at a tennis tournament/celebrity event at Mar-A-Lago.

More here:
https://news.vice.com/article/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983

brooke 2

marklazarcovic wrote: »

He was hoping for protection from the gay rights groups perhaps, it was hardly a secret he was gay, but there are many 'stories' about him for years if you Google it.

GLAAD has castigated Spacey for trying to deflect from Anthony Rapp's accusation of him by coming out as gay.

Wibbs

brooke 2 wrote: »

GLAAD has castigated Spacey for trying to deflect from Anthony Rapp's accusation of him by coming out as gay.

And dead bloody right they are too. The deflection is bad enough, but since he is gay, surely he would be well aware that conflating his sexuality and an "incident" with basically a child would feed the prejudice against gay men that conflates them with being kiddie fiddlers? So he's either thick as two short planks(like Ms Streep. Who is keeping her head down). Or he gives not a tinkers curse but for to save his own skin.

The kicker for this is all those men and women who work in the film business(and other media) who are in it for the craft and career and who aren't utter bloody ****. Which would be the vast majority. And they are now going to be looked at with some suspicion, which is wrong. But any business that has so many oft desperate hopefuls trying to get in will nigh on guarantee that predators of all types will gravitate towards such an environment.

mikeysmith

It's all coming out now in the daily mail

Spacey's father was a natzi paedophile rapist

RabbleRouser2k

mikeysmith wrote: »

It's all coming out now in the daily mail

Spacey's father was a natzi paedophile rapist

That's been known for well over a 2 or 3 decades-about his dad I mean. It's why Spacey doesn't use his real surname, using his mom's maiden name instead. He's always tried to disassociate himself from it.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-dont-know-many-who-dont-have-a-kevin-spacey-story-irish-comedian-weighs-in-on-allegations-36273752.html

Aisling Bea weighing in-she notes how 'everyone' had a Spacey story-about Kev, I mean, no 'Irish Weinstein' crud, it was about him, not about anyone else.

And a reporter has also weighed in. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5031097/Kevin-Spacey-accused-assaulting-journalist-s-relative.html

Saw some people weighing in on the Spacey debacle, with the 'I'm gay, I've been drunk, it's never made me want to molest a child'.

retro:electro

Hollywood is crumbling, isn't it. Jesus, for a place that left me starry eyed as a kid, having watched every Oscars since I was a sprog, and left me thinking it was Disneyland for adults, where dreams came true- it's a fcuking cesspit. Full of shame and dirt and secrets and cover ups. More cover ups than a Maybelline billboard. What a horrible place.

RabbleRouser2k

anna080 wrote: »

Hollywood is crumbling, isn't it. Jesus, for a place that left me starry eyed as a kid, having watched every Oscars since I was a sprog, and left me thinking it was Disneyland for adults, where dreams came true- it's a fcuking cesspit. Full of shame and dirt and secrets and cover ups. More cover ups than a Maybelline billboard. What a horrible place.

It's pretty much LA confidential-which Spacey was in. But worse. And I was the same, I always watched it, as a kid. It was entertaining.

But a cesspit it was, it is, and a cesspit it always will be.

conorhal

strandroad wrote: »

There probably is. That Kevin Spacey is gay was known long ago and not the issue as such, but there were also stories like these:
http://defamer.gawker.com/people-keep-telling-us-about-kevin-spacey-s-aggressive-1686507320
Basically he was not only cruising or partying, but he would go after people on set and get them fired if they wouldn't respond.

I have a friend in the movie business that knows him well, it's common knowledge. I'd like to stress that none of the stories I've heard involved force or underage individuals or threats of being fired, but that Spacey is gay was the worst kept secret in Hollywood, as was the fact that you stayed away from Spacey's trailer if you were a young good looking male because he was 'handsy' and overly familiar. Most laughed it off as Spacey being a bit of an old queen who was a bit pushy. All of those stories in that article sound very familiar, many are a carbon copy of those I'd heard gossiped, he had a perchant for young, small town, starstruck men that he groomed with attention and invites to parties.
The current allegations though are quite disturbing.

Ipso

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It's pretty much LA confidential-which Spacey was in. But worse. And I was the same, I always watched it, as a kid. It was entertaining.

But a cesspit it was, it is, and a cesspit it always will be.

That's what I was thinking earlier, in his books the Big Nowhere and LA Confidential he makes the Hollywood class out to be degenerates and hypocrites. He also wrote some pretty slanderous type stuff about dead celebrities, I wonder who his sources are.

Outlaw Pete

My money would be on him issuing another apology only this time apologising for the timing of his "coming out" and that he just didn't want to go on 'denying his sexuality any longer' or some other similarly cliched nonsense.

Ultimately I feel he will attempt to get the public to see him at the time as being a guy in his mid 20's who was struggling with his sexuality and made a drunken mistake. I say that as I note from his statement he didn't just say that if it happened it would have been 'inappropriate behaviour' he said that if it happened it would have been 'inappropriate drunken behaviour'. So he's all primed to go down that road now I'd suggest Assuming other cases don't now follow in Weinsteinesque fashion of course.

conorhal wrote: »

I have a friend in the movie business that knows him well, it's common knowledge.

Aye and there was the following incident I posted about earlier in the thread from well over a decade ago now where he appeared to be getting quite close with some guy in a park.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

And there was this so he certainly seems to like guys but he could have been "rehearsing for a role" I suppose.

mad muffin

anna080 wrote: »

Hollywood is crumbling, isn't it. Jesus, for a place that left me starry eyed as a kid, having watched every Oscars since I was a sprog, and left me thinking it was Disneyland for adults, where dreams came true- it's a fcuking cesspit. Full of shame and dirt and secrets and cover ups. More cover ups than a Maybelline billboard. What a horrible place.

What? Hollywood has been a cesspit since it’s very beginning. Actual Hollywood has been skid row for decades now. The casting couch was invented there. Scandals have been coming out of Hollywood on a regular basis since before the talkies.

Underground

anna080 wrote: »

Hollywood is crumbling, isn't it. Jesus, for a place that left me starry eyed as a kid, having watched every Oscars since I was a sprog, and left me thinking it was Disneyland for adults, where dreams came true- it's a fcuking cesspit. Full of shame and dirt and secrets and cover ups. More cover ups than a Maybelline billboard. What a horrible place.

Rotten to the core and has been for a long time no doubt.

The Oscars takes the biscuit - these tossers take to the podium and accept their award by bloviating to the audience about some pressing issue (global warming, world hunger etc.), whilst the people they work for or maybe even the actors themselves are using their influence to sexually abuse men, women, even children. Toxic.

BillyBobBS

anna080 wrote: »

Hollywood is crumbling, isn't it. Jesus, for a place that left me starry eyed as a kid, having watched every Oscars since I was a sprog, and left me thinking it was Disneyland for adults, where dreams came true- it's a fcuking cesspit. Full of shame and dirt and secrets and cover ups. More cover ups than a Maybelline billboard. What a horrible place.

The amount of actors who stayed quiet and knew what was going on right under their noses is incredible. Clooney, Affleck, Damon to name a few. God knows what they got up to themselves tbh...